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The Rise of Satanism

Jen

Senator
Satan is taking a victory march around the world. Satanism represents "Freedom". Freedom of what? Freedom from what? Freedom from God. From Yahweh. From the Ten Commandments.

This 55 minute video lays it out. I would like to see your reaction to this, @Days. Any others of you who have backgrounds or studies of prophecy would be welcome too.

Two words: Palmyra Arch. Google it.
Two more words: Gotthard Tunnel. Google it. YouTube it.

It's an interesting video start to finish.

 
Satan is taking a victory march around the world. Satanism represents "Freedom". Freedom of what? Freedom from what? Freedom from God. From Yahweh. From the Ten Commandments.

This 55 minute video lays it out. I would like to see your reaction to this, @Days. Any others of you who have backgrounds or studies of prophecy would be welcome too.

Two words: Palmyra Arch. Google it.
Two more words: Gotthard Tunnel. Google it. YouTube it.

It's an interesting video start to finish.

Thanks, going to watch it when I get home :)
 

Days

Commentator
Christian preachers have this fixation on Satan. Everything is the devil.

Baal was another of these local gods, okay? Not the devil. The thing is, Palestine happened to fall right in the midst of this local god. So, you had two kinds of worship happening in ancient Israel; the common faith (part of the catholic, worldwide worship) that was following Baal ...... and ...... you had this specialized faith that Moses installed for the children (12 tribes) of Jacob: call it a covenant between the most high god and the children of Abraham.

Another concept common to Christian preachers is the idea that prophecy was the ability to see the future. Prophecy was simply the anointing of the Holy spirit resting upon the prophet. Whatever came from that spirit was prophecy. This included visions and some of those visions were about the future, but they weren't the same as watching a television show 2500 years off in the future, prophecy is not a foretelling of the future, it might be a vision about the future, but that still is not the same thing. Wizards foretell (divine) the future... but prophets don't get crystal balls when we get baptized; it is a slightly different spirit, a slightly different faith. The local prince that was paying Baalam to prophecy for him, expected to be blessed by that prophecy. That is how the common faith works... you pay for your blessings. But, prophecy doesn't work that way.

BTW, Baal worship was the local version of the common faith in ancient Palestine. The common faith went back long before Jesus and it was worldwide. The common faith hasn't gone anywhere, has it? Much the same as the law of Moses grew up in the midst of the local common faith, so too has the faith of Jesus grew up in the midst of the worldwide common faith. Jesus cast fire upon an earth that was already burning with worship of the gods. The common faith went right on burning. The gospel has been snuffed out over and over, only to pop back up again. At the very end of the apocalypse, the last thing God does before he returns with the saints is to snuff out the common faith... and it never rekindles again.
 

Days

Commentator
Christian preachers have this fixation on Satan. Everything is the devil.

Baal was another of these local gods, okay? Not the devil. The thing is, Palestine happened to fall right in the midst of this local god. So, you had two kinds of worship happening in ancient Israel; the common faith (part of the catholic, worldwide worship) that was following Baal ...... and ...... you had this specialized faith that Moses installed for the children (12 tribes) of Jacob: call it a covenant between the most high god and the children of Abraham.

Another concept common to Christian preachers is the idea that prophecy was the ability to see the future. Prophecy was simply the anointing of the Holy spirit resting upon the prophet. Whatever came from that spirit was prophecy. This included visions and some of those visions were about the future, but they weren't the same as watching a television show 2500 years off in the future, prophecy is not a foretelling of the future, it might be a vision about the future, but that still is not the same thing. Wizards foretell (divine) the future... but prophets don't get crystal balls when we get baptized; it is a slightly different spirit, a slightly different faith. The local prince that was paying Baalam to prophecy for him, expected to be blessed by that prophecy. That is how the common faith works... you pay for your blessings. But, prophecy doesn't work that way.

BTW, Baal worship was the local version of the common faith in ancient Palestine. The common faith went back long before Jesus and it was worldwide. The common faith hasn't gone anywhere, has it? Much the same as the law of Moses grew up in the midst of the local common faith, so too has the faith of Jesus grew up in the midst of the worldwide common faith. Jesus cast fire upon an earth that was already burning with worship of the gods. The common faith went right on burning. The gospel has been snuffed out over and over, only to pop back up again. At the very end of the apocalypse, the last thing God does before he returns with the saints is to snuff out the common faith... and it never rekindles again.
Now, this isn't to say that modern day Satanists are not employing Baal worship in their rituals... they are, but that doesn't make Baal the devil. Lucifer is not all the gods in disguise, what he does is lead them all, that doesn't make them the same entity. It is hard to understand how the spirit world is all one and at the same time separate entities. Lucifer was the covering cherub, the ribbon of glory over the throne of God, his name means light bearer; I have him pegged for the original rainbow of light of glory arching over the throne of God. (my imagination) He was the firstborn of the angels, the closest to the Almighty, and what exactly is that? A son of God?

Right now, there is a war going on, a war in heaven, between the angels. And it seems all these losers from that battle are being cast to earth. But they are still gods. Ask me what sucks the most of all the suckiest things you can think of... I'd say the most suckiest thing imaginable for mankind would be if their was a war in heaven between angels and God was using the earth as a trash can to toss all the rotten gods into as he casts them out of heaven. Nothing sucks more than that... at least, not if you happen to be living on the earth while it is happening. And this just gets better and better as we near the end.
 

