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Raoul_Luke

I feel a bit lightheaded. Maybe you should drive.
It's a reasonable assumption based on the available evidence. Our socioeconomic system and settlement patterns are optimized for a particular climate pattern. The faster the climate changes, the more stranded infrastructure, sub-optimal economic configurations, and out-of-position population clusters we're likely to see. Duh.

As for a local drought, that's obviously a vastly different matter than global warming. It's hilarious that right-wingers keep making that same basic category error.
Yeah, just like the "reasonable assumption" that Hillary was going to win.

The idea that climate and weather are two completely disparate concepts is a canard. Weather is climate and climate is weather. They are, in fact, one and the same.
 

Arkady

President
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The idea that climate and weather are two completely disparate concepts is a canard.
So why are you raising it? I've certainly never heard anyone here make that claim before. Weather and climate, obviously, are different but related things. Weather is a part of climate.
 

Raoul_Luke

I feel a bit lightheaded. Maybe you should drive.
Because the difference in revenue would be miles apart. If I said let's end the earned income credit and instead implement universal income or universal healthcare would you take that deal ?
Of course not. What's in it for me? I don't much care for any of those. See, the way deals work is you have to give me something I want (an end to job killing corporate taxes) and I give you something you want (a stiff tax on the use of carbon based fuel that instantly evens up the field for alternative energy sources). It's a win win. But, naturally, the left will have none of it. Corporate taxes bring in about $350 billion. A carbon tax is estimated to pull in about $120 billion (but that's an inefficient cap and trade system that leaves corporate tax rates intact - a straight up carbon tax could easily bring in twice that). The rest you would easily make up in additional income taxes because of the explosion of jobs that policy would almost certainly produce. And, as a bonus, the additional wage taxes would shore up the bankrupt old age entitlements. What's not to like? Well I guess you'd have to answer that, because I can't think of anything...
 

Raoul_Luke

I feel a bit lightheaded. Maybe you should drive.
So why are you raising it? I've certainly never heard anyone here make that claim before. Weather and climate, obviously, are different but related things. Weather is a part of climate.
Climate is the sum of weather. They aren't "different" any more than 100 cents is "different" from a dollar.
 

Spamature

President
Of course not. What's in it for me? I don't much care for any of those. See, the way deals work is you have to give me something I want (an end to job killing corporate taxes) and I give you something you want (a stiff tax on the use of carbon based fuel that instantly evens up the field for alternative energy sources). It's a win win. But, naturally, the left will have none of it. Corporate taxes bring in about $350 billion. A carbon tax is estimated to pull in about $120 billion (but that's an inefficient cap and trade system that leaves corporate tax rates intact - a straight up carbon tax could easily bring in twice that). The rest you would easily make up in additional income taxes because of the explosion of jobs that policy would almost certainly produce. And, as a bonus, the additional wage taxes would shore up the bankrupt old age entitlements. What's not to like? Well I guess you'd have to answer that, because I can't think of anything...
I already told you. I believe its too late. So a carbon tax is like trying to close the barn door after the horse run off. There is a built job creation scheme that comes with taxes, making hiring people with the money a better deal than trying to keep the money.
 

EatTheRich

President
The Trump team is working on this existential threat, amping up the burning of coal and other fossil fuels, disabling the EPA, forbidding climate change research, and terminating global warming pacts with the world community.
Paul LePage says the ice caps are melting which is great news because it means you can run an oil pipeline through the Northwest Passage.
 

EatTheRich

President
Agreed, but I don't think it will take 100 years to reach that conclusion. The harmful effects are occurring already and they are increasing at an exponential rate. The seizing of complete power by Trump and the GOP was the death blow for the planet.
Neither Trump nor the GOP have absolute power.
Trump's power is not automatically the GOP's.
Trump/GOP power is not automatically power for Big Oil/Coal.

Besides, the mass death he is setting us up for will reduce carbon emissions.
 

EatTheRich

President
It warms my heart to know that a million years from now the Earth will be a verdant green paradise again.

And man will be nowhere to be seen.

This is why 'global warming' doesn't matter. Nothing we do on this Earth matters. Eventually, through one mechanism or another, Man will go extinct and the Earth will go on.

Until the Sun explodes in a few billion years, that is.
It matters in a humanist sense.
 

