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OMG ! This is our POTUS. When will shame the shame over come the hate Trumpies.

EatTheRich

President
They rebelled against the idea that they should have to pay taxes, when they had no representation as to how those taxes were used.

We are certainly no person's subjects. You are free to leave. You are free to work for yourself. No one is "pressing" you into service on a ship.....
So aliens ... who are taxed but not allowed to vote ... have the same right to rebel ... as do people deprived of the vote by felon disfranchisement ... the people of Puerto Rico ... youth ...
 

EatTheRich

President
They rebelled against the idea that they should have to pay taxes, when they had no representation as to how those taxes were used.

We are certainly no person's subjects. You are free to leave. You are free to work for yourself. No one is "pressing" you into service on a ship.....
1. I'm registered for Selective Service
2. I'm not free to work for myself. Only people with capital are.
3. The people of colonial Massachusetts were free to leave as well.
 

connieb

Senator
So aliens ... who are taxed but not allowed to vote ... have the same right to rebel ... as do people deprived of the vote by felon disfranchisement ... the people of Puerto Rico ... youth ...
No, of course they don't have the right to vote. They do, however, have the right to leave. No one is making them stay and pay taxes, they are doing so by choice.

Felons, again made their choice.

I suppose they could rebel. And then we could be like Britain and kill lots of them off. You ready for that?

PR - knows where the damn door is.
 

EatTheRich

President
Do you think no one on the whole world market would sell us oil? We have - if you haven't noticed been very busy using up everyone else's and hoarding our own. I like that plan.

I am a capitalist and I know as the cost of labor rises, so does the value of other goods and services and property values. Most importantly less money out of my pocket to pay for the losers. Its not a -0- sum game.
So your fallback plan ... which turns out to be plan A ... involves depending on foreign labor to supply your oil ... just as I said.

Which is it? Are you a worker or a capitalist? Because you've said both. What is a zero - sum game is division of the total added value created by labor. The more goes to laborers, the less goes to capitalists.
 

connieb

Senator
1. I'm registered for Selective Service
2. I'm not free to work for myself. Only people with capital are.
3. The people of colonial Massachusetts were free to leave as well.
You are free to work for yourself. You can offer your services to anyone of your choice, at any rate you want, and reap all the benefits for yourself.

Good point about selective service. I believe that should be disbanded and drafts made illegal.

They were, and they decided to take the land with them. You are free to go for that as well, but it almost always ends up worse for the people on the bottom.
 

EatTheRich

President
No, of course they don't have the right to vote. They do, however, have the right to leave. No one is making them stay and pay taxes, they are doing so by choice.

Felons, again made their choice.

I suppose they could rebel. And then we could be like Britain and kill lots of them off. You ready for that?

PR - knows where the damn door is.
The U.S. doesn't respect Puerto Rico's right to independence. The colonists were also free to leave. You could also be like Britain and lose.
 

connieb

Senator
So your fallback plan ... which turns out to be plan A ... involves depending on foreign labor to supply your oil ... just as I said.

Which is it? Are you a worker or a capitalist? Because you've said both. What is a zero - sum game is division of the total added value created by labor. The more goes to laborers, the less goes to capitalists.
"Depending"... no. By choice, sure.. then we can take advantage of those who used up all theirs later.

I am a worker, who believes in capitalism. I also own rental properties and my own small business.
 

EatTheRich

President
You are free to work for yourself. You can offer your services to anyone of your choice, at any rate you want, and reap all the benefits for yourself.

Good point about selective service. I believe that should be disbanded and drafts made illegal.

They were, and they decided to take the land with them. You are free to go for that as well, but it almost always ends up worse for the people on the bottom.
1. That's not working for yourself. That's trying to work for someone else.
2. We're agreed there.
3. Thanks for the advice.
 

EatTheRich

President
"Depending"... no. By choice, sure.. then we can take advantage of those who used up all theirs later.

I am a worker, who believes in capitalism. I also own rental properties and my own small business.
I would say you're a (small) capitalist-landlord who works.

Bottom line: without foreign labor your plan won't work.
 

connieb

Senator
The U.S. puts independence supporters in prison.
Their Government which knows without the US attachment they would be just like dozens of other poor island nations, puts them in Prison. The US - really doesn't care if they go or stay. Trust me. We can put it up for a referendum if you like. Until all the whining about it after the hurricane, I would bet you most americans didn't even know it was an American territory.
 

EatTheRich

President
Their Government which knows without the US attachment they would be just like dozens of other poor island nations, puts them in Prison. The US - really doesn't care if they go or stay. Trust me. We can put it up for a referendum if you like. Until all the whining about it after the hurricane, I would bet you most americans didn't even know it was an American territory.
"Independence isn't something to be discussed, it's to be respected."-Rafael Cancel Miranda

If not for U.S. colonial rule, Puerto Rico would be another Cuba.
 
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