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Trump wants to replace SNAP (food stamps) with boxes of nutritious food.

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Blacks and illegals are gonna howl. They love to spend YOUR money on junk food and other luxuries.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-02-12/trump-budget-swaps-food-stamps-for-100-percent-american-food

fab 12 2018 In what would be one of the biggest shakeups of the U.S. food-stamp program in its five-decade history, President Donald Trump is proposing to slash cash payments and substitute them with "100 percent American grown food" given to recipients.

The changes, outlined Monday in Trump’s budget proposal, would reshape the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program, or SNAP, which supports roughly one in eight Americans, by reducing cash spending by about one-third from current levels.

The plan is part of an effort to reform SNAP and save a projected $214 billion over a decade. It would give all households receiving more than $90 a month in cash a food-aid package that would "include items such as shelf-stable milk, ready to eat cereals, pasta, peanut butter, beans and canned fruit, vegetables, and meat, poultry or fish," according to the proposal.
 

BobbyT

Governor
Blacks and illegals are gonna howl. They love to spend YOUR money on junk food and other luxuries.
What would be the costs associated with sourcing, packaging, and shipping those foodstuffs? How would the Government ensure the packages were delivered, and received, by the intended recipients? Will seasonal fresh fruits and vegetables be included? What about food allergies - would a family have the flexibility to exchange peanut butter, for example, for another protein source?
 

Spamature

President
What would be the costs associated with sourcing, packaging, and shipping those foodstuffs? How would the Government ensure the packages were delivered, and received, by the intended recipients? Will seasonal fresh fruits and vegetables be included? What about food allergies - would a family have the flexibility to exchange peanut butter, for example, for another protein source?
Wait ! Are you asking if one of Trump's harebrained schemes has been planned out ?
 

PhilFish

Administrator
Staff member
What would be the costs associated with sourcing, packaging, and shipping those foodstuffs? How would the Government ensure the packages were delivered, and received, by the intended recipients? Will seasonal fresh fruits and vegetables be included? What about food allergies - would a family have the flexibility to exchange peanut butter, for example, for another protein source?
Am thinking this is what selections should be limited to to begin with..
 

PhilFish

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What is what selections should be limited to? Sorry, I didn't understand your post; just asking for clarification.
What do you think about limiting choices to fruits, vegetables, grains, proteins, etc.. is where I was going.
 

BobbyT

Governor
Er, seasonal fresh fruits and alternative protein sources...
Was that in reply to me?

So how do you (or the TP if you're not supporting this) think that the cost of apportioning fresh fruits and alternative protein sources to individual by-family boxes, via shipping (and keeping fresh), and distribution - and the associated cost of labor, trucks and airplanes, and delivery persons - compares with cutting a check?
 

PhilFish

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Was that in reply to me?

So how do you (or the TP if you're not supporting this) think that the cost of apportioning fresh fruits and alternative protein sources to individual by-family boxes, via shipping (and keeping fresh), and distribution - and the associated cost of labor, trucks and airplanes, and delivery persons - compares with cutting a check?
It's an either or in my opinion. Logistically to challenging to ship, ok, then limit selection to only necessary, healthful items
 

BobbyT

Governor
What do you think about limiting choices to fruits, vegetables, grains, proteins, etc.. is where I was going.
Ah. Ignore above then if you want. Where do you think "choice" comes into play? Seriously, if the idea is to swap out cutting a check (or foodstamps or whatever) by having a by-family distribution of a "box," there's no way to do that except by having the same box for every family, scaled by family size. To do otherwise would be hugely unwieldy (hence my question about alternative protein source). The cost of tailoring a food box to every one of the millions of families that currently rely on SNAP is completely out of reach.

Frankly, the original question came about because the TP is convinced that people (specifically black people and "illegals" (who don't qualify anyway), but he's really just trolling) squander their benefits. I don't buy in to that racist (oops, will I be banned?) viewpoint. From my association with Steelbridge and Roadrunner Food Bank here in Albuquerque, that's not my experience.
 

