The popular vote isn't a thing

[middleview]

After Republicans took control of Congress.

Do you think he should have cut government spending in 2009? How? Stand by and watch GM and Chrysler go chapter 7 liquidation? Add a million more people to unemployment. Cut defense spending? Stop unemployment insurance payments?
Raise taxes?

The economy started turning around in 2010. Tax revenue in 2007 was $2.57 trillion. In 2008 it was $2.52...dropped to $2.10 trillion...by 2011 it was up to $2.3 trillion.

Bush delivered the worst economy since 1929 to Obama.

https://www.thebalance.com/current-u-s-federal-government-tax-revenue-3305762

 

[middleview]

What do you think full control by the democrats is going to produce? The United States of Chicago - that's what!

What makes you think the popular vote means full control by the democrats, Chicken Little?

 

[middleview]

I've spent a lot of time working in Europe. Everyone there pays high taxes. They view it as everyone pays, everyone gets the massive socialist infrastructure. Sure, there are whacked out leftists, like the Democrats, but they are a minority over there. The Democrats are a particularly hard core virulent strain of Marxists who are in it far more for class warfare and destroying the rich than the typical Europeans are. That's why we are headed to be Chicago or Venezuela. Hate sells, and it's that Democrats are offering

Fear sells even better...and that is what you are pushing.

 

[Raoul_Luke]

Do you think he should have cut government spending in 2009? How? Stand by and watch GM and Chrysler go chapter 7 liquidation? Add a million more people to unemployment. Cut defense spending? Stop unemployment insurance payments?
Raise taxes?

The economy started turning around in 2010. Tax revenue in 2007 was $2.57 trillion. In 2008 it was $2.52...dropped to $2.10 trillion...by 2011 it was up to $2.3 trillion.

Bush delivered the worst economy since 1929 to Obama.

https://www.thebalance.com/current-u-s-federal-government-tax-revenue-3305762

You mean like Harding did in 1920? Absolutely:

https://mises.org/library/forgotten-depression-1920

We'd now be enjoying the "Roaring Teens!"

 

[redtide]

You guys are all for "affirmative action" for minorities, until the minority is majority white. And you call US "racists?"

not to mention that affirmative action is an extremly racist policy and all the " un-intended consequences" were actually designed to be the sole reasons for the hate based policy

 

[Raoul_Luke]

What makes you think the popular vote means full control by the democrats, Chicken Little?

If not now, certainly not before long, what with the influx of tens of millions of Central and South American illegal immigrants that the Democrats insist should be made legal and given the vote. Who do you think you are playing with here, children?

 

[redtide]

Do you think he should have cut government spending in 2009? How? Stand by and watch GM and Chrysler go chapter 7 liquidation? Add a million more people to unemployment. Cut defense spending? Stop unemployment insurance payments?
Raise taxes?

The economy started turning around in 2010. Tax revenue in 2007 was $2.57 trillion. In 2008 it was $2.52...dropped to $2.10 trillion...by 2011 it was up to $2.3 trillion.

Bush delivered the worst economy since 1929 to Obama.

https://www.thebalance.com/current-u-s-federal-government-tax-revenue-3305762

Yes those companies (who have been bailed out before) should be out of business now. If they make bad choices they must be allowed to experience the result of those choices.

 

[middleview]

If not now, certainly not before long, what with the influx of tens of millions of Central and South American illegal immigrants that the Democrats insist should be made legal and given the vote. Who do you think you are playing with here, children?

Sometimes you certainly seem like a child....

 

[middleview]

You mean like Harding did in 1920? Absolutely:

https://mises.org/library/forgotten-depression-1920

We'd now be enjoying the "Roaring Teens!"

1920 was a completely different economic problem and you know it.

 

[Raoul_Luke]

1920 was a completely different economic problem and you know it.

No, it was the same problem (dislocated markets). It was, however, a different solution - one that worked.

 

[middleview]

That's why Democrats are relying so heavily on identity politics and race whoring, they are trying to talk about anything BUT the economy

Aside from a tax cut, what has Trump actually done that improved the economy? His trade war is not helping.

