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The popular vote isn't a thing

Raoul_Luke

I feel a bit lightheaded. Maybe you should drive.
He didn't get to be president because of policies...he won the EC because it was Hillary. Biden would have kicked his ass.
And the Russians…don't forget the Russians. So you think Biden chose not to run because he thought Hillary would make a better POTUS than him? That, of course, is absurd. He didn't run because he knew there was going to be a voter backlash because of the failures of the Obama Administration (of which he was a large part). And now he is figuring there will be a similar backlash against the Trump hot mess of a Presidency.
 

Raoul_Luke

I feel a bit lightheaded. Maybe you should drive.
So the 2 biggest borrow and spend presidents ever can be elected with a minority of the vote?
Obama won a majority of the vote and nobody ran up more debt than him, so you're kind of glossing over that to make a point your premise doesn't support.
 

middleview

President
Supporting Member
It's sitting home on election day because they are confident the electors are going to their preferred candidate regardless of how many of them show up to vote.

The real point is that you are either carelessly or purposefully obfuscating the almost certain effects of doing away with the EC - a nation with governance that looks more and more like Chicago's.
You think that explains the low turnout among republicans in California?
 

Raoul_Luke

I feel a bit lightheaded. Maybe you should drive.
“Moderate” government is what has gotten us to the point of unchecked climate change, Nazis marching in the streets to presidential approbation, permanent war, the imperial presidency, long-term economic crisis, the surveillance state, and the pornographication of politics.
All it does is slow down the societal decline. The idea that leftist control will produce a better national outcome is belied by the rate of decline and decay in every major city that has been under the control of the Democrats for the past several decades.
 

middleview

President
Supporting Member
Obama won a majority of the vote and nobody ran up more debt than him, so you're kind of glossing over that to make a point your premise doesn't support.
He also won the EC...there goes your favorite argument.

Reagan/Bush quadrupled the national debt. "W" doubled it. Obama just about doubled it again. You think all that deficit spending is equivalent in purpose. It isn't.

Reagan dealt with a recession with tax cuts and a stimulus....but his stimulus was defense spending. GHW Bush made a promise he couldn't keep...no new taxes. So he cut spending and raised taxes...handing Clinton a recession in 1993. "W" had a minor recession, but his tax cuts were simply to pay back his base....no other reason. "It's your money, I'm gonna give it back to you". The result of that and two wars was a $6 trillion addition to the debt...and a major recession. Obama's deficits were both decreases in revenue, due to that recession and an increase in spending....due to that recession.
 

Raoul_Luke

I feel a bit lightheaded. Maybe you should drive.
He also won the EC...there goes your favorite argument.

Reagan/Bush quadrupled the national debt. "W" doubled it. Obama just about doubled it again. You think all that deficit spending is equivalent in purpose. It isn't.

Reagan dealt with a recession with tax cuts and a stimulus....but his stimulus was defense spending. GHW Bush made a promise he couldn't keep...no new taxes. So he cut spending and raised taxes...handing Clinton a recession in 1993. "W" had a minor recession, but his tax cuts were simply to pay back his base....no other reason. "It's your money, I'm gonna give it back to you". The result of that and two wars was a $6 trillion addition to the debt...and a major recession. Obama's deficits were both decreases in revenue, due to that recession and an increase in spending....due to that recession.
No that kind of was my point - Obama won the EC and still borrowed and spent us into oblivion.

Obama's deficits were primarily the result of his inability to produce an economic recovery.
 

middleview

President
Supporting Member
No that kind of was my point - Obama won the EC and still borrowed and spent us into oblivion.

Obama's deficits were primarily the result of his inability to produce an economic recovery.
And "W"s deficits? Primarily the result of his ability to crash the economy? Reagan/Bush's deficits? You're logic is laughable.

Why is Trump running a trillion dollar deficit in a booming economy?
 

middleview

President
Supporting Member
And the Russians…don't forget the Russians. So you think Biden chose not to run because he thought Hillary would make a better POTUS than him? That, of course, is absurd. He didn't run because he knew there was going to be a voter backlash because of the failures of the Obama Administration (of which he was a large part). And now he is figuring there will be a similar backlash against the Trump hot mess of a Presidency.
I think it was more that the top ranks of the democratic party leaned on Biden to not run...or it simply could have been family and the death of his son.

