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So, has “the dossier” now been verified?

Bugsy McGurk

President
A central theme of Trump and his lackeys is that the Steele dossier was complete hooey, and that our intel people inappropriately considered its contents.

So, how does the accuracy of the dossier stand after the psssage of a couple of years and the issuance of the Mueller report?

Quite well, actually. It’s central themes have now been completely confirmed. Like all such documents, some of its details are still open to question, but the overall accuracy of the dossier is quite impressive.

Read about that for yourself here...

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trump–Russia_dossier
 

Max R.

On the road
Supporting Member
Obviously Trump is a chronic liar and douchebag, but the fact the Hillary campaign used foreign sources to gather dirt should be investigated just like the several criminal investigations into the Clinton Foundation should continue.
 

Mick

The Right is always right
A central theme of Trump and his lackeys is that the Steele dossier was complete hooey, and that our intel people inappropriately considered its contents.

So, how does the accuracy of the dossier stand after the psssage of a couple of years and the issuance of the Mueller report?

Quite well, actually. It’s central themes have now been completely confirmed. Like all such documents, some of its details are still open to question, but the overall accuracy of the dossier is quite impressive.

Read about that for yourself here...

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trump–Russia_dossier
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/19/us/politics/steele-dossier-mueller-report.html

Some quotes from your own alt-left news source:

"The release on Thursday of the report by the special counsel, Robert S. Mueller III, underscored what had grown clearer for months — that while many Trump aides had welcomed contacts with the Russians, some of the most sensational claims in the dossier appeared to be false, and others were impossible to prove. Mr. Mueller’s report contained over a dozen passing references to the document’s claims but no overall assessment of why so much did not check out."

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"Interviews with people familiar with Mr. Steele’s work on the dossier and the F.B.I.’s scramble to vet its claims suggest that misgivings about its reliability arose not long after the document became public — and a preoccupation of Trump opponents — in early 2017. Mr. Steele has made clear to associates that he always considered the dossier to be raw intelligence — not established facts."

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"By January 2017, F.B.I. agents had tracked down and interviewed one of Mr. Steele’s main sources, a Russian speaker from a former Soviet republic who had spent time in the West, according to a Justice Department document and three people familiar with the events, who spoke on the condition of anonymity. After questioning him about where he’d gotten his information, they suspected he might have added his own interpretations to reports passed on by his sources, one of the people said. For the F.B.I., that made it harder to decide what to trust."

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"How the dossier ended up loaded with dubious or exaggerated details remains uncertain, but the document may be the result of a high-stakes game of telephone, in which rumors and hearsay were passed from source to source."

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"Another possibility — one that Mr. Steele has not ruled out — could be Russian disinformation. That would mean that in addition to carrying out an effective attack on the Clinton campaign, Russian spymasters hedged their bets and placed a few land mines under Mr. Trump’s presidency as well.

Oleg D. Kalugin, a former K.G.B. general who now lives outside Washington, saw that as plausible. “Russia has huge experience in spreading false information,” he said."

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"Michael Cohen did not, as the dossier claimed, travel to Prague to conspire in the Russian hacking of Democrats, the Mueller report makes clear.

Similarly, Mr. Page, a foreign policy adviser, was invited to address a prestigious Moscow institute in July 2016 in what seems to have been a calculated Russian attempt to curry favor. But Mr. Mueller, after a two-year investigation involving roughly 40 F.B.I. agents and other specialists, provided no evidence to support the claim that the adviser had collected a brokerage fee for the sale of a share of the Russian oil giant Rosneft. Nor has any evidence emerged to support the dossier’s claims about D.N.C. moles, Romanian hackers, Russian pensioners — or years of Trump-Putin intelligence trading."

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"Other dossier assertions remain neither proved nor disproved, notably its claim about Mr. Trump’s alleged dalliance with prostitutes. The Mueller report says a Russian businessman texted Mr. Cohen a week before the election to say that he had “stopped the flow of tapes from Russia but not sure if there’s anything else.” The businessman, Giorgi Rtskhiladze, later said he was referring to compromising tapes of Mr. Trump — but had been told they were fake."

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Pea brain, that is one shitty document you are defending there. Thanks for humiliating yourself and leftists everywhere. Lulz
 
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RickWA

Snagglesooth
I digressed. I shouldn't stoop to his level.
Ugh. We’re all guilty of stooping at one point or another. Just take a shower, scrub vigorously, and start the penicillin IV drip straight away.

You can’t be too careful.

Better be sure your tetanus shot is current as well...
 

middleview

President
Supporting Member
Obviously Trump is a chronic liar and douchebag, but the fact the Hillary campaign used foreign sources to gather dirt should be investigated just like the several criminal investigations into the Clinton Foundation should continue.
I'm curious...what do you think it means when someone uses someone like Steele to gather info on Trump? Do you think there is a law related to it? There isn't. If you pay the guy it is for services rendered. If he does it for free it is an illegal campaign donation.

