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Caroljo

Senator
I don't want to rain on your semantics, but isn't that the same thing? Either way, they spied on Trump via a wire tap; so yes, they wire tapped Trump tower... via Manafort.
Exactly....they tried to get dirt on Trump through Manafort. I don't understand why they're arguing this?
 

Days

Commentator
Exactly....they tried to get dirt on Trump through Manafort. I don't understand why they're arguing this?
Because the whole collusion with the Russians gambit is a big Lie that's supposed to cover up Obama's illegal spying on the Trump campaign. So they keep pushing that Lie and pretending Obama wasn't spying. See that? wire tapping Manafort wasn't spying on Trump it was investigating non-existant collusion with the Russians to throw the election.

The whole problem with this Lie is the idea that there was anything to investigate in the first place... they keep trying to find that. Well, jesus-stupid-christopher, the whole point is, they never had it to begin with, so it was never a legal investigation, it was always illegally spying on the Trump campaign, exactly the same as what Nixon's gang did.
 

bdtex

Administrator
Staff member
I don't want to rain on your semantics, but isn't that the same thing? Either way, they spied on Trump via a wire tap; so yes, they wire tapped Trump tower... via Manafort.
The semantics is twisting wiretapping of Manafort into wiretapping of Trump. They got a a FISA warrant to tap Manafort,not Trump.
 

Jen

Senator
Because the whole collusion with the Russians gambit is a big Lie that's supposed to cover up Obama's illegal spying on the Trump campaign. So they keep pushing that Lie and pretending Obama wasn't spying. See that? wire tapping Manafort wasn't spying on Trump it was investigating non-existant collusion with the Russians to throw the election.

The whole problem with this Lie is the idea that there was anything to investigate in the first place... they keep trying to find that. Well, jesus-stupid-christopher, the whole point is, they never had it to begin with, so it was never a legal investigation, it was always illegally spying on the Trump campaign, exactly the same as what Nixon's gang did.
The question is whether or not there are too many corrupt people in the ointment to allow truth to fly free and the bad people (Obamaites) to go to prison where they belong.

None of this will land on Trump.

It's all Obama - the most corrupt administration in our lifetime including Nixon's.
 

Days

Commentator
The question is whether or not there are too many corrupt people in the ointment to allow truth to fly free and the bad people (Obamaites) to go to prison where they belong.

None of this will land on Trump.

It's all Obama - the most corrupt administration in our lifetime including Nixon's.
I said this before Obama took office for his first term. Obama plays hardball, he is a purely political animal, he is unhindered by any patriotic impulses. South side of Chicago. Hillary was northwest suburbs. very different political positions, but both are hardball.
 

EatTheRich

President
Let's see....

Maria has been a catastrophic event. Where she will eventually end up is still unknown. Prayers for all those affected by her, Irma and Harvey.

Trump has been proven right in his assertion that Trump tower was wiretapped. Boom! Hopefully all those behind this total act of malfeasance go down.

Republicans are finally getting their act together on Obama care.

Hillary's book is a failure (like her). Her "poor pitiful me" roadshow keeps chugging along, much to the chagrin of sane Dems, and delight of the GOP. She's the gift that keeps on giving.

Valerie Plame revealed herself for the anti -semite she is.

Trump knocked it out of the ballpark at the UN.

It's been a very action-packed week, all across the board.

Have a great weekend!

MAGA!!!
Manafort--who supposedly no longer had anything to do with the campaign--was wiretapped ... not by Obama but by the FBI. If a mobster who frequented Trump's casino was under FBI surveillance, would that vindicate Trump's claim too?

Clinton's book is a #1 bestseller.

Whether the Republicans have their act together politically remains to be seen ... from a policy perspective, their plan is a disaster.

I respectfully disagree with your characterization of Trump at the UN.
 

EatTheRich

President
Step back... do you think it stopped there? (really?) and do you think that calls involving Manafort and Trump were not included (with certainty)?

If people don't open their eyes to the fact our government has weaponized certain parts of its intelligence and IRS to attack political opponents then our democracy is in big trouble. Remember it is the party that holds the keys to those groups that gets to use the weapon. Are you comfortable with the GOP doing exactly what the Dems did?

Really?
So let's disband those intelligence agencies.
 

LeilaniMP

Empress
Yeah. Talked to a friend last night that I hadn't seen since before Harvey. He was without power for 17 days.
How is your friend doing now?

One of my best friends lives in Houston. She was fine throughout the storm, and aftermath. Her area never lost power, nor had any flooding. She was very lucky.

I am extremely fortunate in that I only lost power for less than two days. Sadly, there are many others who still don't have it restored.

The amount of damage is astounding. The clean-up everywhere continues.

Thankfully, the utility companies are working overtime to do everything they can to get people back up and running. (I keep a cooler with cold water in my car, and give it to those I see working).

I had very minimal damage. Having lived in south FL for so long, I do as much prep work as possible at the beginning of hurricane season, in the eventuality that a storm will hit. This year that preparation has paid off.

I cannot even begin to imagine what the people in Puerto Rico, and throughout the Caribbean, are experiencing,
 

EatTheRich

President
So the guy Manafort was talking to was tapped 'inadvertently '?

Manafort was tapped in 2015/16 on suspicion of money laundering. When nothing came of that, the wire tapping was cancelled.. only to be picked up again once he was Trump's campaign manager. Without James Clapper's knowledge, coincidentally.

Hmmmm... who, I wonder, ordered that one?
No, the second wiretap was after the Trump campaign let him go.
 

EatTheRich

President
You are parsing words here, @Arkady.
The truth is that Trump Tower was monitored and Trump's phone calls from there were gathered by the Obama administration. Before the election. Parse it any way that makes you feel good, but truth remains that there was probably some illegal phone tapping going on.
Only Trump's calls with Manafort ... as far as we know.
 

LeilaniMP

Empress
He and family are ok. House didn't flood but street did and didn't go down for a few days.
So glad they're okay! That is so scary!

Hopefully we won't get any more hurricanes this year.

The water was over the top of my seawall, and a few feet up the driveway, but my home is built higher, so it didn't get inside (it would need to rise a good 10'-12' to come near the house). As soon as the storm passed, and the tide went out, the water went down.

Have a nice night!
 
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