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Why do so many want another civil war in our country?

Capitalism is in deep crisis ... breeding depression, war, and tyranny ... neither liberals nor conservatives have any solution ... people across the political spectrum are turning to violence and extremism as a result.
Capitalism, imho, is facing a problem that is thousands of years old: the "magic of compound interest" ALWAYS produces debt faster than productive economies can pay it off:

http://store.counterpunch.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/Killing-The-Host_PDF_V7.pdf (P. 28)

"Driven by the mathematics of compound interest – savings lent out to grow exponentially – the overgrowth of debt is at the root of today’s economic crisis.

"Creditors make money by leaving their savings to accrue interest, doubling and redoubling their claims on the economy.

"This dynamic draws more and more control over labor, land, industry and tax revenue into the hands of creditors, concentrating property ownership and government in their hands.

"The way societies have coped with this deepening indebtedness should be the starting point of financial theorizing."
 
That's a fake news lie but keep spreading it my finger is itchy
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/u-s-voters-support-trump-impeachment-poll-shows-article-1.3173051

"The latest Public Policy Polling survey found that nearly half (48%) of Americans supported impeachment proceedings for Trump, while just 41% said they would not support them.

"That poll, like the first, was taken May 12-14, among 692 registered voters, before news emerged that Trump disclosed highly classified information to Russian diplomats and before news broke that Trump explicitly asked Comey to end the investigation into former National Security Adviser Michael Flynn before firing the now ex-FBI chief."

Conservatives and economically desperate voters put a billionaire con-man in the White House, and now the pay back is coming.

Maybe you should learn from your mistake?
 

Constitutional Sheepdog

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http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/u-s-voters-support-trump-impeachment-poll-shows-article-1.3173051

"The latest Public Policy Polling survey found that nearly half (48%) of Americans supported impeachment proceedings for Trump, while just 41% said they would not support them.

"That poll, like the first, was taken May 12-14, among 692 registered voters, before news emerged that Trump disclosed highly classified information to Russian diplomats and before news broke that Trump explicitly asked Comey to end the investigation into former National Security Adviser Michael Flynn before firing the now ex-FBI chief."

Conservatives and economically desperate voters put a billionaire con-man in the White House, and now the pay back is coming.

Maybe you should learn from your mistake?
More polls whay next Hillary is President? PPP is a liberal polling fake news
 

Arkady

President
The dividing lines are so deep and keep getting deeper. Violent 'protests' seem to be applauded rather than disparaged and criminally prosecuted. It seems like things said against Prez Trump are OK no matter how inflammatory they may be. People just shrug and say it's the American way.

People can debate differences of opinion but resorting to physically fighting each other as is happening more often is not acceptable at all. People seem to be encouraged to pick a side. There is no compromise with the other side which is what we should have. This or that and nothing else will do. People won't even listen to other possibilities.

A lot of people don't like Trump and that's OK. It doesn't matter whoever gets elected there will be large numbers of people who will not like the results. The answer is to set about using the very tools that we have to manage the change that we desire instead of trying to hurt anybody who disagrees with us.

People are just becoming so frustrated with their lives that they seem to crave some violence as an outlet. They don't seem to realize what that violence will be like when it's in their own laps.
I certainly wouldn't want another civil war. I'd imagine that anyone who has made a serious study of our last civil war, or of modern civil wars elsewhere (e.g., Syria) would say the same. There would be no winners in such a conflict.

Still, I'm not convinced that violent protests are a growing problem. I'd need to see numbers on that to be convinced. We've had violent demonstrations on a pretty regular basis as far back as I can recall. Seattle in 1999 was quite violent, with 600 arrests and $20 million in damages. NYC in 1977 was far, far worse, in term of damages -- it would have a price tag of around $1.2 billion in today's dollars. People forget about Cincinnati in 2001, but it was rough, too: $3.6 million in damage, and nearly 1000 arrested. LA in 1992 was an order of magnitude worse, with over 10,000 arrested. There were also the Occupy protests that, though remarkably peaceful on the part of the demonstrators, involved a lot of unprovoked violence by authorities. And if you go back before my time, there are a series of very violent protests in the 1960s: Watts in '65, Detroit and Newark in '67, and Chicago in '68.

That said, I suppose that even if there's not yet a clear pattern of worsening, there may be in the future. After all, twice since 2000 the American people chose one candidate to be their president and had the other candidate installed instead. People get violent when they feel non-violent paths for the redress of their grievances have been foreclosed. Since the party that got screwed in each of those elections is the party that is favored by the very people who have the least to lose in our society (the poor, minorities, and young people), we're definitely playing with fire, as a nation. What happens to a dream deferred? Does it explode?
 

4/15

Mayor
The dividing lines are so deep and keep getting deeper. Violent 'protests' seem to be applauded rather than disparaged and criminally prosecuted. It seems like things said against Prez Trump are OK no matter how inflammatory they may be. People just shrug and say it's the American way.

