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Libertarian Platform

sensible don

Governor
Supporting Member
How much do you agree and disagree with this platform?

https://www.lp.org/platform/

PREAMBLE
As Libertarians, we seek a world of liberty: a world in which all individuals are sovereign over their own lives and are not forced to sacrifice their values for the benefit of others.

We believe that respect for individual rights is the essential precondition for a free and prosperous world, that force and fraud must be banished from human relationships, and that only through freedom can peace and prosperity be realized.

Consequently, we defend each person’s right to engage in any activity that is peaceful and honest, and welcome the diversity that freedom brings. The world we seek to build is one where individuals are free to follow their own dreams in their own ways, without interference from government or any authoritarian power.

In the following pages we set forth our basic principles and enumerate various policy stands derived from those principles.

These specific policies are not our goal, however. Our goal is nothing more nor less than a world set free in our lifetime, and it is to this end that we take these stands.

2.0 ECONOMIC LIBERTY

Libertarians want all members of society to have abundant opportunities to achieve economic success. A free and competitive market allocates resources in the most efficient manner. Each person has the right to offer goods and services to others on the free market. The only proper role of government in the economic realm is to protect property rights, adjudicate disputes, and provide a legal framework in which voluntary trade is protected. All efforts by government to redistribute wealth, or to control or manage trade, are improper in a free society.

2.1 Property and Contract

As respect for property rights is fundamental to maintaining a free and prosperous society, it follows that the freedom to contract to obtain, retain, profit from, manage, or dispose of one’s property must also be upheld. Libertarians would free property owners from government restrictions on their rights to control and enjoy their property, as long as their choices do not harm or infringe on the rights of others. Eminent domain, civil asset forfeiture, governmental limits on profits, governmental production mandates, and governmental controls on prices of goods and services (including wages, rents, and interest) are abridgements of such fundamental rights. For voluntary dealings among private entities, parties should be free to choose with whom they trade and set whatever trade terms are mutually agreeable.


2.4 Government Finance and Spending

All persons are entitled to keep the fruits of their labor. We call for the repeal of the income tax, the abolishment of the Internal Revenue Service and all federal programs and services not required under the U.S. Constitution. We oppose any legal requirements forcing employers to serve as tax collectors. We support any initiative to reduce or abolish any tax, and oppose any increase on any tax for any reason. To the extent possible, we advocate that all public services be funded in a voluntary manner.

2.5 Government Debt

Government should not incur debt, which burdens future generations without their consent. We support the passage of a “Balanced Budget Amendment” to the U.S. Constitution, provided that the budget is balanced exclusively by cutting expenditures, and not by raising taxes.
2.12 Education

Education is best provided by the free market, achieving greater quality, accountability, and efficiency with more diversity of choice. Recognizing that the education of children is a parental responsibility, we would restore authority to parents to determine the education of their children, without interference from government. Parents should have control of and responsibility for all funds expended for their children’s education.

2.13 Health Care

We favor a free market health care system. We recognize the freedom of individuals to determine the level of health insurance they want (if any), the level of health care they want, the care providers they want, the medicines and treatments they will use and all other aspects of their medical care, including end-of-life decisions. People should be free to purchase health insurance across state lines.

2.14 Retirement and Income Security

Retirement planning is the responsibility of the individual, not the government. Libertarians would phase out the current government-sponsored Social Security system and transition to a private voluntary system. The proper and most effective source of help for the poor is the voluntary efforts of private groups and individuals. We believe members of society will become even more charitable and civil society will be strengthened as government reduces its activity in this realm.


3.0 SECURING LIBERTY
The protection of individual rights is the only proper purpose of government. Government is constitutionally limited so as to prevent the infringement of individual rights by the government itself. The principle of non-initiation of force should guide the relationships between governments.

