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Were the Founding Fathers actually Christians?

EatTheRich

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But who would take care of the poor if it wasn't for God blessing some people with wealth?
I'm not saying it's coherent. The New Testament was written by multiple authors with different viewpoints, and tailored to appeal to rich and poor alike. That doesn't change the fact that Jesus is unambiguously quoted telling people not to accumulate wealth, to give all they have to the poor, etc.
 

Max R.

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And by this criterion, Jefferson, who called himself a Christian because he admired Jesus's morals but denied his divinity, was not a Christian.
Only to Christians who believe in the Trinity. Something not spelled out in the Bible and which there are contrary passages against it such as:

Matthew 26:39
Going a little farther, he fell with his face to the ground and prayed, "My Father, if it is possible, may this cup be taken from me. Yet not as I will, but as you will."

Unless Jesus was schizo or enjoyed talking to himself, clearly Jesus and God are two distinct entities.
 

Constitutional Sheepdog

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I'm not saying it's coherent. The New Testament was written by multiple authors with different viewpoints, and tailored to appeal to rich and poor alike. That doesn't change the fact that Jesus is unambiguously quoted telling people not to accumulate wealth, to give all they have to the poor, etc.
Jesus hung around the rich
 

Constitutional Sheepdog

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Understood since he was the one who was raised from the dead, but where does it say he was rich? Chapter and verse, please.
He had a party the night Mary anointed Jesus's feet with oil. Poor people didn't wouldn't have the dinner party much less use oil to wash someone's feet during that period of time.
 

Max R.

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He had a party the night Mary anointed Jesus's feet with oil. Poor people didn't wouldn't have the dinner party much less use oil to wash someone's feet during that period of time.
Do you admit there is no specific reference, only an inference on your part?

Do you believe there was no Middle/Merchant class at the time? That people were either wildly rich or dirt poor then?
 

Constitutional Sheepdog

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Do you admit there is no specific reference, only an inference on your part?

Do you believe there was no Middle/Merchant class at the time? That people were either wildly rich or dirt poor then?
Poor people didn't have dinner party's nor did they have a tomb, poor people wouldn't waste money on expensive oil
 

Max R.

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Poor people didn't have dinner party's nor did they have a tomb, poor people wouldn't waste money on expensive oil
Correct, but merchants did. Not necessarily "rich" men. The fact remains the Bible doesn't say if Lazarus was rich. It's just obvious he wasn't dirt poor.
 

EatTheRich

President
Poor people didn't have dinner party's nor did they have a tomb, poor people wouldn't waste money on expensive oil
Jesus specifically commanded his followers to invite the poor, not the rich and famous, to their own parties. While this Lazarus and his sisters may have been better off, from the clues you mention, the oil was actually purchased from the disciples' communal fund, hence Judas Iscariot's rebuke of Jesus for not spending the funds on the poor.
 
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Constitutional Sheepdog

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Jesus specifically commanded his followers to invite the poor, not the rich and famous, to their own parties. While this Lazarus and his sister's may have been better off, from the clues you mention, the oil was actually purchased from the disciples' communal fund, hence Judas Iscariot's rebuke of Jesus for not spending the funds on the poor.
His followers were the rich so they could feed the poor. The poor cannot feed the poor.
 

EatTheRich

President
His followers were the rich so they could feed the poor. The poor cannot feed the poor.
Christianity involved rich people even in the days when "Peter" and "Paul" were telling slaves to obey their masters, even the cruel and evil ones, just as they would obey Christ. But in its earliest days, and even later in some parts of the world, it appealed mostly to the rabble. The ones who hoped for, and sometimes received, the charity of the rich.
 
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