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Global Warming? Really?

reason10

Governor
https://weather.com/
BLIZZARD WARNINGS IN SIX STATES

As of Wednesday afternoon, Wesley had not stregthened enough to meet the most commonly used definition of "bomb cyclone," which is a surface pressure drop of 24 millibars in 24 hours. However, if you adjust for latitude, Wesley has strengthened sufficiently to meet the definition, according to NOAA Weather Prediction Center senior forecaster David Roth. According to Weather Underground meteorologist Bob Henson, nontropical low-pressure systems tend to be weaker at lower latitudes. The original 1980 study that coined the term "bomb" therefore suggested adjusting the more common definition by latitude.

Happening Now
Snow from Wesley is ongoing across the northern and central Rockies, as well the northern Plains and parts of Minnesota and Wisconsin.

Snow is piling up, especially in northern South Dakota, where several spots have already seen more than 10 inches.


I guess the planet is NOT warming and the poles are NOT melting. Now you know why the idiots wanted to change the crisis to Climate Change, (which is equally bullshit)

Prediction:
SOME idiot liberal here will try to spin this.





Just watch.
 

Days

Commentator
Whether you call it global warming or climate change, the idea behind the "science" is the same... the idiots still think that the atmosphere retains heat.

The atmosphere does not retain heat.

The idiots are trying to push the idea that the atmosphere has retained a couple of degrees of heat over the past few decades. Right now, it is 50 degrees colder outside than it was yesterday. The atmosphere temperature lost 50 degrees in 24 hours, but the idiots think the same atmosphere has retained a couple of degrees over the past quarter century.

So where did yesterday's heat go? We know where it went, it rose and dissipated in the upper atmosphere... yesterday's heat is gone, and yet these idiots still think that the atmosphere is retaining a couple of degrees over the past couple of decades. So, they would say that the heat is still there, even though it is 50 degrees cooler... so where is that heat hiding? That 50 degrees isn't hiding anywhere, the entire atmosphere has cooled off, all 8 miles of it. Pretending that heat is retained from decade to decade when it isn't even retained from day to day is totally stupid, pretending that the temperature dropped 50 degrees because the atmosphere is retaining heat is completely illogical, it is sheer idiocy.
 
Whether you call it global warming or climate change, the idea behind the "science" is the same... the idiots still think that the atmosphere retains heat.

The atmosphere does not retain heat.

The idiots are trying to push the idea that the atmosphere has retained a couple of degrees of heat over the past few decades. Right now, it is 50 degrees colder outside than it was yesterday. The atmosphere temperature lost 50 degrees in 24 hours, but the idiots think the same atmosphere has retained a couple of degrees over the past quarter century.

So where did yesterday's heat go? We know where it went, it rose and dissipated in the upper atmosphere... yesterday's heat is gone, and yet these idiots still think that the atmosphere is retaining a couple of degrees over the past couple of decades. So, they would say that the heat is still there, even though it is 50 degrees cooler... so where is that heat hiding? That 50 degrees isn't hiding anywhere, the entire atmosphere has cooled off, all 8 miles of it. Pretending that heat is retained from decade to decade when it isn't even retained from day to day is totally stupid, pretending that the temperature dropped 50 degrees because the atmosphere is retaining heat is completely illogical, it is sheer idiocy.
I tend to listen to non-published experts on blogs before agreeing with peer reviewed experts who defend their conclusions among other experts before the experts publicize their findings. I find that a source found on a blog is far more reliable and based upon science, intimate knowledge and years of study then anything you find in academia or within national science foundations. I also am petitioning NASA to stop employing PHDs in Physics, Mathematics, Chemistry, Biology, Cosmology, Astronomy, Thermodynamics and other such wasteful doctorates in favor of bloggers such as we find here giving us their learned scientific analysis.
 

Days

Commentator
I tend to listen to non-published experts on blogs before agreeing with peer reviewed experts who defend their conclusions among other experts before the experts publicize their findings. I find that a source found on a blog is far more reliable and based upon science, intimate knowledge and years of study then anything you find in academia or within national science foundations. I also am petitioning NASA to stop employing PHDs in Physics, Mathematics, Chemistry, Biology, Cosmology, Astronomy, Thermodynamics and other such wasteful doctorates in favor of bloggers such as we find here giving us their learned scientific analysis.
Not Actually Science Anyway

All they are doing is statistical method. It is not thermodynamics.