3.1 National Defense

We support the maintenance of a sufficient military to defend the United States against aggression. The United States should both avoid entangling alliances and abandon its attempts to act as policeman for the world. We oppose any form of compulsory national service.
 

sensible don

Governor
Supporting Member
1.5 Abortion

Recognizing that abortion is a sensitive issue and that people can hold good-faith views on all sides, we believe that government should be kept out of the matter, leaving the question to each person for their conscientious consideration.

1.6 Parental Rights

Parents, or other guardians, have the right to raise their children according to their own standards and beliefs, provided that the rights of children to be free from abuse and neglect are also protected.

1.7 Crime and Justice

Government force must be limited to the protection of the rights of individuals to life, liberty, and property, and governments must never be permitted to violate these rights. Laws should be limited in their application to violations of the rights of others through force or fraud, or to deliberate actions that place others involuntarily at significant risk of harm. Therefore, we favor the repeal of all laws creating “crimes” without victims, such as gambling, the use of drugs for medicinal or recreational purposes, and consensual transactions involving sexual services. We support restitution to the victim to the fullest degree possible at the expense of the criminal or the negligent wrongdoer. The constitutional rights of the criminally accused, including due process, a speedy trial, legal counsel, trial by jury, and the legal presumption of innocence until proven guilty, must be preserved. We assert the common-law right of juries to judge not only the facts but also the justice of the law. We oppose the prosecutorial practice of “over-charging” in criminal prosecutions so as to avoid jury trials by intimidating defendants into accepting plea bargains.

1.8 Death Penalty

We oppose the administration of the death penalty by the state.

1.9 Self-Defense

The only legitimate use of force is in defense of individual rights — life, liberty, and justly acquired property — against aggression. This right inheres in the individual, who may agree to be aided by any other individual or group. We affirm the individual right recognized by the Second Amendment to keep and bear arms, and oppose the prosecution of individuals for exercising their rights of self-defense. Private property owners should be free to establish their own conditions regarding the presence of personal defense weapons on their own property. We oppose all laws at any level of government restricting, registering, or monitoring the ownership, manufacture, or transfer of firearms or ammunition.
 

sear

Mayor
Liberty means the right & power to think, act, and express ones self in the manner of ones own choosing, provided that Liberty does not infringe or usurp the Liberty of another or others.

It is a Founding principle of the United States of America that Liberty is a:
- Creator endowed
- Constitutionally enumerated
- unalienable right.

What does "unalienable" mean?
It means: not to be separated, given away, or taken away.

We needn't look any further than the martial oppression of Drug War to know that our Liberty has been not merely infringed, but usurped.

We and our diminishing Liberty are in extreme danger. For we have left our governance to a bevy of charlatans & scoundrels.

My thanks to sd for this topic. And thanks for including the LP.org link.
 

sear

Mayor
I wish you and all well.
BUT !!
You seem to have inferred what I did not imply.
I've been voting Libertarian since the previous millennium.
I've never been more energized about a presidential candidate than 1992's Andre Marrou. He ran against:
- President GHWB (re-election)
- H. Ross Perot
- Governor Clinton (D-AR)

I voted for him. I'm not sure he got 5% of the vote.
So over the decades, over the generations my vote seems to be the kiss of death.
I voted against Trump, and Trump won.

See how it works?

So I have no illusions about a better future. I believe the Republican / Democrat will continue to run roughshod over the U.S. $tax $payer for the foreseeable future.
But at least LP.org reminds me that there are some sane conservatives out there that actually have the good governance of the People in mind, and not jeopardizing a spectrum of workers including Air Traffic Control, and the United States Coast Guard.
Trump should be ASHAMED! And he isn't. Not even close.

The following excerpted from U.S. Presidential candidate Libertarian Andre Marrou's 1992 stump speech.
The annual subsidy for each American dairy cow is between $600-$700 dollars a year. This is greater than the per capita income of half of the worlds population. And what do we get for that? We get a price for milk and other dairy products that's double the world's level.

Who does this impinge on? Primarily poor people with children. Rich people could care less what the price of milk is. Poor people without children, they don't use much milk.

