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Zam-Zam

Zam-Zam

Senator
Failure......on every front:

WACO, Tex. — Over the past year, those of us in the anti-Trump camp have churned out billions of words critiquing the president. The point of this work is to expose the harm President Trump is doing, weaken his support and prevent him from doing worse. And by that standard, the anti-Trump movement is a failure.

We have persuaded no one. Trump’s approval rating is around 40 percent, which is basically unchanged from where it’s been all along.

We have not hindered him. Trump has more power than he did a year ago, not less. With more mainstream figures like H. R. McMaster, Rex Tillerson and Gary Cohn gone, the administration is growing more nationalist, not less.

We have not dislodged him. For all the hype, the Mueller investigation looks less and less likely to fundamentally alter the course of the administration.

We have not contained him. Trump’s takeover of the Republican Party is complete. Eighty-nine percent of Republicans now have a positive impression of the man. According to an NBC News/Wall Street Journal poll, 59 percent of Republicans consider themselves more a supporter of Trump than of the Republican Party.

Complete text: https://www.nytimes.com/2018/04/09/opinion/trump-republicans.html?rref=collection/sectioncollection/opinion&action=click&contentCollection=opinion&region=rank&module=package&version=highlights&contentPlacement=6&pgtype=sectionfront



What to do with this information? My guess would be the Anti=Trumpers will:

1) Deny it.

2) Failing that, ignore it.

3) Proceed unhindered by it with even more of what's failed so spectacularly.


All of which is good news for Donald Trump.

Should be entertaining, no?......:>)
 
georgephillip

georgephillip

Senator
Your link:

"We have not contained him. Trump’s takeover of the Republican Party is complete. Eighty-nine percent of Republicans now have a positive impression of the man. According to an NBC News/Wall Street Journal poll, 59 percent of Republicans consider themselves more a supporter of Trump than of the Republican Party."

If roughly 60% of Republicans currently back Trump, does that mean a he will likely face a primary challenger or two (Romney and/or Ryan) in 2020?

https://www.npr.org/2018/04/11/601449190/house-speaker-paul-ryan-will-not-seek-reelection

"House Speaker Paul Ryan Will Not Seek Re-Election"
 
M

Montecresto

Mayor
Zam-Zam said:
Failure......on every front:

WACO, Tex. — Over the past year, those of us in the anti-Trump camp have churned out billions of words critiquing the president. The point of this work is to expose the harm President Trump is doing, weaken his support and prevent him from doing worse. And by that standard, the anti-Trump movement is a failure.

We have persuaded no one. Trump’s approval rating is around 40 percent, which is basically unchanged from where it’s been all along.

We have not hindered him. Trump has more power than he did a year ago, not less. With more mainstream figures like H. R. McMaster, Rex Tillerson and Gary Cohn gone, the administration is growing more nationalist, not less.

We have not dislodged him. For all the hype, the Mueller investigation looks less and less likely to fundamentally alter the course of the administration.

We have not contained him. Trump’s takeover of the Republican Party is complete. Eighty-nine percent of Republicans now have a positive impression of the man. According to an NBC News/Wall Street Journal poll, 59 percent of Republicans consider themselves more a supporter of Trump than of the Republican Party.

Complete text: https://www.nytimes.com/2018/04/09/opinion/trump-republicans.html?rref=collection/sectioncollection/opinion&action=click&contentCollection=opinion&region=rank&module=package&version=highlights&contentPlacement=6&pgtype=sectionfront



What to do with this information? My guess would be the Anti=Trumpers will:

1) Deny it.

2) Failing that, ignore it.

3) Proceed unhindered by it with even more of what's failed so spectacularly.


All of which is good news for Donald Trump.

Should be entertaining, no?......:>)
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Well that confirms the true position of the GOP.
 
T

trapdoor

Governor
My guess is that the anti-Trumpers in both parties will ignore it. The GOP anti-Trumpers will still have to vote for GOP candidates. The Democrats are convinced that they have a "rising tide" for 2020. Neither side has any real reason to change.
 
Dino

Dino

Russian Asset
georgephillip said:
Your link:

"We have not contained him. Trump’s takeover of the Republican Party is complete. Eighty-nine percent of Republicans now have a positive impression of the man. According to an NBC News/Wall Street Journal poll, 59 percent of Republicans consider themselves more a supporter of Trump than of the Republican Party."

If roughly 60% of Republicans currently back Trump, does that mean a he will likely face a primary challenger or two (Romney and/or Ryan) in 2020?

https://www.npr.org/2018/04/11/601449190/house-speaker-paul-ryan-will-not-seek-reelection

"House Speaker Paul Ryan Will Not Seek Re-Election"
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They should ignore it, because it's not true.
The goal of Mueller, Comey, and Democrats in general is not to eliminate or remove Trump. Just marginalize him.
Their actual goal is kicking the legs out from under the Republican Party, sow dissent and encourage enough division to win the mid-term elections.

And they're doing a great job of it.
 
Zam-Zam

Zam-Zam

Senator
Dino said:
They should ignore it, because it's not true.
The goal of Mueller, Comey, and Democrats in general is not to eliminate or remove Trump. Just marginalize him.
Their actual goal is kicking the legs out from under the Republican Party, sow dissent and encourage enough division to win the mid-term elections.

And they're doing a great job of it.
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This President has gotten everything he wanted; I don't believe any president has ever done that. He has, much to the chagrin of his adversaries, been able to push a great deal of his agenda through, something I believe they felt they could prevent. By any reasonable measure, his opponents have failed, and have done so on a spectacular scale.

