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The countless flip-flops of Donald Trump...

Bugsy McGurk

President
Of course they don't care. They don't support him because of POLICY. That's why they can be equally supportive when he's saying China is a currency manipulator and when he's saying it isn't; when he's attacking Yellen or when he's praising her; when he's calling for higher taxes on the rich, or when he's proposing massive tax cuts for him; when he's saying trans people should be able to use the bathrooms of their choice, or when he's again making it criminal for them to do so. The POLICY is beside the point. What they care about is whether he channels their hatred of liberals, black people, Hispanics, immigrants, Muslims and the others they love to oppose. It's pure tribalism, and as long as he is an able leader of his tribe's Two Minutes Hate, they'll support him.

Well said. It's all about fear and loathing, and boosting the GOP cult. Trump's ever-changing statements and actions don't bother them. They don't even seem to notice. Trump wears the "R". That's all that matters.
 

JackDallas

Senator
Supporting Member
Your mental acuity is heading downhill, uh...exponentially. You seem unaware that the President has powers, so you ask a stupid question indicating that you have no idea what the President does.

Oddly enough, you also seem to stand in support of the same Congress that "allowed" Obama to get away with this so called "illegality" for 8 years...and no one stopped him. Not Ryan, not Chaffetz...no one. This is yet another post that shows how far down the drain you've flowed, how little reality means to you.

I know the numbers, therefore, I do not operate in an illusionary realm. The election was close. No, not a dead tie as a few have been...and no one made such a claim; just that the 2016 election was one of the narrower victories in re: the EC...and the absolute worst performance by a victorious candidate in the popular vote. Cling to the word massive if you must, but it merely indicates the level of delusion under which you exist.

Trump remains highly unpopular and spends government money on his personal life like no President previously. No matter, you'll support him...even if you too flip flop policy you once supported.
If you're trying to hurt my feelings, you're wasting your time. Your lies have become your trademark, and your posts redundant and boring.
 

EatTheRich

President
Democrats do not engage in voter suppression, they engage in voter fraud.
Probably, but certainly not on anywhere near the scale Republicans like to insinuate, and with far less effect on electoral outcomes than the Republican-led widespread voter suppression.
 

EatTheRich

President
O'Reilly was way too soft on Obama to be our biggest mouth. Hannity is a far better supporter of American values. Rush Limbaugh is better than O'Reilly, anyway.
You would probably relieve a lot of stress on yourself if you would give up your illusion that Trump didn't win a massive victory and mandate. If he didn't win a great mandate, to erase every illegal act created by Obama, then why is no one stopping him from doing that very thing?
He barely won. What "illegal any created by Obama" has he erased.
 

EatTheRich

President
Of course they don't care. They don't support him because of POLICY. That's why they can be equally supportive when he's saying China is a currency manipulator and when he's saying it isn't; when he's attacking Yellen or when he's praising her; when he's calling for higher taxes on the rich, or when he's proposing massive tax cuts for him; when he's saying trans people should be able to use the bathrooms of their choice, or when he's again making it criminal for them to do so. The POLICY is beside the point. What they care about is whether he channels their hatred of liberals, black people, Hispanics, immigrants, Muslims and the others they love to oppose. It's pure tribalism, and as long as he is an able leader of his tribe's Two Minutes Hate, they'll support him.

Trump is carefully to appease each shifting interest under his big tent, though, especially right after doing something to let them down. It's not just about resentment ... it is about policy ... but the lack of a definite policy trajectory can be to his advantage because it allows everyone to think that--whatever compromises are forced on him by the "real" enemy he identifies for each side (which might be Muslims but could also be liberals, Wall Street, the FBI, or the House Freedom Caucus)--he really wants to support them and will help them out again once the political climate warms.
 

EatTheRich

President
Well said. It's all about fear and loathing, and boosting the GOP cult. Trump's ever-changing statements and actions don't bother them. They don't even seem to notice. Trump wears the "R". That's all that matters.
Yet he ran against the Republican Party and much of what it's stood for for 60 years ... and that's what a lot of people see in him. Trump, much more than Barack "Hope and Change" Obama, is a blank slate on which any agenda whatsoever can be projected ... as long as that means destroying one special interest for the sake of another. His supporters are just gambling that they'll be on the top of the dog pile when all's said and done.
 