It's the poor people with children who are primarily hurt by this.


caveat
 

EatTheRich

President
How much do you agree and disagree with this platform?

https://www.lp.org/platform/

PREAMBLE
As Libertarians, we seek a world of liberty: a world in which all individuals are sovereign over their own lives and are not forced to sacrifice their values for the benefit of others.

We believe that respect for individual rights is the essential precondition for a free and prosperous world, that force and fraud must be banished from human relationships, and that only through freedom can peace and prosperity be realized.

Consequently, we defend each person’s right to engage in any activity that is peaceful and honest, and welcome the diversity that freedom brings. The world we seek to build is one where individuals are free to follow their own dreams in their own ways, without interference from government or any authoritarian power.

In the following pages we set forth our basic principles and enumerate various policy stands derived from those principles.

These specific policies are not our goal, however. Our goal is nothing more nor less than a world set free in our lifetime, and it is to this end that we take these stands.

2.0 ECONOMIC LIBERTY

Libertarians want all members of society to have abundant opportunities to achieve economic success. A free and competitive market allocates resources in the most efficient manner. Each person has the right to offer goods and services to others on the free market. The only proper role of government in the economic realm is to protect property rights, adjudicate disputes, and provide a legal framework in which voluntary trade is protected. All efforts by government to redistribute wealth, or to control or manage trade, are improper in a free society.

2.1 Property and Contract

As respect for property rights is fundamental to maintaining a free and prosperous society, it follows that the freedom to contract to obtain, retain, profit from, manage, or dispose of one’s property must also be upheld. Libertarians would free property owners from government restrictions on their rights to control and enjoy their property, as long as their choices do not harm or infringe on the rights of others. Eminent domain, civil asset forfeiture, governmental limits on profits, governmental production mandates, and governmental controls on prices of goods and services (including wages, rents, and interest) are abridgements of such fundamental rights. For voluntary dealings among private entities, parties should be free to choose with whom they trade and set whatever trade terms are mutually agreeable.


2.4 Government Finance and Spending

All persons are entitled to keep the fruits of their labor. We call for the repeal of the income tax, the abolishment of the Internal Revenue Service and all federal programs and services not required under the U.S. Constitution. We oppose any legal requirements forcing employers to serve as tax collectors. We support any initiative to reduce or abolish any tax, and oppose any increase on any tax for any reason. To the extent possible, we advocate that all public services be funded in a voluntary manner.

2.5 Government Debt

Government should not incur debt, which burdens future generations without their consent. We support the passage of a “Balanced Budget Amendment” to the U.S. Constitution, provided that the budget is balanced exclusively by cutting expenditures, and not by raising taxes.
2.12 Education

Education is best provided by the free market, achieving greater quality, accountability, and efficiency with more diversity of choice. Recognizing that the education of children is a parental responsibility, we would restore authority to parents to determine the education of their children, without interference from government. Parents should have control of and responsibility for all funds expended for their children’s education.

2.13 Health Care

We favor a free market health care system. We recognize the freedom of individuals to determine the level of health insurance they want (if any), the level of health care they want, the care providers they want, the medicines and treatments they will use and all other aspects of their medical care, including end-of-life decisions. People should be free to purchase health insurance across state lines.

2.14 Retirement and Income Security

Retirement planning is the responsibility of the individual, not the government. Libertarians would phase out the current government-sponsored Social Security system and transition to a private voluntary system. The proper and most effective source of help for the poor is the voluntary efforts of private groups and individuals. We believe members of society will become even more charitable and civil society will be strengthened as government reduces its activity in this realm.


3.0 SECURING LIBERTY
The protection of individual rights is the only proper purpose of government. Government is constitutionally limited so as to prevent the infringement of individual rights by the government itself. The principle of non-initiation of force should guide the relationships between governments.

