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Valerie Jarrett 'splains Obamanomics

degsme

Council Member
I'm not overly impressed with any of the Pub candidates and with the exception of Romney feel the rest of them could be as problematic as the O in an opposite manner.

I agree that the Senate is the key and have stated as much several times. I don't think there's any way the Pubs can fail to take the Senate majority this year. How big a majority is the only remaining question.
The GOP will not take the Senate as a majority this year. And even if it does, the Dems then are perfectly justified in pulling the same sort of unlimited fillibuster crap that the GOP pulled for Obama's first 2 years.

As for "socialism"... the fact that neither you nore Cicero seem to even know what the definition of it is, makes your comments to Julie about comprehension all the more noxious.

You are basically making shite up....

FACTS MATTER
got any?
 

middleview

President
Supporting Member
Failure to be able to think seems to be the prerequisite for being a conservative.
I think you mean "Republican".....not all conservatives are republicans, not all republicans are conservatives....all right wing partisan hacks are republican....
 

Sodak

Council Member
Please don't whine, dear. Next thing ya know, you'll be breaking out in tears and someone will have to wipe your runny nose.
 

middleview

President
Supporting Member
You know the difference between socialism and what is happening now. It is not socialism to lend money. It is not socialism to regulate insurance companies. It is not socialism to require that people buy health insurance instead of having government pay for their visits to the E/R. Let me know if I missed anything.
 

Sodak

Council Member
Yes, indeed, degs. FACTS do matter. Please show me any "fact" where I have ever referred to Obama as being a socialist. You are quite right that the majority of people only "think" they know the definition of all these labels tossed around - socialist, nazi, fascist, yada, yada. Discussions on who is or isn't is an exercise in futility as far as I'm concerned. I don't use labels because I DO comprehend just how slippery a slope they can be - unlike the individual you are attempting to defend.

And what FACT supports your statement that the Senate will not end up a Pub majority? Or do you just gaze at your navel and spit out these opinions?

But I see you agree with GW and me that when the Senate goes Pub, we will have a complete stalemate IF the O wins reelection.

Why would anyone NOT expect the minority party to play hardball in the particular political environment we find ourselves in?

Making shit up?? You're accusing ME??

So far that's my laugh for the day :)
 

Sodak

Council Member
Both of them were white.

But thanks for trying.

Did I ever tell you I lived in an all black neighborhood for seven years? A white woman. By myself. Wouldn't you just know? I didn't have any more problems living there than I had anywhere else in the Chgo area.

Funny how that works................
 

degsme

Council Member
Yes, indeed, degs. FACTS do matter. Please show me any "fact" where I have ever referred to Obama as being a socialist. You are quite right that the majority of people only "think" they know the definition of all these labels tossed around - socialist, nazi, fascist, yada, yada. Discussions on who is or isn't is an exercise in futility as far as I'm concerned. I don't use labels because I DO comprehend just how slippery a slope they can be - unlike the individual you are attempting to defend.
Ok fair enough. Your agreement with Cicero's claim of "socialism" makes your distancing a dubious claim but ok

And what FACT supports your statement that the Senate will not end up a Pub majority? Or do you just gaze at your navel and spit out these opinions?
Demographics. (wrote a longer treatise onthis but the browser ate it, so if what I say doesn't make sense ask and I will elaborate)

18-29yo in 08 went for Obama 67:31 outReaganing Reagan's 84 victory that has lead to 30 years of GOP over-representation
86 - like 2010 was an offyear and Reagan lost seats. But unlike Obama in 2010, the "vulnerable GOP" did not survive. Whereas the GOP spent 10s of millions trying to unseat the Dems in MD, CA, OR, WA and NV. and failed.

Its true that 7 Dems are retiring vs. 2 GOP but of those 7 only 2 seats are really open (NDak and VA) Meanwhile the GOP has 2 vulnerable seats (Snowe and Brown) both running negatives higher than their positives in states that are pro-obama.

in 08 the 18-29yos were 18% of the electorate, and where they showed up at 15%+in 2010 the GOP went down in flames. Meanwhile the economy has improved and GOP Congressional Negatives HAVE GONE UP.

And now its 18-33yos. and they make up roughly 22% of the electorate. that's a locked in 14% edge (assuming only REAGAN level approval vs. Obama's 6 point higher win) that you have to net beat in the rest of the demographics. But if you look at even the 2010 numbers - you don't have that 14% edge.

So there is almost zero chance the GOP will pick up 4 seats. In fact there is a decent chance it will lose 1-2 seats.
 

connieb

Senator
Maybe the problem is that they are going out and "spending it" instead of... oh I don't know - paying for Cobra coverage and rent.mortgage and their utility bills.
 

JuliefromOhio

President
Supporting Member
Please don't whine, dear. Next thing ya know, you'll be breaking out in tears and someone will have to wipe your runny nose.
you posted like an hysterical school girl about how afraid you are, but then won't speak to what has you so frightened? how very odd.
 

Sodak

Council Member
Poor julie-booq. Getting carried away with her overly active imagination.

Hysterical I'm not.

Too funny for words :)
 

degsme

Council Member
I think you mean "Republican".....not all conservatives are republicans, not all republicans are conservatives....all right wing partisan hacks are republican....
Conservatives don't vote for Dems... Actions speak louder than self-identification.
 

degsme

Council Member
Both of them were white.

But thanks for trying.

Did I ever tell you I lived in an all black neighborhood for seven years? A white woman. By myself. Wouldn't you just know? I didn't have any more problems living there than I had anywhere else in the Chgo area.

Funny how that works................
And some of my best friends are :censored: ..... uhuh.. classic archie bunker response
 

Sodak

Council Member
Perhaps where you've erred is in thinking my response reflects agreement with every adjective a poster uses to describe anything at all.

My response did not deal with socialism and to assume acceptance by me of everything GW writes is a bit of a leap.

Now - your demographics explanation is simply your particular analysis of how you perceive the situation based on a set of facts. It is an analysis, an opinion, nothing more, nothing less. Opinions are not FACTS.

Today's poll results are a FACT but they do not portend any particular result down the road since tomorrow's poll may be the opposite of today. And I know you know that. Your last paragraph lays it out :)
 
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