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ZING way over his intellect
Mmmmm Phil seems to be encouraging a very poor imitation of what we once had - which cannot be replaced or reenacted - it is of the past and in the past it was not encouraged by mods at all, to put it mildly - for whatever it might have grown into being over moderating killed, or rather crippled, in Mins forceful wish to turn us all into mediocre intellectuals or be banned - is it regret of that that Phil is trying to make up for perhaps?

I understand admin wanting an influx of new posters but encouraging this particular one is not understandable, at all but hey, each to their own.
 

PhilFish

Administrator
Staff member
Mmmmm Phil seems to be encouraging a very poor imitation of what we once had - which cannot be replaced or reenacted - it is of the past and in the past it was not encouraged by mods at all, to put it mildly - for whatever it might have grown into being over moderating killed, or rather crippled, in Mins forceful wish to turn us all into mediocre intellectuals or be banned - is it regret of that that Phil is trying to make up for perhaps?

I understand admin wanting an influx of new posters but encouraging this particular one is not understandable, at all but hey, each to their own.

Huh. Not hardly. Odd twisting as though some lofty intellectualism existed back then.

We thought it would be fun then too.

Seems more of a no then a yes overall . Which is fine
 

sear

Mayor
QT #65

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Seems like nostalgic whining to me.

I've found sites with one overwhelming POV.
Warlady ran one decades ago. I don't know what became of it.
It was sadly dull, as few if any had anything new to say, and ideas went uncontested, unchallenged.

We have great potential with this as a forum for differing views to contest on merit. May the best idea win.

Our newer member pseudonamed in this topic title does seem to have a predictable perspective.
But rather than condemning it, or whining about it, wouldn't it make more sense to REFUTE it?!
 
Huh. Not hardly. Odd twisting as though some lofty intellectualism existed back then.

We thought it would be fun then too.

Seems more of a no then a yes overall . Which is fine
Exactly, it didn't.

Who is we and thought what would be fun? I was specifically speaking of one mod, at the time, whose aim was loudly and often stated - at the time.

It brings back bad memories, I suspect - I don't care either way but suspect that it wouldn't work as you might like it too.
 
QT #65

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Seems like nostalgic whining to me.

I've found sites with one overwhelming POV.
Warlady ran one decades ago. I don't know what became of it.
It was sadly dull, as few if any had anything new to say, and ideas went uncontested, unchallenged.

We have great potential with this as a forum for differing views to contest on merit. May the best idea win.

Our newer member pseudonamed in this topic title does seem to have a predictable perspective.
But rather than condemning it, or whining about it, wouldn't it make more sense to REFUTE it?!
Oh shut up! Crossfire is a 'nostalgia' that none of us, who experienced it the first time around ( as posters as opposed to mods), want to relive because it was used as a prison board ie if a poster was in mods bad books and refused to sign Mins contract/pledge ( sent by e-mail) they would be locked in Crossfire and out of the main forum - and as far as I know are still there!

It is a can of worms ---------------- but open it if you please - no skin off my nose.
 

sear

Mayor
QT #69

You apparently entirely miss the constructive potential of #67.

I'm not an advocate for preferring external censorship, nor am I an anarchist.

As a conservative I advocate and demonstrate SELF-control.
 

sear

Mayor
PS

Perhaps you and I (& others) are victims of a vague proposal.
Your concern seems to be that the previous iteration was:

used as a prison board

BUT !!
The proposal I read was merely that standards of civility would be relaxed there, not that entrance or exit would be restricted.
 
QT #69

You apparently entirely miss the constructive potential of #67.

I'm not an advocate for preferring external censorship, nor am I an anarchist.

As a conservative I advocate and demonstrate SELF-control.
What ever you were trying to say you were being condescending.

Telling others to control themselves, to behave in a prescribed manner, prescribed by someone other than the one in question - is where we get ourselves into the mire that it is being put forth that another Crossfire would unstick us from.

This is an old dispute which is way past being resolved because of the harm already done imho - but as things are now moderating is quite gentle ( comparatively so anyway) in PJ and the past is the past - is there any point in raking it up again?

I dunno - if its function were carefully thought out and it did not become a prison cell again - and it was renamed - maybe it could be a good addition. For eg for discussion for anything outside actual current events to be moved into it for a free for all but I don't think it should be exclusive.

I dunno ----------------------- I just can't see the nature of PJ changing - no matter what admin choses to change.
 
PS

Perhaps you and I (& others) are victims of a vague proposal.
Your concern seems to be that the previous iteration was:

used as a prison board

BUT !!
The proposal I read was merely that standards of civility would be relaxed there, not that entrance or exit would be restricted.
Then admin should change the name and not make it exclusive ..... Phil suggested bringing Crossfire back. Crossfire was exclusive - only those who signed up to enter could read it or participate in it - no one outside it could be mentioned in Crossfire and it was used as a prison ie instead of banning posters they were locked into Crossfire alone - perma or temp.

Phil's memory is being exclusive, me thinks --------------

Like some of the mods on the Left changing the text in Righty posters posts and laughing about it in their faces - then banning them when they complained. It was a horrible time on PJ - that is when I left here for a while - it was horrible and Crossfire was the worst of it.
 
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PhilFish

Administrator
Staff member
Then admin should change the name and not make it exclusive ..... Phil suggested bringing Crossfire back. Crossfire was exclusive - only those who signed up to enter could read it or participate in it - no one outside it could be mentioned in Crossfire and it was used as a prison ie instead of banning posters they were locked into Crossfire alone - perma or temp.

Phil's memory is being exclusive, me thinks --------------

Like some of the mods on the Left changing the text in Righty posters posts and laughing about it in their faces - then banning them when they complained. It was a horrible time on PJ - that is when I left here for a while - it was horrible and Crossfire was the worst of it.

Sigh.

Phil's memory is quite fine. Call it something else, it not at all. But don't call it a prison. That wasn't its purpose. That is what it would up being due to a select few not being able to control themselves and attacking the then owner. Nothing more nothing less. But don't rewrite what was.
 
Sigh.

Phil's memory is quite fine. Call it something else, it not at all. But don't call it a prison. That wasn't its purpose. That is what it would up being due to a select few not being able to control themselves and attacking the then owner. Nothing more nothing less. But don't rewrite what was.
The danger being that that is what it would be used for again if set up in the same manner.

When ever I visited the place it was only the cons and those going in to goad them, including Min - it was horrible. I was still in the Lefty camp at that time but what happened then is, to a very great extent, why I changed my alliances.

I am just pointing out that it was not simply a free for all board -
 

sear

Mayor
QT #78

I never asserted it was your name. I quoted a MOC, Republican I imagine.
And I may condescend frequently. But you have yet to cite a first example.
 

PNWest

America's BEST American: Impartial and Bipartisan
Dawg and the rest of us who were here in the time of PJ's first owner got paid for our posts, which is, in part, why we all posted so much in the first year - what is your excuse?
Ahhhhh... the Queen is back following me again. One of my very few regrets here was the fear that you had actually spoken the truth when you talked about ignoring me. I didn't think it was possible for you to do so and obviously you can't.

Why so many posts?

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