Arkady

President
Trump is carefully to appease each shifting interest under his big tent, though, especially right after doing something to let them down. It's not just about resentment ... it is about policy ... but the lack of a definite policy trajectory can be to his advantage because it allows everyone to think that--whatever compromises are forced on him by the "real" enemy he identifies for each side (which might be Muslims but could also be liberals, Wall Street, the FBI, or the House Freedom Caucus)--he really wants to support them and will help them out again once the political climate warms.
We certainly saw that in the campaign. I wonder how much of that is a deliberately thought out strategy, and how much is just a con man's reflexive desire to say whatever his current audience wants to hear.
 

Arkady

President
Yet he ran against the Republican Party and much of what it's stood for for 60 years ... and that's what a lot of people see in him. Trump, much more than Barack "Hope and Change" Obama, is a blank slate on which any agenda whatsoever can be projected ... as long as that means destroying one special interest for the sake of another. His supporters are just gambling that they'll be on the top of the dog pile when all's said and done.
He didn't run against the Republican Party. Clinton did. Trump ran for the GOP.
 

Bugsy McGurk

President
Yet he ran against the Republican Party and much of what it's stood for for 60 years ... and that's what a lot of people see in him. Trump, much more than Barack "Hope and Change" Obama, is a blank slate on which any agenda whatsoever can be projected ... as long as that means destroying one special interest for the sake of another. His supporters are just gambling that they'll be on the top of the dog pile when all's said and done.
Trump ran "against the Republican Party"?

One of the daffiest things I've ever seen written.
 

EatTheRich

President
He didn't run against the Republican Party. Clinton did. Trump ran for the GOP.
Fair enough. I just meant that he ran against Bush/Rubio/Kasich and their traditional republican positions ("free trade"/"family values"/patriotism / financial deregulation)
 

JackDallas

Senator
Supporting Member
This is a list of orders by Trump, some of which are illegal and some of which repeal legal executive orders by Obama. Which illegal orders by Obama did he repeal?
I had no expectation that you actually wanted proof of Obama's crimes, when you asked for it.
 

Bugsy McGurk

President
I don't care who shares that "assessment" - it's still baseless. Trump and the GOP are in lockstep.

If your point is that Trump pretended to be "something new" when it comes to policy, I would agree with that. He's the ultimate conman, and he always says whatever he thinks advances his cause in the moment, without regard to truth, and without regard to whether he believes it. For example, he claimed he was going to "drain the swamp" of people like DC lobbyists and bankers, and then he stocked his adminstration with more of the worst swamp creatures in the nation.

Hillary ran against the GOP. Trump ran for the GOP nomination and, upon securing it, the GOP supported him just as they do with any GOP candidate. And now Trump and the GOP March in lockstep. You seem to have been misled by his flim-flam tactics, thinking he ran against the GOP, but he's no different than the rest of them, with the exception of his unique set of mental disorders.
 

Arkady

President
Fair enough. I just meant that he ran against Bush/Rubio/Kasich and their traditional republican positions ("free trade"/"family values"/patriotism / financial deregulation)
It's hard to say what he ran for or against, since he was all over the board. The only consistent themes were that minorities suck, Donald Trump is awesome, and Barrack Obama was a disaster. When it came to actual policies, he'd take diametrically opposed positions (e.g., saying the wealthy were under-taxed then proposing an enormous tax cut for them). It's true that at various points he was basically running against traditional GOP positions. But what we ended up with is more or less a standard-issue Republican, who favors deregulation, hostility towards the LGBT community, lower taxes on the rich, radical roll back of social programs, Federalist Society judiciary, vast military overspend, aggressive use of the military abroad, and stocking the administration with Goldman Sachs alumni. He's less coded in his racism than a typical Republican, and a whole lot more vulgar and shamelessly egotistical, but take away the presentation, and so far I could picture Ted Cruz, John McCain, Mitt Romney, or any number of other mainline Republicans making the same policy choices.
 
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