PhilFish

Administrator
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Ah. Ignore above then if you want. Where do you think "choice" comes into play? Seriously, if the idea is to swap out cutting a check (or foodstamps or whatever) by having a by-family distribution of a "box," there's no way to do that except by having the same box for every family, scaled by family size. To do otherwise would be hugely unwieldy (hence my question about alternative protein source). The cost of tailoring a food box to every one of the millions of families that currently rely on SNAP is completely out of reach.

Frankly, the original question came about because the TP is convinced that people (specifically black people and "illegals" (who don't qualify anyway), but he's really just trolling) squander their benefits. I don't buy in to that racist (oops, will I be banned?) viewpoint. From my association with Steelbridge and Roadrunner Food Bank here in Albuquerque, that's not my experience.
Ah. Ignore above then if you want. Where do you think "choice" comes into play? Seriously, if the idea is to swap out cutting a check (or foodstamps or whatever) by having a by-family distribution of a "box," there's no way to do that except by having the same box for every family, scaled by family size. To do otherwise would be hugely unwieldy (hence my question about alternative protein source). The cost of tailoring a food box to every one of the millions of families that currently rely on SNAP is completely out of reach.

Frankly, the original question came about because the TP is convinced that people (specifically black people and "illegals" (who don't qualify anyway), but he's really just trolling) squander their benefits. I don't buy in to that racist (oops, will I be banned?) viewpoint. From my association with Steelbridge and Roadrunner Food Bank here in Albuquerque, that's not my experience.

Are you implying that I do?
 

Spamature

President
Er, seasonal fresh fruits and alternative protein sources...
That stuff for the guys in the R&D and the labeling departments to figure out. You are talking about taking away money from them after they've spend and continue to spend tons of it on changing the human diet. So let's see how that plan works out.
 

BobbyT

Governor
Are you implying that I do?
That you do what? Is your quibble with my use of the word "choice"? It was based on your saying "limit selection." I assumed "selection" to mean "selection by the recipients." Did you mean selection by those who sell to the Government for distribution? Or to what the Government selects? If so, I'll go back to my original question: what if the "selection" is of foodstuffs the family can't consume?

If I misinterpreted what you meant, please clarify. When you ask a single question on a two paragraph response, I could have completely missed what you meant.
 

BobbyT

Governor
That stuff for the guys in the R&D and the labeling departments to figure out. You are talking about taking away money from them after they've spend and continue to spend tons of it on changing the human diet. So let's see how that plan works out.
What specifically are you talking about? What stuff is for the guys in R&D and labeling to figure out?
 

Spamature

President
What specifically are you talking about? What stuff is for the guys in R&D and labeling to figure out?
What qualifies as "fresh seasonal fruit and alternative sources of protein. I'm pretty sure they can include a "made from" somewhere in there and make it "technically" correct.
 
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PhilFish

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That stuff for the guys in the R&D and the labeling departments to figure out. You are talking about taking away money from them after they've spend and continue to spend tons of it on changing the human diet. So let's see how that plan works out.
no, i'm talkingabout restrictions on selections available to snap recipients. you;re off on a tangent..

i'll try and steer you back..

the narrow question is... do you think it appropriate to consider limiting snap recipients selections to wholesome selections such as fresh fruits, veggies, protiens, and limited selections of processed foods with some higher degree of nuritional value?
 

BobbyT

Governor
no, i'm talkingabout restrictions on selections available to snap recipients. you;re off on a tangent..

i'll try and steer you back..

the narrow question is... do you think it appropriate to consider limiting snap recipients selections to wholesome selections such as fresh fruits, veggies, protiens, and limited selections of processed foods with some higher degree of nuritional value?
Oh, got it, thanks. I couldn't tell if you were arguing in favor of the TP post about switching SNAP with food boxes or not. SNAP recipients are already limited (no alcohol, no paper products, no pet food, etc.), but I'm not sure how one would gauge "higher nutritional value, either absolutely, state-by-state, or seasonally, nor how one would assure that "higher nutritional value" foods are reasonably obtainable (i.e., available in nearby stores). I think everyone should eat nutritionally but I don't think not doing so is limited to those on SNAP.
 
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