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Republicans didn't want Dem cooperation when they tried to show TrumpCare down American's throats.

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Commentator
It was a simple question. You talk about getting his agenda done. Does tax cuts for billionaires sound like what Trump voters around the country were interested in ? You defend him. How high up on your list is that issue versus others ?
I defended what? Tax cuts for billionaires? funny, I don't remember making that post.

I don't even know what you are talking about. Cutting red tape that doesn't bring in revenue is not a tax break.
 

Spamature

President
I defended what? Tax cuts for billionaires? funny, I don't remember making that post.

I don't even know what you are talking about. Cutting red tape that doesn't bring in revenue is not a tax break.
Cutting red tape ? I am sure the vaults down in the treasury are held closed with more than just tape. I suspect the Trumpies have a diamond drill on hand and blow torches ready for the heist.

When are you going to get it. This guy is a criminal scam artist. He will tell you anything to get you in and out the door. After that he totally forgets about you just like all the other chumps he's taken for a ride. So as long as you continue to spout his talking points. Yes you are a Trump defender.
 

Drumcollie

* See DC's list of Kook posters*
Let's get something straight. NO ! Not one Dem will sign on to your evil plans if they want to keep their seat. Real America is PISSED ! Trumpsterism has failed you on healthcare. It was all alt facts all along. Do not expect Democratic Party to lower itself down into the GOP pig sty and wallow along side Republicans in their filth lies. In fact once there is an independent investigation into you traitorous leadership gets started. The intention is to drive your lying failures from office right into a row of jail cells.

Wise up ! Since ObamaCare is the only game in town. You gopers need to wake up for your own sake and side with your fellow countrymen. Because they are the only real political party in this country right now the party that can actually get things done. It is NOT the party who from top to bottom are incompetent pretenders that brag about everything while delivering nothing.
Is this real America the same one that claims Hillary had a 10 point margin for victory?

I think you have lost your mind...real America is the one whop has to pay for Obama's schemes he called healthcare. Since Obamacare is so good you should quit what you have and sign up.
 

Drumcollie

* See DC's list of Kook posters*
It was a simple question. You talk about getting his agenda done. Does tax cuts for billionaires sound like what Trump voters around the country were interested in ? You defend him. How high up on your list is that issue versus others ?
Only for people who want to help America grow. Leftist don't want you to become billionaires...success is only for the few chosen by lefty.
 

Days

Commentator
Cutting red tape ? I am sure the vaults down in the treasury are held closed with more than just tape. I suspect the Trumpies have a diamond drill on hand and blow torches ready for the heist.

When are you going to get it. This guy is a criminal scam artist. He will tell you anything to get you in and out the door. After that he totally forgets about you just like all the other chumps he's taken for a ride. So as long as you continue to spout his talking points. Yes you are a Trump defender.
More like, you are a Trump attacker. And you make wild ass statements that are often totally ridiculous. And when you get brought back to earth, you label the correction "a Trump defender"... the forum was built for discussion SPAM, but all you want is a pedestal to piss on Trump, all day, every day.

Trump ran on jobs, not fixing the ACA. The Repubs were all going to fix the ACA, Trump was just going to sign it into law, but they failed to deliver. Why can't you be honest, do you think we are stupid?

THIS is what Trump promised...

Trump taps Kushner to lead a SWAT team to fix government with business ideas (Link)
 

EatTheRich

President
I think if Trump supports progressive policy agendas (on health care, taxes, or whatever) the Democrats should support them. TrumpCare was not that.
 

EatTheRich

President
Is this real America the same one that claims Hillary had a 10 point margin for victory?

I think you have lost your mind...real America is the one whop has to pay for Obama's schemes he called healthcare. Since Obamacare is so good you should quit what you have and sign up.
Obamacare is not a specific insurance plan, it is a nickname for a law regulating the insurance industry. Everyone in the U.S. has Obamacare. You have Obamacare.
 

Spamature

President
I think if Trump supports progressive policy agendas (on health care, taxes, or whatever) the Democrats should support them. TrumpCare was not that.
So that they can piss off Republicans or because it's their turn to be left hanging high and dry on false promises ?
 

EatTheRich

President
More like, you are a Trump attacker. And you make wild ass statements that are often totally ridiculous. And when you get brought back to earth, you label the correction "a Trump defender"... the forum was built for discussion SPAM, but all you want is a pedestal to piss on Trump, all day, every day.

Trump ran on jobs, not fixing the ACA. The Repubs were all going to fix the ACA, Trump was just going to sign it into law, but they failed to deliver. Why can't you be honest, do you think we are stupid?

THIS is what Trump promised...

