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Libertarian Platform

Raoul_Luke

I feel a bit lightheaded. Maybe you should drive.
Liberty means the right & power to think, act, and express ones self in the manner of ones own choosing, provided that Liberty does not infringe or usurp the Liberty of another or others.

It is a Founding principle of the United States of America that Liberty is a:
- Creator endowed
- Constitutionally enumerated
- unalienable right.

What does "unalienable" mean?
It means: not to be separated, given away, or taken away.

We needn't look any further than the martial oppression of Drug War to know that our Liberty has been not merely infringed, but usurped.

We and our diminishing Liberty are in extreme danger. For we have left our governance to a bevy of charlatans & scoundrels.

My thanks to sd for this topic. And thanks for including the LP.org link.
Agreed! But in a welfare state, legalizing drugs is cultural and fiscal suicide. You can't pick and choose what you like from their menu as if it were a fast food joint...
 

sear

Mayor
"fast food joint..." RL
Delicate choice of words.
"in a welfare state, legalizing drugs is cultural and fiscal suicide." RL
Why?
The argument is, more recreational drug use, more need for medical treatment, at the People's expense.
The counter-argument is, the more recreational drug use, the more premature deaths. And such death cuts much of the medical expenses for a citizen, as the last few years of life for seniors may incur more medical expense than all of the rest of the life combined.

I vehemently agree that we've gone off our charter with this government intervention:
- Social Security
- Medicaid
- Medicare
- Obamacare
- etc

BUT !!!

Generally U.S. citizens like a $bargain. They love to pay wholesale price for retail purchase.
Buying in bulk enables that to happen.
Western European nations have proved, not pretended, they have DEMONSTRATED that they can produce superior healthcare outcomes, providing longer patient lifespans, at lower per patient cost than that available in the U.S. either before Obamacare, or during.

But some of such European healthcare is single-payer. And that alone is so deeply offensive to Republicans that they prefer to indulge their fraudulent ideology, at the expense figuratively and literally, of those that elected them.
 

Raoul_Luke

I feel a bit lightheaded. Maybe you should drive.
Delicate choice of words.

Why?
The argument is, more recreational drug use, more need for medical treatment, at the People's expense.
The counter-argument is, the more recreational drug use, the more premature deaths. And such death cuts much of the medical expenses for a citizen, as the last few years of life for seniors may incur more medical expense than all of the rest of the life combined.

I vehemently agree that we've gone off our charter with this government intervention:
- Social Security
- Medicaid
- Medicare
- Obamacare
- etc

BUT !!!

Generally U.S. citizens like a $bargain. They love to pay wholesale price for retail purchase.
Buying in bulk enables that to happen.
Western European nations have proved, not pretended, they have DEMONSTRATED that they can produce superior healthcare outcomes, providing longer patient lifespans, at lower per patient cost than that available in the U.S. either before Obamacare, or during.

But some of such European healthcare is single-payer. And that alone is so deeply offensive to Republicans that they prefer to indulge their fraudulent ideology, at the expense figuratively and literally, of those that elected them.
Do you have a clue what it costs to treat a brain dead OD victim? If they all die before the ambulance arrives, your supposition makes perfect sense...
 

sear

Mayor
"in a welfare state, legalizing drugs is cultural and fiscal suicide." RL
That may justify ending the welfare state. It does not legitimize the martial oppression of Drug War.
 

sear

Mayor
"Do you have a clue what it costs" RL
I'm no longer a first responder. But even if I were, my experience would be anecdotal. So I rely on the studies, the reports from responsible sources such as NYT & WSJ. And over time (decades) these reports seem to corroborate one another. So I'm fairly confident in the basic reliability of my information, even if one niggling detail or another is off by a few pennies. Broad scale trends are sufficient for this particular casual conversation.

WHATEVER the cost, the preponderance of reports I've read of it indicate the nations with both lower per capita healthcare costs AND better healthcare outcomes tend to be cycling down their own Drug Wars; reportedly to the benefit of the nation as a whole.
 

Raoul_Luke

I feel a bit lightheaded. Maybe you should drive.
I'm no longer a first responder. But even if I were, my experience would be anecdotal. So I rely on the studies, the reports from responsible sources such as NYT & WSJ. And over time (decades) these reports seem to corroborate one another. So I'm fairly confident in the basic reliability of my information, even if one niggling detail or another is off by a few pennies. Broad scale trends are sufficient for this particular casual conversation.