If Obama could have run again Trump would have lost....why do you think Trump didn't run in 2012? Obama's approval rating in November 2016 was 57%

https://www.politico.com/story/2016/11/poll-obama-approval-rating-231789
 

EatTheRich

President
All it does is slow down the societal decline. The idea that leftist control will produce a better national outcome is belied by the rate of decline and decay in every major city that has been under the control of the Democrats for the past several decades.
As well as every major city that had been under the control of the Republicans. As well as the countryside. It’s almost as if capitalism were the problem.
 

Raoul_Luke

I feel a bit lightheaded. Maybe you should drive.
I think it was more that the top ranks of the democratic party leaned on Biden to not run...or it simply could have been family and the death of his son.

If Obama could have run again Trump would have lost....why do you think Trump didn't run in 2012? Obama's approval rating in November 2016 was 57%

https://www.politico.com/story/2016/11/poll-obama-approval-rating-231789
I think the fact that Obama hasn't endorsed Joe this go round tells us all we need to know about why he didn't run in 2016. An incumbent VP running without the endorsement of the POTUS is the kiss of death. He's hoping it won't be so glaringly obvious this time around.

Maybe Obama would have won - after all so did FDR after eight years of a failed economic agenda. The low information voters believed him when he said that was all the better we could expect. Of course we know now that was complete bullshit.
 

Raoul_Luke

I feel a bit lightheaded. Maybe you should drive.
Exactly why we should go to the popular vote....
Um, not really. Unless your idea of "fairness" is to allow the people who have destroyed the coastal population centers to ruin the 95% of the nation's land mass that they do not already control, so the rest of us can share in their misery. Look, if there was an ounce of benefit in this proposal for the Republicans, some of them would be endorsing it. The fact that none are tells us all we need to know about the "middle" view behind the effort to do away with the EC. And it doesn't take a rocket scientist to understand the impetus for this movement - the mass exodus of people from the Democrat controlled cities and states. The left understands full well that the mask is coming off of the fiscal decline their policy agenda produces, and getting control over the entire country by federalizing their socialist agenda is the only way to keep the Ponzi scheme afloat for another couple of generations.
 

middleview

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Supporting Member
To claim that we're infringing on their freedom because a simple majority want to rob us and a minority can possibly stop them ... only out of the mouth of a leftist. Pathetic
George W. Bush won by -500,000 votes and doubled the national debt while having complete control over congress....I wish you'd pay attention to the details....
 

kaz

Small l libertarian
I think the fact that Obama hasn't endorsed Joe this go round tells us all we need to know about why he didn't run in 2016. An incumbent VP running without the endorsement of the POTUS is the kiss of death. He's hoping it won't be so glaringly obvious this time around.

Maybe Obama would have won - after all so did FDR after eight years of a failed economic agenda. The low information voters believed him when he said that was all the better we could expect. Of course we know now that was complete bullshit.
That's why Democrats are relying so heavily on identity politics and race whoring, they are trying to talk about anything BUT the economy
 

Raoul_Luke

I feel a bit lightheaded. Maybe you should drive.
George W. Bush won by -500,000 votes and doubled the national debt while having complete control over congress....I wish you'd pay attention to the details....
What do you think full control by the democrats is going to produce? The United States of Chicago - that's what!
 

kaz

Small l libertarian
What do you think full control by the democrats is going to produce? The United States of Chicago - that's what!
I've spent a lot of time working in Europe. Everyone there pays high taxes. They view it as everyone pays, everyone gets the massive socialist infrastructure. Sure, there are whacked out leftists, like the Democrats, but they are a minority over there. The Democrats are a particularly hard core virulent strain of Marxists who are in it far more for class warfare and destroying the rich than the typical Europeans are. That's why we are headed to be Chicago or Venezuela. Hate sells, and it's that Democrats are offering
 
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