Databasing surface temps and then using it to run weather programs, software that was developed to model weather projections, is not science.

Saying that the mean temp has risen, does not equal the atmosphere retaining heat. One is statistical method, the other requires the heat to actually be retained somewhere. When you have a number on paper for heat that has already left the system... you have nothing. When your numbers claim that heat is being retained and the atmosphere is slowly warming, when the atmosphere doesn't retain heat... idiocy from experts is still idiocy.
 

EatTheRich

President
https://weather.com/
BLIZZARD WARNINGS IN SIX STATES

As of Wednesday afternoon, Wesley had not stregthened enough to meet the most commonly used definition of "bomb cyclone," which is a surface pressure drop of 24 millibars in 24 hours. However, if you adjust for latitude, Wesley has strengthened sufficiently to meet the definition, according to NOAA Weather Prediction Center senior forecaster David Roth. According to Weather Underground meteorologist Bob Henson, nontropical low-pressure systems tend to be weaker at lower latitudes. The original 1980 study that coined the term "bomb" therefore suggested adjusting the more common definition by latitude.

Happening Now
Snow from Wesley is ongoing across the northern and central Rockies, as well the northern Plains and parts of Minnesota and Wisconsin.

Snow is piling up, especially in northern South Dakota, where several spots have already seen more than 10 inches.


I guess the planet is NOT warming and the poles are NOT melting. Now you know why the idiots wanted to change the crisis to Climate Change, (which is equally bullshit)

Prediction:
SOME idiot liberal here will try to spin this.





Just watch.
Average global temperatures are up (as they were in April). Warming by 50-60 degrees Fahrenheit in the Arctic is displacing cold air masses from the stratosphere which are coming down and wreaking havoc on people south of a jet stream that has been weakened by global warming.
 

EatTheRich

President
Whether you call it global warming or climate change, the idea behind the "science" is the same... the idiots still think that the atmosphere retains heat.

The atmosphere does not retain heat.

The idiots are trying to push the idea that the atmosphere has retained a couple of degrees of heat over the past few decades. Right now, it is 50 degrees colder outside than it was yesterday. The atmosphere temperature lost 50 degrees in 24 hours, but the idiots think the same atmosphere has retained a couple of degrees over the past quarter century.

So where did yesterday's heat go? We know where it went, it rose and dissipated in the upper atmosphere... yesterday's heat is gone, and yet these idiots still think that the atmosphere is retaining a couple of degrees over the past couple of decades. So, they would say that the heat is still there, even though it is 50 degrees cooler... so where is that heat hiding? That 50 degrees isn't hiding anywhere, the entire atmosphere has cooled off, all 8 miles of it. Pretending that heat is retained from decade to decade when it isn't even retained from day to day is totally stupid, pretending that the temperature dropped 50 degrees because the atmosphere is retaining heat is completely illogical, it is sheer idiocy.
The whole point of the physical mechanism behind greenhouse warming is that it slows the radiation of heat from the troposphere into the stratosphere and beyond.
 

Ms. Truth

Council Member
Whether you call it global warming or climate change, the idea behind the "science" is the same... the idiots still think that the atmosphere retains heat.

The atmosphere does not retain heat.

The idiots are trying to push the idea that the atmosphere has retained a couple of degrees of heat over the past few decades. Right now, it is 50 degrees colder outside than it was yesterday. The atmosphere temperature lost 50 degrees in 24 hours, but the idiots think the same atmosphere has retained a couple of degrees over the past quarter century.

So where did yesterday's heat go? We know where it went, it rose and dissipated in the upper atmosphere... yesterday's heat is gone, and yet these idiots still think that the atmosphere is retaining a couple of degrees over the past couple of decades. So, they would say that the heat is still there, even though it is 50 degrees cooler... so where is that heat hiding? That 50 degrees isn't hiding anywhere, the entire atmosphere has cooled off, all 8 miles of it. Pretending that heat is retained from decade to decade when it isn't even retained from day to day is totally stupid, pretending that the temperature dropped 50 degrees because the atmosphere is retaining heat is completely illogical, it is sheer idiocy.
This isn't really rocket science you know.