If you encourage the source to break US law to gather information then that is conspiracy.

No law was broken by Steele in gathering the info in the Dossier. He did not hack anybody's computer. He did not illegally bug anyone's home or office.

The investigation into the CGI has been going on for about 18 months and they've found nothing, but notice that nobody is threatening the agents doing the work. Nobody is calling them names. Nobody is calling it a witch hunt.
 

RickWA

Snagglesooth
I'm curious...what do you think it means when someone uses someone like Steele to gather info on Trump? Do you think there is a law related to it? There isn't. If you pay the guy it is for services rendered. If he does it for free it is an illegal campaign donation.

If you encourage the source to break US law to gather information then that is conspiracy.

No law was broken by Steele in gathering the info in the Dossier. He did not hack anybody's computer. He did not illegally bug anyone's home or office.

The investigation into the CGI has been going on for about 18 months and they've found nothing, but notice that nobody is threatening the agents doing the work. Nobody is calling them names. Nobody is calling it a witch hunt.
This is an amazing soul-sacrifice to the DNC (as usual). Good grief.
 

Spamature

President
Again, this is a direct, compensated operative of the Democratic Party. He is paid to lie.

9. OPINION AND FACT
If a poster asserts something as fact, that poster must be prepared to give sources that show it is fact.


Now if you don't mind,

I'd like to see your homework, Rick.
 

now_what

Governor
Supporting Member
9. OPINION AND FACT
If a poster asserts something as fact, that poster must be prepared to give sources that show it is fact.

Now if you don't mind,

I'd like to see your homework, Rick.
Prepare for bad excuses, then crickets.
 

Max R.

On the road
Supporting Member
I'm curious...what do you think it means when someone uses someone like Steele to gather info on Trump? Do you think there is a law related to it? There isn't. If you pay the guy it is for services rendered. If he does it for free it is an illegal campaign donation.

If you encourage the source to break US law to gather information then that is conspiracy.

No law was broken by Steele in gathering the info in the Dossier. He did not hack anybody's computer. He did not illegally bug anyone's home or office.

The investigation into the CGI has been going on for about 18 months and they've found nothing, but notice that nobody is threatening the agents doing the work. Nobody is calling them names. Nobody is calling it a witch hunt.
How do you know no laws were broken unless it's investigated?

If nothing was found that was illegal, fine.
 

Bugsy McGurk

President
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/19/us/politics/steele-dossier-mueller-report.html

Some quotes from your own alt-left news source:

"The release on Thursday of the report by the special counsel, Robert S. Mueller III, underscored what had grown clearer for months — that while many Trump aides had welcomed contacts with the Russians, some of the most sensational claims in the dossier appeared to be false, and others were impossible to prove. Mr. Mueller’s report contained over a dozen passing references to the document’s claims but no overall assessment of why so much did not check out."

----------------------
"Interviews with people familiar with Mr. Steele’s work on the dossier and the F.B.I.’s scramble to vet its claims suggest that misgivings about its reliability arose not long after the document became public — and a preoccupation of Trump opponents — in early 2017. Mr. Steele has made clear to associates that he always considered the dossier to be raw intelligence — not established facts."

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"By January 2017, F.B.I. agents had tracked down and interviewed one of Mr. Steele’s main sources, a Russian speaker from a former Soviet republic who had spent time in the West, according to a Justice Department document and three people familiar with the events, who spoke on the condition of anonymity. After questioning him about where he’d gotten his information, they suspected he might have added his own interpretations to reports passed on by his sources, one of the people said. For the F.B.I., that made it harder to decide what to trust."

----------------------
"How the dossier ended up loaded with dubious or exaggerated details remains uncertain, but the document may be the result of a high-stakes game of telephone, in which rumors and hearsay were passed from source to source."

-----------------------
"Another possibility — one that Mr. Steele has not ruled out — could be Russian disinformation. That would mean that in addition to carrying out an effective attack on the Clinton campaign, Russian spymasters hedged their bets and placed a few land mines under Mr. Trump’s presidency as well.

Oleg D. Kalugin, a former K.G.B. general who now lives outside Washington, saw that as plausible. “Russia has huge experience in spreading false information,” he said."

----------------------
"Michael Cohen did not, as the dossier claimed, travel to Prague to conspire in the Russian hacking of Democrats, the Mueller report makes clear.

Similarly, Mr. Page, a foreign policy adviser, was invited to address a prestigious Moscow institute in July 2016 in what seems to have been a calculated Russian attempt to curry favor. But Mr. Mueller, after a two-year investigation involving roughly 40 F.B.I. agents and other specialists, provided no evidence to support the claim that the adviser had collected a brokerage fee for the sale of a share of the Russian oil giant Rosneft. Nor has any evidence emerged to support the dossier’s claims about D.N.C. moles, Romanian hackers, Russian pensioners — or years of Trump-Putin intelligence trading."