 

[kaz]

Yes those companies (who have been bailed out before) should be out of business now. If they make bad choices they must be allowed to experience the result of those choices.

Yep. I always like it when leftists tell me that the bailouts were my fault because I opposed the government policies that got the companies in trouble and I opposed bailing them out when they failed.

Bu-bu-but that makes it all your fault, kaz.

Democrats aren't responsible for anything they do, nothing at all

 

[middleview]

No, it was the same problem (dislocated markets). It was, however, a different solution - one that worked.

"disclocated markets"....meaning "something went wrong".

Tight money caused the problem, loosening the money supply fixed it.

 

[Raoul_Luke]

Sometimes you certainly seem like a child....

Right. Because it's "grown up" to ignore future developments when passing government policies. The founding fathers certainly were forward looking in their efforts. And we should chuck that all in the toilet because the left assures us it will not create any problems for us down the road.

This is precisely how the leftist agenda fails. When the decision to grant generous retirement packages to municipal workers was being implemented, the "logic" was that there weren't that many of them, and they were underpaid, so it's only "fair." And then they allowed them to unionize and increase salaries, implement work rules that makes it necessary to have two workers for every one job, and then they expanded the bureaucracy which vastly increased employment, such that now every major city and most states are mired in pension "crises." But hey, when they made the decision, it made sense...

 

[middleview]

Yep. I always like it when leftists tell me that the bailouts were my fault because I opposed the government policies that got the companies in trouble and I opposed bailing them out when they failed.

Bu-bu-but that makes it all your fault, kaz.

Democrats aren't responsible for anything they do, nothing at all

Who said the bailouts were your fault? Pretending that the recession wasn't brought on by the policies of the Bush administration is silly. Republicans in control of both Congress and the White House for years and you guys blame Clinton. Obama has congress for 2 years and has to fight the republicans for 6 and you blame Obama for a slow recovery.

 

[Raoul_Luke]

"disclocated markets"....meaning "something went wrong".

Tight money caused the problem, loosening the money supply fixed it.

It's always the same thing that "goes wrong" - supply and demand get out of whack. So when government gets out of the way and lets the markets clear, another usually robust expansion ensues.

Which "problem?" The financial crisis? If "loosening the money supply fixed it," why are we still, after a decade, unable to normalize rates?

 

[Nostra]

Aside from a tax cut, what has Trump actually done that improved the economy? His trade war is not helping.

Rescinding hundreds of economy killing Obama regime regulations.

 

[middleview]

Right. Because it's "grown up" to ignore future developments when passing government policies. The founding fathers certainly were forward looking in their efforts. And we should chuck that all in the toilet because the left assures us it will not create any problems for us down the road.

This is precisely how the leftist agenda fails. When the decision to grant generous retirement packages to municipal workers was being implemented, the "logic" was that there weren't that many of them, and they were underpaid, so it's only "fair." And then they allowed them to unionize and increase salaries, implement work rules that makes it necessary to have two workers for every one job, and then they expanded the bureaucracy which vastly increased employment, such that now every major city and most states are mired in pension "crises." But hey, when they made the decision, it made sense...

It is "grown up" to ignore your fictional version of future government policies. The founding fathers were looking at a very different circumstance than what the current world looks like.

 

[middleview]

It's always the same thing that "goes wrong" - supply and demand get out of whack. So when government gets out of the way and lets the markets clear, another usually robust expansion ensues.

Which "problem?" The financial crisis? If "loosening the money supply fixed it," why are we still, after a decade, unable to normalize rates?

In 1920 the fed tightened monetary policy to control inflation....in 1921 they realized they'd overreacted and loosened money policy, but remember that Wilson was the president in 1920 and Harding came into office in March 4thm 1921 and the recession was over in July.

 

[middleview]

It's always the same thing that "goes wrong" - supply and demand get out of whack. So when government gets out of the way and lets the markets clear, another usually robust expansion ensues.

Which "problem?" The financial crisis? If "loosening the money supply fixed it," why are we still, after a decade, unable to normalize rates?

Because the problem in 2008 wasn't the same as 1920.