It's called global warming so take temps around the world, average them out, and see if it is rising or falling.

Guess what it is doing?

Naw, I won't spoil it for you.
 

Days

Commentator
This isn't really rocket science you know.

It's called global warming so take temps around the world, average them out, and see if it is rising or falling.

Guess what it is doing?

Naw, I won't spoil it for you.
It isn't really science at all, it is data-basing surface temps and inserting the data into weather forecasting models...

which only works if the atmosphere retains heat. Do you understand what "retains" means? In order for their models to work, the atmosphere must retain heat for the period of time they are inserting into the software. Let's say you read where some journalist proclaims that the scientists have determined that the earth's surface temps have risen 1 degree C in the past 25 years; for that to be valid, the atmosphere must be capable of retaining heat for the past 25 years.

The atmosphere doesn't retain heat, heat passes through the atmosphere. You are correct, this isn't rocket science, it is 5th grade science... heat rises through the atmosphere. Water evaporates into water vapor and rises about 8 miles into the atmosphere where it cools and condenses into rain. The heat that was absorbed on the surface to evaporate the water is released 8 miles up when condensing the water vapor. Neither carbon dioxide nor any other gas in the atmosphere stops water vapor from rising and to the best of my knowledge, it is still raining all over the earth daily... which means those surface temps recorded in their data bases are not retained in the atmosphere, the heat rises through the atmosphere and is dissipated into the upper atmosphere. We call that process "rain" ... and it cools the atmosphere.
 

EatTheRich

President
It isn't really science at all, it is data-basing surface temps and inserting the data into weather forecasting models...

which only works if the atmosphere retains heat. Do you understand what "retains" means? In order for their models to work, the atmosphere must retain heat for the period of time they are inserting into the software. Let's say you read where some journalist proclaims that the scientists have determined that the earth's surface temps have risen 1 degree C in the past 25 years; for that to be valid, the atmosphere must be capable of retaining heat for the past 25 years.

The atmosphere doesn't retain heat, heat passes through the atmosphere. You are correct, this isn't rocket science, it is 5th grade science... heat rises through the atmosphere. Water evaporates into water vapor and rises about 8 miles into the atmosphere where it cools and condenses into rain. The heat that was absorbed on the surface to evaporate the water is released 8 miles up when condensing the water vapor. Neither carbon dioxide nor any other gas in the atmosphere stops water vapor from rising and to the best of my knowledge, it is still raining all over the earth daily... which means those surface temps recorded in their data bases are not retained in the atmosphere, the heat rises through the atmosphere and is dissipated into the upper atmosphere. We call that process "rain" ... and it cools the atmosphere.
It takes a certain amount of heat to raise the temperature of a certain mass by a certain amount. Most of Earth’s heat comes from the sun, and the Earth also radiates heat back onto space. Greenhouse gases slow the rate at which the Earth radiates heat, warming the Earth.
 

Days

Commentator
It takes a certain amount of heat to raise the temperature of a certain mass by a certain amount. Most of Earth’s heat comes from the sun, and the Earth also radiates heat back onto space. Greenhouse gases slow the rate at which the Earth radiates heat, warming the Earth.
It takes a certain amount of heat to raise the temperature of a certain mass by a certain amount. Most of Earth’s heat comes from the sun, and the Earth also radiates heat back onto space. Greenhouse gases slow the rate at which the Earth radiates heat, warming the Earth.
So it doesn't rain as much as it used to? Rain drops fall slower than they used to? Rain now goes up and water vapor now goes down? Water does not absorb as much heat as it used to, when evaporating? Water vapor doesn't discharge as much heat as it used to, when condensing? What did you say? The earth is getting warmer? How about the atmosphere? Aren't greenhouse gases in the atmosphere?

It takes heat to warm things? you don't say.
The sun warms the earth? whodathunkit

How about responding to the post you are replying to? just a thought.
 