Just my two cents.
 
M

Montecresto

Mayor
Zam-Zam said:
This President has gotten everything he wanted; I don't believe any president has ever done that. He has, much to the chagrin of his adversaries, been able to push a great deal of his agenda through, something I believe they felt they could prevent. By any reasonable measure, his opponents have failed, and have done so on a spectacular scale.

Just my two cents.
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Isn’t that the way of the minority party, shrug?
 
Dino

Dino

Russian Asset
Zam-Zam said:
This President has gotten everything he wanted; I don't believe any president has ever done that. He has, much to the chagrin of his adversaries, been able to push a great deal of his agenda through, something I believe they felt they could prevent. By any reasonable measure, his opponents have failed, and have done so on a spectacular scale.

Just my two cents.
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Trump and the GOP are two separate entities as much as the White House and the Capitol Building are.
Trump is not up for reelection this year, the pathetic, hopeless, spineless Republicans in Congress are. Their voters are not necessarily Trump's, and that division will be displayed quite clearly come November.
It's going to get ugly, and the GOPers deserve it.
 
Arkady

Arkady

President
Zam-Zam said:
Failure......on every front:

WACO, Tex. — Over the past year, those of us in the anti-Trump camp have churned out billions of words critiquing the president. The point of this work is to expose the harm President Trump is doing, weaken his support and prevent him from doing worse. And by that standard, the anti-Trump movement is a failure.

We have persuaded no one. Trump’s approval rating is around 40 percent, which is basically unchanged from where it’s been all along.

We have not hindered him. Trump has more power than he did a year ago, not less. With more mainstream figures like H. R. McMaster, Rex Tillerson and Gary Cohn gone, the administration is growing more nationalist, not less.

We have not dislodged him. For all the hype, the Mueller investigation looks less and less likely to fundamentally alter the course of the administration.

We have not contained him. Trump’s takeover of the Republican Party is complete. Eighty-nine percent of Republicans now have a positive impression of the man. According to an NBC News/Wall Street Journal poll, 59 percent of Republicans consider themselves more a supporter of Trump than of the Republican Party.

Complete text: https://www.nytimes.com/2018/04/09/opinion/trump-republicans.html?rref=collection/sectioncollection/opinion&action=click&contentCollection=opinion&region=rank&module=package&version=highlights&contentPlacement=6&pgtype=sectionfront



What to do with this information? My guess would be the Anti=Trumpers will:

1) Deny it.

2) Failing that, ignore it.

3) Proceed unhindered by it with even more of what's failed so spectacularly.


All of which is good news for Donald Trump.

Should be entertaining, no?......:>)
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First, it's worth pointing out that this is by David Brooks, a right-wing guy who is basically offended by Trump's lack of social gentility, but who actually supports most of his policies. I think the contributions of such members of the anti-Trump camp are impotent, because very few people really care about Trump's social graces, or lack there off. Brooks may grasp his pearls and reach for the fainting couch because Trump broke away from the stodgy form of Republicanism Brooks favors, but that criticism won't get much traction. So, Brooks would be wise to focus less on Trump's personality and more on the ways his policies are going to hurt Americans. But that would require Brooks to admit that his right-wing economic notions are bullshit, so don't hold your breath.

Anyway, it's true that all the anti-Trump efforts have done little to his approval ratings. Although his approval slid in the first couple weeks of his presidency, since then, those ratings have basically just been bouncing around within the margin of error for over a year.

I'd expect more of the same in the future. Given what a nightmare Trump has been across all fronts, it's hard to picture something coming up at this point that would hurt his approval ratings. Even if he were found guilty of the child rape he was accused of, for example, I'm sure the Trump devotees would just convince themselves it was the work of a liberal judge (even if it turned out to be a Republican judge). The Trumpsters are not going anywhere -- they've committed mindlessly to the man and will not be dislodged by new revelations, whatever they are.

More worrisome, there are others that could actually move TOWARDS Trump -- for example, if there were a big terrorist attack, that tends to be a great benefit to the approval numbers of the president. If there were to be a 9/11 or OK City-level attack, Trump could rise a lot. Similarly, if Trump were to start a war, he could be very popular until people got bored with it. So, I don't think Trump can fall much (33% is probably the floor), but he could rise a lot (Bush was a terrible president and yet he was once over 90%, and his father was just under 90% at his peak).

Still, the criticism is working. It doesn't have to shift approval ratings to work. It needs to shift election outcomes. And elections have been going the Democratic way. Doug Jones now sits in Jeff Sessions's old spot, and Cory Lamb replaced Tim Murphy. Even in what were hard-right districts, things are looking good for the left. Democrats don't need to push Trump's approval ratings lower than the 41% where they stand today. 41% won't get him re-elected. He'll need about 50%. Obama was at 51%, Bush at 53%, when they were reelected. So, all the anti-Trumpers need to do is keep his historically awful approval numbers from rising much.
 
Arkady

Arkady

President
Dino said:
They should ignore it, because it's not true.
The goal of Mueller, Comey, and Democrats in general is not to eliminate or remove Trump. Just marginalize him.
Their actual goal is kicking the legs out from under the Republican Party, sow dissent and encourage enough division to win the mid-term elections.

And they're doing a great job of it.
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Remember, Mueller, Comey, Rosenstein, and Wray are all Republicans. They're not working to kick the legs out from under the Republican Party. They're looking to surgically remove the rot from within it. What they probably don't realize yet is it's nearly all rot.
 
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