EatTheRich

President
Sorry, the ten years Al Gore gave us to fix it are up already. We're doomed.
We're doomed to a future of mass extinction, habitat loss, climate - related health disasters, refugee crises, and wars, flooding of major coastal cities. and super-storms. But if carbon emissions are drastically cut very quickly, we may be able to preserve habitable zones in much of the world, prevent deadly acid - rain showers, maintain and increase production of nutritious food, and preserve human civilization.
 

EatTheRich

President
I'm not worried about the Earth's climate undergoing evolutionary change. It happened before we were around and will happen after mankind has gone from our allotted time here.
Not "evolutionary change." More like the sudden shift to a new equilibrium associated with major extinction events.
 

EatTheRich

President
Not to me or anyone I know. Something has to, and WILL, kill us off. It's the natural cycle. Besides, there are too many people on Earth as it is. Maybe a little Climate Armageddon is just what the doctor ordered.

You and I have little to no control over it. Sure you can turn out your lights and drive a Prius, but in the long run....it just won't matter. Those billions of people are doomed just the same.

Oh, and your parable sucks. One man can take care of a car but he can't do jack squat about the entire planet.
No, but climate change can be mitigated through a collective economic plan that cuts carbon emissions and (if feasible) sequester atmospheric carbon.
 

EatTheRich

President
That's the thing about the weather, it's always changing. You Marxists seized on that and weaved it into a narrative to support a your calls for a rejection of capitalism.
The weather has always been changing, within statistically predictable limits, for thousands of years. Now it is changing in novel, never-before-seen (or not for tens of thousands of years or more) ways, which poses (the vast majority of scientists say) a grave threat to quality of life, survival, and indeed civilization (and capitalism along with it).

The fact that capitalism is manifestly ill-equipped to address the crisis does not mean that all the scientists (going back to the discovery of the greenhouse effect in 1824) are lying or that the simple physics behind AGW is wrong.
 

EatTheRich

President
It could be some anomaly. Just because it hasn't since records have been kept doesn't mean it's not just a strange year and there is nothing more to it.

Could be. But it ain't normal is all I am saying.
When anomalies start to pile up, as predicted, it suggests there's more to it than natural variability.
 

EatTheRich

President
It could be some anomaly. Just because it hasn't since records have been kept doesn't mean it's not just a strange year and there is nothing more to it.

Could be. But it ain't normal is all I am saying.
When anomalies start to pile up, as predicted, it suggests there's more to it than natural variability.
Geez, what do you guys expect from the solar system? Do you realize that in all but this infinitesimal speck of the known universe it is incredibly harsh and unpredictably so. I even hesitated as I typed that because "incredible" doesn't even begin to describe the extremes and violent changes that are the norm throughout the cosmos. There aren't words in the English language that can begin to adequately describe what passes for "normal" everywhere but here. Why in God's name would you guys think we'd be completely immune from the kinds of extreme forces of nature that have existed throughout time and space since the big bang? It's an absurd child like ignorance you display in this matter. Just sit back and try and enjoy what little time we have left...
Conservative plan for the future: fiddle while Earth burns.
 

EatTheRich

President
I don't think we can alter the course of the climate, well, change. It's been changing since time immemorial. It was changing long before man was even extant. It was changing long before the industrial revolution. And it will be changing long after we are gone from the face of the earth. The chances are higher that we will be wiped out by a meteor in the next 500 years than that we'll be exterminated by the weather patterns changing. We're smart, and we'll adapt to it. Until the end...
Unless something means complete extermination of the human race, no caution should be advised? We shouldn't be concerned, for example, about the nuclear arms race because nuclear war probably won't kill everybody?
 

EatTheRich

President
Stop being so foolish. There's a billion things that can affect that "balance" - which means any semblance of "balance" in our climate is an illusion. The left is simply weaving an anti-capitalist narrative around a naturally occurring change in our climate.
One of the biggest effects ... overwhelming others at the present and foreseeable future unless you count the presence / absence of the sun (but counting variability in solar output) ... atmospheric composition.
 

EatTheRich

President
And I can always end the argument with a simple proposal that exposes this as the sham anti-capitalism that it has always been. Lets implement a carbon tax and use the revenues to eliminate the corporate income tax (which, lets face it, is really a tax on hiring Americans to produce economic goods and services). Every time I get into one of these discussions with one of you lefties, I throw that out there and the discussion comes to a grinding halt.
That of course means more power in the hands of the very people driving us to destruction. Why not nationalize the properties of the biggest carbon emitters thereby giving us the resources to establish a sane energy plan.
 
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