EatTheRich

President
So it doesn't rain as much as it used to? Rain drops fall slower than they used to? Rain now goes up and water vapor now goes down? Water does not absorb as much heat as it used to, when evaporating? Water vapor doesn't discharge as much heat as it used to, when condensing? What did you say? The earth is getting warmer? How about the atmosphere? Aren't greenhouse gases in the atmosphere?

It takes heat to warm things? you don't say.
The sun warms the earth? whodathunkit

How about responding to the post you are replying to? just a thought.
No, it rains more than it used to because there is more water in the atmosphere most of the time.
 

Days

Commentator
No, it rains more than it used to because there is more water in the atmosphere most of the time.
Really? You do know I was being sarcastic, right?

R U actually claiming that there's more global rainfall every year going forward? That's amazing.

Let me guess... greenhouse gases in the air are absorbing more sunlight, before it can get to the surface of the oceans, causing less water to evaporate, which produces more rain... how did I do?
 

EatTheRich

President
Really? You do know I was being sarcastic, right?

R U actually claiming that there's more global rainfall every year going forward? That's amazing.

Let me guess... greenhouse gases in the air are absorbing more sunlight, before it can get to the surface of the oceans, causing less water to evaporate, which produces more rain... how did I do?
No. The way greenhouse gases heat the air is that they do not absorb energy in the visible light/high frequency infrared range coming from the sun, but they do absorb energy in the lower frequency infrared range radiated by the Earth. As they do, they heat the atmosphere and this heating of the atmosphere causes more water to evaporate. Eventually this water exits the atmosphere as rain (or snow, hail, etc.), an exothermic or heat-releasing reaction.
 

Days

Commentator
No. The way greenhouse gases heat the air is that they do not absorb energy in the visible light/high frequency infrared range coming from the sun, but they do absorb energy in the lower frequency infrared range radiated by the Earth. As they do, they heat the atmosphere and this heating of the atmosphere causes more water to evaporate. Eventually this water exits the atmosphere as rain (or snow, hail, etc.), an exothermic or heat-releasing reaction.
.... So, the almost non-existent radiation of infra-red frequency electro-magnetic waves from the earth (less than one trillionth the energy of the sun's rays) is warming the almost non-existent percent of the atmosphere (less than one tenth of one percent) that you claim is blocking water vapor from rising... and that is causing more water to evaporate?

Duder, remember 5th grade science? Water evaporates into water vapor from our oceans... Remember what does that? Sunlight? How does that work?

Lessee, the sun's radiation shines on the water, heats it up, and provides the enormous amount of heat necessary to change the state from liquid to gas.

Now you are telling me that something like one quadrillionth the amount of heat that is radiating into the ocean surface from the sun is suddenly being generated up in the atmosphere because of human industry; where it rises further up into the atmosphere, is somehow evaporating a quantifiable volume of water from our oceans? If your theory of heat generation wasn't ridiculous, except locally, it still isn't present at the surface of the oceans, it is evaporating exactly zero water, not a single drop.

Rainfall might be increasing because of more heat occuring at the surface of the earth... but that heat is not the result of human industry. Like I said to you five years ago, sure there is heat being produced in the atmosphere, but it is insignificant in volume and it is rising, not dropping, it exits the system with the water vapor heat.
 
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EatTheRich

President
.... So, the almost non-existent radiation of infra-red frequency electro-magnetic waves from the earth (less than one trillionth the energy of the sun's rays) is warming the almost non-existent percent of the atmosphere (less than one tenth of one percent) that you claim is blocking water vapor from rising... and that is causing more water to evaporate?

Duder, remember 5th grade science? Water evaporates into water vapor from our oceans... Remember what does that? Sunlight? How does that work?

Lessee, the sun's radiation shines on the water, heats it up, and provides the enormous amount of heat necessary to change the state from liquid to gas.

Now you are telling me that something like one quadrillionth the amount of heat that is radiating into the ocean surface from the sun is suddenly being generated up in the atmosphere because of human industry; where it rises further up into the atmosphere, is somehow evaporating a quantifiable volume of water from our oceans? If your theory of heat generation wasn't ridiculous, except locally, it still isn't present at the surface of the oceans, it is evaporating exactly zero water, not a single drop.