3.1 National Defense

We support the maintenance of a sufficient military to defend the United States against aggression. The United States should both avoid entangling alliances and abandon its attempts to act as policeman for the world. We oppose any form of compulsory national service.
So you want to eliminate social security, Medicare, Medicaid, VA health care, minimum wage laws, and public education?
 

sear

Mayor
"So you want to eliminate social security, Medicare, Medicaid, VA health care, minimum wage laws, and public education?" ER #6
I don't meet the maximum qualifications for a troglodyte.
But I am a "card carrying" Libertarian.
So I'd be delighted to provide you my personal answer on that, though it's wise not to forget that there is a diversity of views within LP.org

"Eliminate" is a loaded term.
It would be impolitic to simply suddenly completely abolish " social security, Medicare, Medicaid, VA health care, minimum wage laws, and public education".

I'll address them for you one at a time:
It is incorrect for you to include VA healthcare in with the others. It is extremely different.
"social security, Medicare, Medicaid, minimum wage laws, and public education" are somewhat arbitrary, though in 3rd millennium modern society, education of the public is indispensable. 3rd millennium modern society could not possibly operate with a population of illiterate peasants. For our society to be viable, we need a population which at adulthood is sufficiently employable to be a viable tax paying citizen. Anything less, and the society (nation) fails. So it's nothing less than survival of our People and nation the compels us to it.

AND !!

Our current system provides leeway, freedom of choice. At the student's / parent's preference.
If they don't like public (government) school, they can substitute:
- private school
- parochial school
- charter school
- home school
- boarding school.
It may not be perfect. You got a better idea?

As a Libertarian I oppose minimum wage laws, for they disemploy entry-level workers.

"Most poor people are making more than the minimum wage, and most people making the minimum wage are not poor people, they're students and other part time workers." George Will

Social Security is a pyramid scam, a Ponzi scheme. It was insanity to have ever allowed it. Government's role is to regulate, not administer. We never should have elbowed our way in to the insurance bidness.
So while I'd gladly buy out anyone that's already in for 50 cents on the $dollar, the sensible thing for political reasons is to simply taper it off. Render participation voluntary. That would strangle this baby in the crib for good!

Medicare / Medicaid? Privatize them.

That leaves VA healthcare, a very separate issue from all the others.
VA healthcare is a demonstration of the People's gratitude to our brave, principled U.S. military volunteers for placing life & limb at risk for the preservation of our sovereignty. You needn't spend a night in a U.S. VA hospital to understand how many of your fellow citizens are missing limbs, suffer paralysis, suffer respiratory or other problems because of their commitment to U.S. as a People.
THEY placed themselves at mortal risk for U.S.
The very least we can do is to not penalize them further for their heroic sacrifice.
VA healthcare is not an "entitlement" in the same meaning as Medicare or Medicaid.
VA healthcare is a well-earned benefit.
And the good People of the United States of America would be reneging on our end of the bargain if we allowed our veteran countrymen to sacrifice as they have, and then deny them the healthcare they have earned.

BUT !!

If we do, I would encourage all my countrymen to simply avoid U.S. military service.
- If you haven't joined, DON'T.
- If you have joined, do NOT re-up.
A nation with such treacherous approach to military veterans does not deserve to have its sovereignty protected.
We can let al Qaida take over. Perhaps they'd have a more ethical approach to rewarding our veteran military volunteers.
 

JuliefromOhio

President
Supporting Member
JO #8
I appreciate a good joke JO #8. I hope some day you'll post one.
Oh, ferheavensake, it's just hard to be serious about Libertarianism while Trump is punishing 800k+ federal workers and moving towards a constitutional crisis.
 

EatTheRich

President
I don't meet the maximum qualifications for a troglodyte.
But I am a "card carrying" Libertarian.
So I'd be delighted to provide you my personal answer on that, though it's wise not to forget that there is a diversity of views within LP.org

"Eliminate" is a loaded term.
It would be impolitic to simply suddenly completely abolish " social security, Medicare, Medicaid, VA health care, minimum wage laws, and public education".