People can debate differences of opinion but resorting to physically fighting each other as is happening more often is not acceptable at all. People seem to be encouraged to pick a side. There is no compromise with the other side which is what we should have. This or that and nothing else will do. People won't even listen to other possibilities.

A lot of people don't like Trump and that's OK. It doesn't matter whoever gets elected there will be large numbers of people who will not like the results. The answer is to set about using the very tools that we have to manage the change that we desire instead of trying to hurt anybody who disagrees with us.

People are just becoming so frustrated with their lives that they seem to crave some violence as an outlet. They don't seem to realize what that violence will be like when it's in their own laps.
I don't believe people are frustrated with their lives as Obamas administration left us in good shape. I believe it is because the republicans were so obstructive to positive changes during Obamas term that when they now change tune it is just time to send them all to their maker.
 

Dawg

President
Supporting Member
I don't believe people are frustrated with their lives as Obamas administration left us in good shape. I believe it is because the republicans were so obstructive to positive changes during Obamas term that when they now change tune it is just time to send them all to their maker.
as dem/libs working with Trump
sending them to their maker is easy
 

Emily

NSDAP Kanzler
I don't believe people are frustrated with their lives as Obamas administration left us in good shape. I believe it is because the republicans were so obstructive to positive changes during Obamas term that when they now change tune it is just time to send them all to their maker.
Delusional ("Obamas administration left us in good shape") and violent ("it is just time to send them all to their maker") is a dangerous combination.
 
I don't doubt it. You barbaric butt-wipe-with-hand types intend to trash it until it's not fit to live here. That's what you want. Your two talents in life are trashing stuff and taking what belongs to someone else. Good luck with that.
Self-Determination for Those Genetically Determined to Destroy Us

Muslim oil is the West's intellectual property. That was our first mistake, letting them freeload off our science gave the savages contempt for us because we were such weakling pushovers (just like the nerds who let their King Ape owners have the corporate patents that only High IQs could have created).

First, that giveaway led to price-gouging through an illegal cartel and an illegal embargo. Our weakling multiculties in the government let the petropirates get away with that insulting attack, too. It has led to every recession, but other things are always blamed by the two parties collaborating with the Caliphate.

Next came terrorism, financed by the price-gouging. Against the will of the majority, the feralphile elitists who make our laws for us appeased Islam by letting in sleeper-cell immigrants as a sign of good faith. Worst of all, they declared a War on Terror instead of a War on Islam, not being able to understand that Islam is a religion of human sacrifice as mindless, subhuman, and bloodthirsty as the Mayans in Apocalypto were. But the decadent Terminal America take is that the Spaniards were equally as evil for exterminating them.
 

Constitutional Sheepdog

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Self-Determination for Those Genetically Determined to Destroy Us

Muslim oil is the West's intellectual property. That was our first mistake, letting them freeload off our science gave the savages contempt for us because we were such weakling pushovers (just like the nerds who let their King Ape owners have the corporate patents that only High IQs could have created).

First, that giveaway led to price-gouging through an illegal cartel and an illegal embargo. Our weakling multiculties in the government let the petropirates get away with that insulting attack, too. It has led to every recession, but other things are always blamed by the two parties collaborating with the Caliphate.

Next came terrorism, financed by the price-gouging. Against the will of the majority, the feralphile elitists who make our laws for us appeased Islam by letting in sleeper-cell immigrants as a sign of good faith. Worst of all, they declared a War on Terror instead of a War on Islam, not being able to understand that Islam is a religion of human sacrifice as mindless, subhuman, and bloodthirsty as the Mayans in Apocalypto were. But the decadent Terminal America take is that the Spaniards were equally as evil for exterminating them.
So you don't think capitalism didn't give you what you have today? Where do you live in a communist country?
 

Constitutional Sheepdog

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1. They are reactions to the social dislocations caused by capitalism.
2. Largely not the case. For example, al-Qaeda, founded by capitalist construction magnate Osama bin Laden, was clearly a pro-capitalist group.
That doesn't change anything the last two are anti-capitalist and capitalism gave you what you have today.
 
It's a classic example of people not knowing what they're asking for. Most of them don't even seem to realize that they are asking for it.

Unfortunately the signs are not good.
one of the best recent films to explore this theme was "live free or die hard"

Justin long had an epiphany dduring the "fire sale" when he realized millions of people were at risk and in misery.

 

EatTheRich

President
You don't have a concept what capitalism is. UTOPIA has nothing to do with capitalism and all to do with a fake narrative socialist lifestyle.
I do have a concept what capitalism is ... the rule of capital. The same definition used by Pierre-Joseph Proudhon when he coined the term and the same you used when you boasted that capitalism gives us the modern world.
 
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