Rainfall might be increasing because of more heat occuring at the surface of the earth... but that heat is not the result of human industry. Like I said to you five years ago, sure there is heat being produced in the atmosphere, but it is insignificant in volume and it is rising, not dropping, it exits the system with the water vapor heat.
You’re just wrong. All the heat from the sun that hits the Earth is radiated by the Earth back into space. That is what your garbled notions about “heat rising” get right. But this radiation of heat away from the Earth, after the Earth is heated by the sun, is slowed when the radiation excites greenhouse gas molecules in the air, causing them to radiate heat in all directions including back toward the Earth.
 

Days

Commentator
You’re just wrong. All the heat from the sun that hits the Earth is radiated by the Earth back into space. That is what your garbled notions about “heat rising” get right. But this radiation of heat away from the Earth, after the Earth is heated by the sun, is slowed when the radiation excites greenhouse gas molecules in the air, causing them to radiate heat in all directions including back toward the Earth.
All the heat from the sun's radiation is produced by the earth absorbing that radiation. Any radiation that isn't absorbed, is not turned into heat. capice? Radiation that is reflected back into space, is not absorbed as heat in the first place. There was nothing garbled about the idea that heat rises, it is straight forward and simple; heat rises, it rises through our oceans and it rises through our atmosphere. However, your notion that the earth is re-radiating all the sun's rays back into space is garbled as hell, duder, the sun's rays are absorbed into the water and that heat is used up changing water from a liquid state into a gaseous state; if we are getting more rain, then more heat is being absorbed from the sun's rays, because that is the only way to produce more water vapor.

You can't have your cake and eat it too. Either the sun's rays are being absorbed as heat, producing water vapor - or - the sun's rays are reflected without being absorbed, not producing water vapor.

Meanwhile, the earth's radiation of infra red frequency radiation is not and never had anything to do with the sun's radiation. It is it's own phenomenom and it happens in the quantities I mentioned. Pretending that the earth is turning the sun's radiation back into space is not only wrong, but it would leave us without rain; what in the hell do you think causes rain? You need to answer that: what causes rain ETR? fer crissakes
 

EatTheRich

President
All the heat from the sun's radiation is produced by the earth absorbing that radiation. Any radiation that isn't absorbed, is not turned into heat. capice? Radiation that is reflected back into space, is not absorbed as heat in the first place. There was nothing garbled about the idea that heat rises, it is straight forward and simple; heat rises, it rises through our oceans and it rises through our atmosphere. However, your notion that the earth is re-radiating all the sun's rays back into space is garbled as hell, duder, the sun's rays are absorbed into the water and that heat is used up changing water from a liquid state into a gaseous state; if we are getting more rain, then more heat is being absorbed from the sun's rays, because that is the only way to produce more water vapor.

You can't have your cake and eat it too. Either the sun's rays are being absorbed as heat, producing water vapor - or - the sun's rays are reflected without being absorbed, not producing water vapor.

Meanwhile, the earth's radiation of infra red frequency radiation is not and never had anything to do with the sun's radiation. It is it's own phenomenom and it happens in the quantities I mentioned. Pretending that the earth is turning the sun's radiation back into space is not only wrong, but it would leave us without rain; what in the hell do you think causes rain? You need to answer that: what causes rain ETR? fer crissakes
Evaporation (which along with condensation causes rain) is an endothermic reaction. It releases heat rather than consuming it. Heat does not stay in place. Heat is absorbed by the Earth, and the heat absorbed by the Earth is in turn radiated by the Earth, just as if a blacksmith heats a piece of metal on the forge that piece of metal will heat the surrounding air.
 

Days

Commentator
Evaporation (which along with condensation causes rain) is an endothermic reaction. It releases heat rather than consuming it. Heat does not stay in place. Heat is absorbed by the Earth, and the heat absorbed by the Earth is in turn radiated by the Earth, just as if a blacksmith heats a piece of metal on the forge that piece of metal will heat the surrounding air.
OMG

what causes water to turn into water vapor?

the sun's radiation is absorbed by water on the surface of the earth...

with me so far?