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"Other dossier assertions remain neither proved nor disproved, notably its claim about Mr. Trump’s alleged dalliance with prostitutes. The Mueller report says a Russian businessman texted Mr. Cohen a week before the election to say that he had “stopped the flow of tapes from Russia but not sure if there’s anything else.” The businessman, Giorgi Rtskhiladze, later said he was referring to compromising tapes of Mr. Trump — but had been told they were fake."

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Pea brain, that is one shitty document you are defending there. Thanks for humiliating yourself and leftists everywhere. Lulz
Interesting how you completely ignored the link I gave you, which analyzes the dossier chapter and verse as to what has been verified and what has not.

But the bottom line is the same in any event. As I said above, while some details of the dossier remain in question, its central themes have been corroborated through the Mueller report and otherwise. You evade that point and yap, as always.
 

sensible don

Governor
Supporting Member
Obviously Trump is a chronic liar and douchebag, but the fact the Hillary campaign used foreign sources to gather dirt should be investigated just like the several criminal investigations into the Clinton Foundation should continue.
Great, PLEASE PUT HER IN JAIL ! If she broke the law then put her on trial and put her in jail. That way King Trump and the righties WILL STOP WHINING EVERYDAY ! No one here cares about Hillary

HTD
HTD
HTD
 

Max R.

On the road
Supporting Member
Interesting how you completely ignored the link I gave you, which analyzes the dossier chapter and verse as to what has been verified and what has not.

But the bottom line is the same in any event. As I said above, while some details of the dossier remain in question, its central themes have been corroborated through the Mueller report and otherwise. You evade that point and yap, as always.
The Mueller report is the one I trust the most. It's apolitical and, if anything, doesn't go far enough.
 

Max R.

On the road
Supporting Member
Great, PLEASE PUT HER IN JAIL !
Agreed, that's where she belongs but I doubt she'll ever be tried for her malfeasance.


...If she broke the law then put her on trial and put her in jail. That way King Trump and the righties WILL STOP WHINING EVERYDAY ! No one here cares about Hillary....
Again agreed that if she broke laws, which Comey testified she did, she should be tried and convicted. The Righties will whine about anything which they dislike same as the Lefties. Obviously you care about Hillary....a lot.
 

Bugsy McGurk

President
The Mueller report is the one I trust the most. It's apolitical and, if anything, doesn't go far enough.
Of course. But the DOJ is now in the hands of Trump’s “own Roy Cohn” - Barr - and our slide into banana republicanism is now accelerating.

If law enforcement dares to investigate el Presidente and his cronies - even when a foreign nation illegally attacks our national election - those law enforcement officials are to be persecuted. A lesson from el Presidente to those who may consider such an investigation in the future, and punishment for those who sought to protect the nation.
 

Winston

Do you feel lucky, Punk
A central theme of Trump and his lackeys is that the Steele dossier was complete hooey, and that our intel people inappropriately considered its contents.

So, how does the accuracy of the dossier stand after the psssage of a couple of years and the issuance of the Mueller report?

Quite well, actually. It’s central themes have now been completely confirmed. Like all such documents, some of its details are still open to question, but the overall accuracy of the dossier is quite impressive.

Read about that for yourself here...

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trump–Russia_dossier
Yes the dossier is verified as your wet dream
 

Nutty Cortez

Dummy (D) NY
Someone used wikipedia as a source ?

Dumber yet- someone is STILL fawning already an already proven piece of fiction ?

UNDER OATH

(CNN)A newly released snippet of a deposition with the ex-British spy behind the Trump-Russia dossier describes some of the steps he took to verify information he collected for it in 2016, including pulling from a user-generated citizen journalism initiative by CNN, iReport, which no longer operates.

Christopher Steele admitted during a lawsuit deposition that he used internet searches and unverified information to support details he had gathered about a web company mentioned in the dossier, according to select pages of his deposition transcript that a federal court unsealed this week.
 

Bugsy McGurk

President
Someone used wikipedia as a source ?

Dumber yet- someone is STILL fawning already an already proven piece of fiction ?

UNDER OATH

(CNN)A newly released snippet of a deposition with the ex-British spy behind the Trump-Russia dossier describes some of the steps he took to verify information he collected for it in 2016, including pulling from a user-generated citizen journalism initiative by CNN, iReport, which no longer operates.

Christopher Steele admitted during a lawsuit deposition that he used internet searches and unverified information to support details he had gathered about a web company mentioned in the dossier, according to select pages of his deposition transcript that a federal court unsealed this week.
Let me know if you can refute anything in the linked piece.

Or, just keep mindlessly yapping.

I think I know which path you will choose.

;-)
 
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