WHATEVER the cost, the preponderance of reports I've read of it indicate the nations with both lower per capita healthcare costs AND better healthcare outcomes tend to be cycling down their own Drug Wars; reportedly to the benefit of the nation as a whole.
Well I'm certainly willing to give it a try.
 
Do you have a clue what it costs to treat a brain dead OD victim? If they all die before the ambulance arrives, your supposition makes perfect sense...
Wall Street's Narco Laundromat Blocks a Manly Solution to This Social Disease

Poison the drug supply. These escapist scumbags are not "victims." The misfits who preach that they are have nothing but vindictive contempt for the victims of the crimes druggies commit.
 
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sear

Mayor
RL #26

To quote NY charlatan and presidential candidate Trump:

"What do you have to lose?!"

The odd thing RL #26 is that it's hardly terra incognita.

It's not like we have no idea what would happen if we ended Drug War before Sunday breakfast.
For most of American history this continent was Drug War free.
Drug Warriors brandish their extreme cowardice as a badge of pride.

Liberty isn't the problem.
Liberty is the solution.
 

EatTheRich

President
I really think a third party has a chance in 2020. Both sides look dreadful to the public right now fighting over a "wall" that in the end will do little to stop drug's coming into the U.S.
Maybe Kasich will see this as the route to go and grab a female dem as a VP and get 35 - 40% and possibly win ?
The Trump election has definitely thrown both parties into crisis.
 

Dawg

President
Supporting Member
Do you have a clue what it costs to treat a brain dead OD victim? If they all die before the ambulance arrives, your supposition makes perfect sense...
Exactly...…...Ohio OD capital of USA and once they OD, cost is over except funeral...…….

I was going to post same to the SEAR, but since he is another ARKADY diatribe poster, try to avoid his screeds

Appears he's one lonely SOB upstate NY...………..
 

Dawg

President
Supporting Member
I'm no longer a first responder. But even if I were, my experience would be anecdotal. So I rely on the studies, the reports from responsible sources such as NYT & WSJ. And over time (decades) these reports seem to corroborate one another. So I'm fairly confident in the basic reliability of my information, even if one niggling detail or another is off by a few pennies. Broad scale trends are sufficient for this particular casual conversation.

WHATEVER the cost, the preponderance of reports I've read of it indicate the nations with both lower per capita healthcare costs AND better healthcare outcomes tend to be cycling down their own Drug Wars; reportedly to the benefit of the nation as a whole.
"niggling"...……...niggardly use cost a teacher their JOB
 

Dawg

President
Supporting Member
Wall Street's Narco Laundromat Blocks a Manly Solution to This Social Disease

Poison the drug supply. These escapist scumbags are not "victims." The misfits who preach that they ares have nothing but vindictive contempt for the victims of the crimes druggies commit.
would surely reduce the number of drug users...………

CIA can make it happen just like they did the CLAP
 

Dawg

President
Supporting Member
As usual under a Republican administration.
when the lib loses, yes, under repubs due to panty waste libs can't handle being told no or not getting a trophy for losing...……….GET A DAMN JOB

you really going to say drug users lower under dem admins?

shame you wasn't around during LBJ...………..

Hell, you'd have loved Marion Barry and his glass pipe...………...
 

afella

Mayor
It's the beat of both worlds, so to speak. While I dont agree with the whole libertarian platform, it's the party I vote for almost exclusively. I do still vote for democrats and Republicans in local elections, up to state offices.

The largest problem I've come across with the party is their lack of solidarity and in fighting. It's a large mix of liberals and conservatives and they bring the same vitriol rhetoric with them to the cohesion of the party. Theres just to much in fighting.

An example. I would break from the LP in regards to a single payer healthcare system, and would be ridiculed by the conservative element as being a socialist scum or Democrat. They would then point out "this is the problem with the libertarian party".

Another example. I would say that no regulation on firearms and their ownership is the policy we should pursue. The liberal members would call me a GOP shill. And say the same about the problems of the libertarian party.


The premise of the LP is personal freedom from government interference. That concept needs to be understood before a person votes for the LP. It's also a position that most democrat and republican supporters have an issue with, they really do want to tell you how to live. If a person cant grasp the concept they will have a hard time supporting the psrty.

The LP, and other third parties, are also suppressed through voting percentages required for debates and other various necessities of running a political campaign.

I will continue voting for the LP candidates that are on the ballot.
 
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