Heat of Vaporization and Condensation (Link)
Energy is absorbed in the process of converting a liquid at its boilingpoint into a gas. As with the melting of a solid, the temperature of a boiling liquid remains constant and the input of energy goes into changing the state. The molar heat of vaporization (ΔHvap) of a substance is the heat absorbed by one mole of that substance as it is converted from a liquid to a gas. As a gas condenses to a liquid, heat is released. The molar heat of condensation (ΔHcond) of a substance is the heat released by one mole of that substance as it is converted from a gas to a liquid. Since vaporization and condensationof a given substance are the exact opposite processes, the numerical value of the molar heat of vaporization is the same as the numerical value of the molar heat of condensation, but opposite in sign. In other words, ΔHvap=−ΔHcond.

When 1 mol of water at 100°C and 1 atm pressure is converted to 1 mol of water vapor at 100°C, 40.7 kJ of heat are absorbed from the surroundings. When 1 mol of water vapor at 100°C condenses to liquid water at 100°C, 40.7 kJ of heat are released into the surroundings.

H2O(l)→H2O(g)ΔHfus=40.7 kJ/molH2O(g)→H2O(l)ΔHsolid=−40.7 kJ/mol


what causes water vapor to condense back into rain?

the hot water vapor rises up 6 to 8 miles into the atmosphere and cools...

whereupon it discharges the heat that it absorbed in evaporation (back at the ocean's surface).


CHANGING LIQUID STATE TO GAS STATE ABSORBS HEAT, CHANGING GAS STATE TO LIQUID STATE RELEASES HEAT.

The atmosphere is a giant cooling machine ... evaporation absorbs heat at the earth's surface, then the hot water vapor rises, then condensation releases that heat in the upper atmosphere, where it dissipates into space.

You can not consume energy twice. You can not consume the sun's radiation in evaporation and still have the energy left over for re-radiation back into space; never mind that no such process exists, even if it did exist, you still can not consume the energy in evaporation and still have it for re-radiation: that would be breaking the laws of thermodynamics.
 
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EatTheRich

President
OMG

what causes water to turn into water vapor?

the sun's radiation is absorbed by water on the surface of the earth...

with me so far?


Heat of Vaporization and Condensation (Link)
Energy is absorbed in the process of converting a liquid at its boilingpoint into a gas. As with the melting of a solid, the temperature of a boiling liquid remains constant and the input of energy goes into changing the state. The molar heat of vaporization (ΔHvap) of a substance is the heat absorbed by one mole of that substance as it is converted from a liquid to a gas. As a gas condenses to a liquid, heat is released. The molar heat of condensation (ΔHcond) of a substance is the heat released by one mole of that substance as it is converted from a gas to a liquid. Since vaporization and condensationof a given substance are the exact opposite processes, the numerical value of the molar heat of vaporization is the same as the numerical value of the molar heat of condensation, but opposite in sign. In other words, ΔHvap=−ΔHcond.

When 1 mol of water at 100°C and 1 atm pressure is converted to 1 mol of water vapor at 100°C, 40.7 kJ of heat are absorbed from the surroundings. When 1 mol of water vapor at 100°C condenses to liquid water at 100°C, 40.7 kJ of heat are released into the surroundings.

H2O(l)→H2O(g)ΔHfus=40.7 kJ/molH2O(g)→H2O(l)ΔHsolid=−40.7 kJ/mol


what causes water vapor to condense back into rain?

the hot water vapor rises up 6 to 8 miles into the atmosphere and cools...

whereupon it discharges the heat that it absorbed in evaporation (back at the ocean's surface).


CHANGING LIQUID STATE TO GAS STATE ABSORBS HEAT, CHANGING GAS STATE TO LIQUID STATE RELEASES HEAT.

The atmosphere is a giant cooling machine ... evaporation absorbs heat at the earth's surface, then the hot water vapor rises, then condensation releases that heat in the upper atmosphere, where it dissipates into space.

You can not consume energy twice. You can not consume the sun's radiation in evaporation and still have the energy left over for re-radiation back into space; never mind that no such process exists, even if it did exist, you still can not consume the energy in evaporation and still have it for re-radiation: that would be breaking the laws of thermodynamics.
Obviously I misstated the facts when I said evaporation releases energy. But 1) not all heat is absorbed in evaporation. 2) rain returns heat to the surface 3) the entire troposphere is a thin layer under tremendous pressure. Clouds radiate heat toward the surface.
 
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