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No 2A right to carry concealed

EatTheRich

President
Stay away from town or don't act like a thug and I will not shoot your ass. It's just that simple.
I wasn't talking to you, but would you agree that taking guns where the private property oqner does not welcome them and where you have no need for them is an example of acting like a thug?
 
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EatTheRich

President
The Constitution Does Not Protect Us

Open carry scares law-abiding citizens. Concealed carry scares criminals, who will never know if their intended victim can shoot them dead. Which brings up a more important problem: if the criminal knows that his victim will be afraid to fire the gun, he will ignore that threat. The fact that he was acquitted should not be taken as making it safe for others; he never should have been charged in the first place. The first police action was to refuse to press charges and let him go immediately. Only then was the public protected from criminals, who are the enemies of the human race.
If it's really self-defense, the threat of legal redress isn't going to make you afraid to fire a gun. If it isn't, you're the criminal.
 

EatTheRich

President
Perhaps you should run to your safe space if you don't like the truth.
Let's try this again. I am saying that bringing a gun onto another person's property, when I have explicitly been refused permission, for no reason other than to assert my right to have a gun anywhere I want, is acting like a thug. Do you agree or not?
 

Constitutional Sheepdog

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Let's try this again. I am saying that bringing a gun onto another person's property, when I have explicitly been refused permission, for no reason other than to assert my right to have a gun anywhere I want, is acting like a thug. Do you agree or not?
How are you going to stop me? How do you stop anyone with a gun if you don't have one also?
 

JackDallas

Senator
Supporting Member
Let's try this again. I am saying that bringing a gun onto another person's property, when I have explicitly been refused permission, for no reason other than to assert my right to have a gun anywhere I want, is acting like a thug. Do you agree or not?
If you are told, specifically, by a business, or a homeowner, that you cannot carry a weapon on their property then it is illegal to do so. If a business has a generic sign (gun with slash through it) then you can ignore it. If they have the 30.06 or the 30.07 posted then it is a felony to ignore them. If you are concealed carrying then, in theory, they have no way of knowing you have a gun on you unless you do something stupid. I'm speaking for Texas. I don't know what other states might require.
 
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JackDallas

Senator
Supporting Member
we dont disagree on anything here...

i have owned and carried dozens of firearms in my life...i ask no permission nor seek no counseling...i regularly take one into places that have signs prohibiting them,,thats their choice,,its my choice to ignore them...fact is,,they will never know...my choice trumps theirs EVERY SINGLE TIME...they may THINK they have the right to do so, and the government may have laws attesting to that,,,,but i KNOW i have a god-given right to self protection...nobody taught me i have that right,,,ITS INSTINCTIVE IN EVERY LIVING CREATURE..corner a rat and see what it does,,it will go after you like a demon on fire...

yes,,the 2nd has been weakened and is under constant attack by those that wish to enslave us..
for some illogical reason they want men with guns to take away other mens guns...and then go on to illogically think its all ABOUT the gun...

IT-IS-NOT...

btw,,,as stated above,,dozens of guns have passed through my hands over 50 years,,,more than i can count,,,and NOT ONE OF THEM WAS EVER REGISTERED IN MY NAME.

why?

because ITS NONE OF THE GOVERNMENTS BUSINESS what firearm i choose to use,,,and any paper trail,,is a potential hunting trail..
dont buy ammo where its recorded and NEVER use a credit/debit card for ANY gun related items purchased...
that may be difficult for some,,,but NOT for those of us who grew up with them around...

NEVER SUBMIT,,NEVER COMPLY...

its better to die on your feet than kneeling..
I typically do not frequent any business that does not permit concealed carry (if they have proper signage). My gun goes where my wallet goes.
 

trapdoor

Governor
The case of Peruta V San Diego, as now confirmed via the 9h Circuit, states specifically you do not have a 2A right to carry a concealed weapon.
The en banc court affirmed the district courts’ judgments
and held that there is no Second Amendment right for
members of the general public to carry concealed firearms in
public.

The opinion also states that a "good cause" policy via local sheriffs policy to issue CCW permits isn't unconstitutional.

http://michellawyers.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/Peruta-v.-County-of-San-Diego_Ninth-Circuit-Opinion.pdf

The right of a member of the general public to carry a concealed firearm in public is not, and never has been, protected by the Second Amendment.