I'll address them for you one at a time:
It is incorrect for you to include VA healthcare in with the others. It is extremely different.
"social security, Medicare, Medicaid, minimum wage laws, and public education" are somewhat arbitrary, though in 3rd millennium modern society, education of the public is indispensable. 3rd millennium modern society could not possibly operate with a population of illiterate peasants. For our society to be viable, we need a population which at adulthood is sufficiently employable to be a viable tax paying citizen. Anything less, and the society (nation) fails. So it's nothing less than survival of our People and nation the compels us to it.

AND !!

Our current system provides leeway, freedom of choice. At the student's / parent's preference.
If they don't like public (government) school, they can substitute:
- private school
- parochial school
- charter school
- home school
- boarding school.
It may not be perfect. You got a better idea?

As a Libertarian I oppose minimum wage laws, for they disemploy entry-level workers.

"Most poor people are making more than the minimum wage, and most people making the minimum wage are not poor people, they're students and other part time workers." George Will

Social Security is a pyramid scam, a Ponzi scheme. It was insanity to have ever allowed it. Government's role is to regulate, not administer. We never should have elbowed our way in to the insurance bidness.
So while I'd gladly buy out anyone that's already in for 50 cents on the $dollar, the sensible thing for political reasons is to simply taper it off. Render participation voluntary. That would strangle this baby in the crib for good!

Medicare / Medicaid? Privatize them.

That leaves VA healthcare, a very separate issue from all the others.
VA healthcare is a demonstration of the People's gratitude to our brave, principled U.S. military volunteers for placing life & limb at risk for the preservation of our sovereignty. You needn't spend a night in a U.S. VA hospital to understand how many of your fellow citizens are missing limbs, suffer paralysis, suffer respiratory or other problems because of their commitment to U.S. as a People.
THEY placed themselves at mortal risk for U.S.
The very least we can do is to not penalize them further for their heroic sacrifice.
VA healthcare is not an "entitlement" in the same meaning as Medicare or Medicaid.
VA healthcare is a well-earned benefit.
And the good People of the United States of America would be reneging on our end of the bargain if we allowed our veteran countrymen to sacrifice as they have, and then deny them the healthcare they have earned.

BUT !!

If we do, I would encourage all my countrymen to simply avoid U.S. military service.
- If you haven't joined, DON'T.
- If you have joined, do NOT re-up.
A nation with such treacherous approach to military veterans does not deserve to have its sovereignty protected.
We can let al Qaida take over. Perhaps they'd have a more ethical approach to rewarding our veteran military volunteers.
Medicare is also a well-earned benefit. Workers sacrifice life and limb off the battlefield too, in meatpacking plants for example.
 

EatTheRich

President
I don't meet the maximum qualifications for a troglodyte.
But I am a "card carrying" Libertarian.
So I'd be delighted to provide you my personal answer on that, though it's wise not to forget that there is a diversity of views within LP.org

"Eliminate" is a loaded term.
It would be impolitic to simply suddenly completely abolish " social security, Medicare, Medicaid, VA health care, minimum wage laws, and public education".

I'll address them for you one at a time:
It is incorrect for you to include VA healthcare in with the others. It is extremely different.
"social security, Medicare, Medicaid, minimum wage laws, and public education" are somewhat arbitrary, though in 3rd millennium modern society, education of the public is indispensable. 3rd millennium modern society could not possibly operate with a population of illiterate peasants. For our society to be viable, we need a population which at adulthood is sufficiently employable to be a viable tax paying citizen. Anything less, and the society (nation) fails. So it's nothing less than survival of our People and nation the compels us to it.

AND !!

Our current system provides leeway, freedom of choice. At the student's / parent's preference.
If they don't like public (government) school, they can substitute:
- private school
- parochial school
- charter school
- home school
- boarding school.
It may not be perfect. You got a better idea?

As a Libertarian I oppose minimum wage laws, for they disemploy entry-level workers.