Trump taps Kushner to lead a SWAT team to fix government with business ideas (Link)
https://www.google.com/amp/s/thinkprogress.org/amp/p/ab9500dad31e
 

Spamature

President
Because policy is more important than party rivalry.
You are trying to pretend we have a normal person running the country. We don't. Pretending this is about party rivalry and partisanship and them vs us is just playing into the lie.

The Dems would have no more assurance than the Republicans do that Trump will remain faithful to any position than the posters here had that Trump would not lie to them for just one day or even on any given day of the week.

This is not normal. The only way it becomes normal is for you to keep clearing your memory and moving the goal post from the day before. Why are people trying to normalize this ? Forever hoping Dad will give up the booze and quit beating mom and you can all be one big happy family. Stop it already.
 

EatTheRich

President
You are trying to pretend we have a normal person running the country. We don't. Pretending this is about party rivalry and partisanship and them vs us is just playing into the lie.

The Dems would have no more assurance than the Republicans do that Trump will remain faithful to any position than the posters here had that Trump would not lie to them for just one day or even on any given day of the week.

This is not normal. The only way it becomes normal is for you to keep clearing your memory and moving the goal post from the day before. Why are people trying to normalize this ? Forever hoping Dad will give up the booze and quit beating mom and you can all be one big happy family. Stop it already.
Unless you want to claim he is literally rewriting the laws after he signs them, that's irrelevant to someone in Congress voting for or against certain legislation. Certainly everyone should be on the lookout for efforts to out maneuver them in committee and with parliamentary procedure. But I'm talking about for example if Trump were to propose expanding Medicare/Medicaid, or cutting the gas tax, both things that are at least plausible. Should the congressional left put Trump on the workers' side and themselves on the opposite side, perhaps dooming ameliorative measures to defeat, just to spite him?
 

Spamature

President
Unless you want to claim he is literally rewriting the laws after he signs them, that's irrelevant to someone in Congress voting for or against certain legislation. Certainly everyone should be on the lookout for efforts to out maneuver them in committee and with parliamentary procedure. But I'm talking about for example if Trump were to propose expanding Medicare/Medicaid, or cutting the gas tax, both things that are at least plausible. Should the congressional left put Trump on the workers' side and themselves on the opposite side, perhaps dooming ameliorative measures to defeat, just to spite him?
All that would do is drain momentum from the Dems and split its legislators from it voters. They would waste what ever capital their base has given them if he sucks them in and then turns around and changes his mind. Schumer is right when he says the Dems will listen but on HCR the GOP is on its own. You are asking them to put it all on Trump. Please help me understand why in the world they should do that ?
 

EatTheRich

President
All that would do is drain momentum from the Dems and split its legislators from it voters. They would waste what ever capital their base has given them if he sucks them in and then turns around and changes his mind. Schumer is right when he says the Dems will listen but on HCR the GOP is on its own. You are asking them to put it all on Trump. Please help me understand why in the world they should do that ?
I don't think that. I think they should call his bluff by proposing Medicare for all (a plan that meets his sstated goals of increasing coverage and reducing Costs) , and challenging Trump to come out for or against it.
 

Spamature

President
I don't think that. I think they should call his bluff by proposing Medicare for all (a plan that meets his sstated goals of increasing coverage and reducing Costs) , and challenging Trump to come out for or against it.
What difference does it make. He can come out for it and change his mind the next day. Who do you think has more to lose from that ? Who's back into a corner now and has to prove they are serious about working with the other side.

Why not just have Trump really make them look like complete idiots ? Just have him throw a wallet on the ground with a fishing line attached to it and have the Dems continue to bend down and pick it up each time Trump yanks it away. Because that is how foolish they will look if they try to build a foundation on the shifting sands of Trump's word.

They will only lose by trying to normalize him.
 
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EatTheRich

President
Don't be silly, Trump said that he would sign the bill into law, he never said he would be writing the bill; that's the job of Congress. Congress never sent him a bill to sign.
So your defense is that Trump is impotent politically?
 

EatTheRich

President
What difference does it make. He can come out for it and chance his mind the next day. Who do you think has more to lose from that ? Who's back into a corner now and has to prove they are serious about working with the other side.

Why not just have Trump really make them look like complete idiots ? Just have him throw a wallet on the ground with a fishing line attached to it and have the Dems continue to bend down and pick it up each time Trump yanks it away. Because that is how foolish they will look if they try to build a foundation on the shifting sands of Trump's word.

They will only lose by trying to normalize him.
What differentiates him from a "normal" president? Lying? Ask LBJ or Nixon about that. Incompetence? Let's see if he can outdo Reagan or Dubya. Autocratic disregard for constitutional restraint? Par for the course with Bush/Obama. Casual racism? Was Reagan really worse, much less someone like Jackson? Sexual assault? Thomas Jefferson knew a thing or two about that. Conspiring with foreign powers against the U.S. to win election? Nixon and Reagan already did the same.
 
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