This article makes clear how the court determined the issue, specifically starting on page 23 of the opinion History relevant to the 2A: http://www.theatlantic.com/news/archive/2016/06/ninth-circuit-peruta-ruling/486446/


In his 52-page majority opinion in Peruta v. County of San Diego, Judge William Fletcher laid out an exhaustive history of British and American laws prohibiting concealed weapons, tracing a continuous thread from a decree by Edward I to his sheriffs in 1299 to a series of state supreme-court decisions in the 19th century.

“Based on the overwhelming consensus of historical sources, we conclude that the protection of the Second Amendment—whatever the scope of that protection may be—simply does not extend to the carrying of concealed firearms in public by members of the general public,” Fletcher wrote.

The 7-4 ruling upheld California’s broad restrictions on concealed-carry use in their entirety.​

This opinion is limited to only the 9th district insofar as it only effects California and Hawaii, as the other states in the district don't have a "good cause" policy or they already allow for concealed carry without a permit.

How will this effect other Circuit Districts and ultimately, if it were ever to reach SCOTUS, effect the debate of concealed carry nationwide?

What we do know is that we have a civil right to posses and openly carry weapons within the confines of our states regulations and to carry any way we choose within the confines of our own personal property. We know that the ability to own or posses a weapon is nothing more than a civil right, it is in no possible way an "unalienable right" as some "advocate". :rolleyes:
Basically, the argument is moot. Concealed carry is legal in all 50 states. This ruling will only apply in the activist 9th Circuit, and then only until another circuit rules the other way. There is little chance SCOTUS will take this view.

Interesting fact, however. At one time in South Africa you could carry a gun anywhere you wanted -- as long as it was concealed. Carrying unconcealed was considered to be an attempt to provoke.
 

JackDallas

Senator
Supporting Member
Basically, the argument is moot. Concealed carry is legal in all 50 states. This ruling will only apply in the activist 9th Circuit, and then only until another circuit rules the other way. There is little chance SCOTUS will take this view.

Interesting fact, however. At one time in South Africa you could carry a gun anywhere you wanted -- as long as it was concealed. Carrying unconcealed was considered to be an attempt to provoke.
Since Texas passed the open carry law, almost every business I walk into has the legal 30.07 signage giving notice that open carry on the premises is illegal. Very few places in Texas actually post the 30.06 signage that prevents concealed carry.
Waffle House is one, like the majority, that puts up a generic sign (gun with slash). I pay no attention to these signs. Now, if they know you are carrying (how would they know?) they can advise you that they do not permit it and you have to either refrain from carrying, in their place, or go to a restaurant, not managed by Liberal pussies, to get a waffle.
 

sear

Mayor
"That's just recklessness. Nobody wants to take away your rights, but Johnny Cash sang, "Don't Take Your Guns to Town" for a reason." ER #20
Kudos to Mr. Cash.

BUT !!

Neither the word Johnny, nor the word Cash appear in our Bill of Right's second article.

I understand.

Style can be substance.

A reckless drunk licensed to carry concealed can be a severe danger to those around him if he handles a loaded gun improperly or inappropriately.

Conversely, a sober, conservative, well trained civilian could theoretically carry concealed not merely safely, but benevolently; EVEN IF TECHNICALLY ILLEGALLY.

A license to carry is not a license to shoot up the town.

Prudence is required.
And the solemnity of the responsibility of packin' heat is proportional to the awesome power it provides.
It is the responsibility of the one that carries it to insure that the power is used for good, or perhaps better yet, not used at all.
 

JackDallas

Senator
Supporting Member
Kudos to Mr. Cash.

BUT !!

Neither the word Johnny, nor the word Cash appear in our Bill of Right's second article.

I understand.

Style can be substance.

A reckless drunk licensed to carry concealed can be a severe danger to those around him if he handles a loaded gun improperly or inappropriately.

Conversely, a sober, conservative, well trained civilian could theoretically carry concealed not merely safely, but benevolently; EVEN IF TECHNICALLY ILLEGALLY.

A license to carry is not a license to shoot up the town.

Prudence is required.
And the solemnity of the responsibility of packin' heat is proportional to the awesome power it provides.
It is the responsibility of the one that carries it to insure that the power is used for good, or perhaps better yet, not used at all.
Democrats should not be allowed to carry weapons. They are too unstable and irresponsible.
 
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