"Most poor people are making more than the minimum wage, and most people making the minimum wage are not poor people, they're students and other part time workers." George Will

Social Security is a pyramid scam, a Ponzi scheme. It was insanity to have ever allowed it. Government's role is to regulate, not administer. We never should have elbowed our way in to the insurance bidness.
So while I'd gladly buy out anyone that's already in for 50 cents on the $dollar, the sensible thing for political reasons is to simply taper it off. Render participation voluntary. That would strangle this baby in the crib for good!

Medicare / Medicaid? Privatize them.

That leaves VA healthcare, a very separate issue from all the others.
VA healthcare is a demonstration of the People's gratitude to our brave, principled U.S. military volunteers for placing life & limb at risk for the preservation of our sovereignty. You needn't spend a night in a U.S. VA hospital to understand how many of your fellow citizens are missing limbs, suffer paralysis, suffer respiratory or other problems because of their commitment to U.S. as a People.
THEY placed themselves at mortal risk for U.S.
The very least we can do is to not penalize them further for their heroic sacrifice.
VA healthcare is not an "entitlement" in the same meaning as Medicare or Medicaid.
VA healthcare is a well-earned benefit.
And the good People of the United States of America would be reneging on our end of the bargain if we allowed our veteran countrymen to sacrifice as they have, and then deny them the healthcare they have earned.

BUT !!

If we do, I would encourage all my countrymen to simply avoid U.S. military service.
- If you haven't joined, DON'T.
- If you have joined, do NOT re-up.
A nation with such treacherous approach to military veterans does not deserve to have its sovereignty protected.
We can let al Qaida take over. Perhaps they'd have a more ethical approach to rewarding our veteran military volunteers.
Social security isn’t an insurance program or investment scheme at all. It is a safety net that can be funded just as readily from income taxes on the rich as from payroll taxes on workers and employers.

The current system in education is not what Libertarians consider a “free” market because of the public option.
 

sear

Mayor
"Medicare is also a well-earned benefit. Workers sacrifice life and limb off the battlefield too, in meatpacking plants for example." ER #13
- dandy -
And their employer, the "meatpacking plants" for example are obliged to attend to such details. U.S. federal government has no role in it, and thus no responsibility.
In the scenario you describe, if it's a private sector obligation, then it should be a private sector financed and administered program. Federal government can regulate, but must not administer such civilian programs.

It's an ENTIRELY different story with the United States military. And thus your comment is elucidating, but irrelevant.

ER #14

Call it what you like, Gertrude might be a fashionable epithet.
No matter what it's called, it's inappropriate in the Libertarian nation our Founders created for us.

Government's role is to regulate, not administer!
 

EatTheRich

President
- dandy -
And their employer, the "meatpacking plants" for example are obliged to attend to such details. U.S. federal government has no role in it, and thus no responsibility.
In the scenario you describe, if it's a private sector obligation, then it should be a private sector financed and administered program. Federal government can regulate, but must not administer such civilian programs.

It's an ENTIRELY different story with the United States military. And thus your comment is elucidating, but irrelevant.

ER #14

Call it what you like, Gertrude might be a fashionable epithet.
No matter what it's called, it's inappropriate in the Libertarian nation our Founders created for us.

Government's role is to regulate, not administer!
Disagreed. We all benefit from the labor. Just as an industry-wide collective bargaining agreement can win pensions for a whole industry rather than forcing divided workers to negotiate on a plant-by-plant basis, so Medicare and social security essentially represent the results of a collective bargaining agreement between the labor movement as a whole and the employers (represented by their government) as a whole.
 

sear

Mayor
"Disagreed. We all benefit from the labor." ER #16
I never asserted or implied otherwise.

Tragically, you dismally understate your case.
For the fact is, we ALL benefit from society entirely.

BUT !!

You don't pay the butcher's salary, or the baker's salary, or the candlestick maker's salary entirely.
Instead, you coexist with them within our capitalist system. So that:
- the butcher's capitalist welfare is attended to by his employer, Hormel in this case.
- the baker's capitalist welfare is attended to by his employer, Pepridge Farm in this case.
- the candlestick maker's capitalist welfare is attended to by his employer, Bayberry Exports in this case.

Most times you make a point ER, and occasionally a sharp one.

But you've trampled the trouser lizard on this one.
The ethical, moral, and legal obligation of employers are to their employees. It is not generally a patron's obligation to pay hospital bills for the shopkeeper's misfortunes.
"Just as an industry-wide collective bargaining agreement can win pensions for a whole industry rather than forcing divided workers to negotiate on a plant-by-plant basis, so Medicare and social security essentially represent the results of a collective bargaining agreement between the labor movement as a whole and the employers (represented by their government) as a whole." ER
I have no objection to collective bargaining.
But that's not directly related to the previous points addressed in this post.

Enjoy your weekend, only the second of the New Year.
 

Jen

Senator
1.5 Abortion

Recognizing that abortion is a sensitive issue and that people can hold good-faith views on all sides, we believe that government should be kept out of the matter, leaving the question to each person for their conscientious consideration.

1.6 Parental Rights

Parents, or other guardians, have the right to raise their children according to their own standards and beliefs, provided that the rights of children to be free from abuse and neglect are also protected.

1.7 Crime and Justice

Government force must be limited to the protection of the rights of individuals to life, liberty, and property, and governments must never be permitted to violate these rights. Laws should be limited in their application to violations of the rights of others through force or fraud, or to deliberate actions that place others involuntarily at significant risk of harm. Therefore, we favor the repeal of all laws creating “crimes” without victims, such as gambling, the use of drugs for medicinal or recreational purposes, and consensual transactions involving sexual services. We support restitution to the victim to the fullest degree possible at the expense of the criminal or the negligent wrongdoer. The constitutional rights of the criminally accused, including due process, a speedy trial, legal counsel, trial by jury, and the legal presumption of innocence until proven guilty, must be preserved. We assert the common-law right of juries to judge not only the facts but also the justice of the law. We oppose the prosecutorial practice of “over-charging” in criminal prosecutions so as to avoid jury trials by intimidating defendants into accepting plea bargains.

1.8 Death Penalty

We oppose the administration of the death penalty by the state.

1.9 Self-Defense

The only legitimate use of force is in defense of individual rights — life, liberty, and justly acquired property — against aggression. This right inheres in the individual, who may agree to be aided by any other individual or group. We affirm the individual right recognized by the Second Amendment to keep and bear arms, and oppose the prosecution of individuals for exercising their rights of self-defense. Private property owners should be free to establish their own conditions regarding the presence of personal defense weapons on their own property. We oppose all laws at any level of government restricting, registering, or monitoring the ownership, manufacture, or transfer of firearms or ammunition.
I have always leaned libertarian if not Libertarian.
But at this point only two parties can get a president and majority elected to run our government so it is not wise to vote Libertarian.

Both of our existing parties are totally and irreparably corrupted, so it would be nice if the Libertarian Party could grow in power (without being corrupted). I could easily be a Libertarian.
 

sear

Mayor
J #18
You can be a libertarian, without voting a straight Libertarian ticket each election day.
Some believe that for those that wish to change the world must be prepared to begin with changing themselves.

I'm not trying to turn this supernatural on you.
But if you will allow me to briefly quote holy scripture:

for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap. Galations 6:7
(you reap what you sow)

Those that wish to harvest corn must be wise enough not to plant barley.

If you wish to live as a Libertarian, all you have to do is do so.
It reduces to the golden rule.

DO UNTO OTHERS AS YOU WOULD HAVE THEM DO UNTO YOU. inspired by
Matthew 7:12

Treat others with the courtesy you would prefer,
ask nothing of others you would not accord if the roles were reversed,
and offend not more than you would wish to be offended,
and you prepare your path to an optimized life.
 

sensible don

Governor
Supporting Member
I really think a third party has a chance in 2020. Both sides look dreadful to the public right now fighting over a "wall" that in the end will do little to stop drug's coming into the U.S.
Maybe Kasich will see this as the route to go and grab a female dem as a VP and get 35 - 40% and possibly win ?
 
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