Jen

Senator
Now, this isn't to say that modern day Satanists are not employing Baal worship in their rituals... they are, but that doesn't make Baal the devil. Lucifer is not all the gods in disguise, what he does is lead them all, that doesn't make them the same entity. It is hard to understand how the spirit world is all one and at the same time separate entities. Lucifer was the covering cherub, the ribbon of glory over the throne of God, his name means light bearer; I have him pegged for the original rainbow of light of glory arching over the throne of God. (my imagination) He was the firstborn of the angels, the closest to the Almighty, and what exactly is that? A son of God?

Right now, there is a war going on, a war in heaven, between the angels. And it seems all these losers from that battle are being cast to earth. But they are still gods. Ask me what sucks the most of all the suckiest things you can think of... I'd say the most suckiest thing imaginable for mankind would be if their was a war in heaven between angels and God was using the earth as a trash can to toss all the rotten gods into as he casts them out of heaven. Nothing sucks more than that... at least, not if you happen to be living on the earth while it is happening. And this just gets better and better as we near the end.
And I hear the sarcasm in your last sentence there.
I understand this........ that Baal, et al, aren't ALL the embodiment for Satan (aka Lucifer). But it may be easier to pose it that way for the common man to understand.

So, another analogy so that (at least some) common men can understand is that of Trump draining the swamp of corruption in Washington.

But then, it brings me at least to another question or two. Okay. God is God. He created the angels, Lucifer being best and first created. Then Lucifer became dissatisfied with being just Number One (First Officer) and wanted to be Captain. He saw the mistakes that Captain had made and thought he could do better. Does that automatically make him "Evil"?

Lucifer is god of prosperity and power (as well as greed and carnal desires).
Yahweh is God of creation and righteousness.

Is it Good vs Evil? Or just Creator vs Createe?

Does Lucifer have a place where Spirits go after their bodies die? And is it as reported - a place of horribleness?

And what is our place in the whole thing?

We truly don't see through the veil that separates the dimensions and we can't see and we shouldn't see. But........... I want to get it right. I believe I have made the right choice, but I do want to know. I am curious.
 

Days

Commentator
And I hear the sarcasm in your last sentence there.
I understand this........ that Baal, et al, aren't ALL the embodiment for Satan (aka Lucifer). But it may be easier to pose it that way for the common man to understand.

So, another analogy so that (at least some) common men can understand is that of Trump draining the swamp of corruption in Washington.

But then, it brings me at least to another question or two. Okay. God is God. He created the angels, Lucifer being best and first created. Then Lucifer became dissatisfied with being just Number One (First Officer) and wanted to be Captain. He saw the mistakes that Captain had made and thought he could do better. Does that automatically make him "Evil"?

Lucifer is god of prosperity and power (as well as greed and carnal desires).
Yahweh is God of creation and righteousness.

Is it Good vs Evil? Or just Creator vs Createe?

Does Lucifer have a place where Spirits go after their bodies die? And is it as reported - a place of horribleness?

And what is our place in the whole thing?

We truly don't see through the veil that separates the dimensions and we can't see and we shouldn't see. But........... I want to get it right. I believe I have made the right choice, but I do want to know. I am curious.
This is the area of scripture that drives sane ministers into insanity. I'm going to try and give my understanding, but there simply are no words that suffice, it is very hard to write it down; and that's what drives so many misconceptions, because the prophets were faced with the same dilemma... how do I say this, how do I put it in words?

God is all in all; so if some part of God is suffering in the lake of fire, that is God suffering in the lake of fire. If some part of the throne rebels against the throne, if some part of God is evil, it is still the multifaceted God doing all of this. There are verses in the OT where one book says God's anger performed this or that, and in another book, the exact same act was performed by Satan. Or as Jeremiah put it, "God was an enemy". Although there may be countless molecules of air in the atmosphere, there still is just one atmosphere, we are all connected.

So first of all; as concerning the creation (the angels) ... how did God create them? He breathed them out, same way he created man. So you have a spirit and it breathes out spirits... isn't that separation? A part of God separated from himself. Just like when God took some of the anointing off of Moses and placed it upon the 70 elders appointed to administrate the law.... it is a separation of the spirit. Think of humans as vessels of water; I have this water (life) in my vessel, but then I die, the vessel is broken, and the water returns to the main pool. While I was alive, the life was separate from God, but all along it is still the spirit of life, it still is part of God, and God is all along the sum total of all life, the all in all. What I am trying to show here is that the creation and the creator are both one, we are all manifesting the determined imaginations of the great Spirit, and as this theater plays out, we try to find word pictures that can describe what we are going through... so if it helps to think of sulfur as something that hurts us in this life, then punishment happens in a lake of fire, burning with sulfur... in a spirit realm where there is no hot or cold and there is no sulfur or any other physical element on the periodic table of elements; but there is punishment and there is suffering for some parts of God.

Modern satanism is creating the devil as they worship him. Lucifer means light bearer, perfect in beauty and wisdom; the light was the wisdom... nothing evil about the name Lucifer. Look at the book of Job; the devil comes before the throne of God and they chat as if Lucifer was a cup-bearer for a king; who wrote the book? No one knows. It is the inspired imagination of ancient wisdom, it embodies the wisdom of its times; there is a law there and an understanding of how God works among the children of men. There is a manner of worship, and this we could call a relationship between God and men of those times. I always wondered why Noah built an altar to God and sacrificed some birds? That was long, long, long before the law of Moses.... what was he doing there?

Our understanding of God and our relationship with the spirit has been shaped by the various religions that grew up down here. Since God is the sum total of everything, we could say our growth in understanding changed who God was; to Solomon he was a stern judge to answer to, but to Jesus he was a loving father... I often wondered where Jesus came up with this loving father; you sure can't find him in the OT, traces, but not really; you could say Jesus changed who God was. Ministers would argue that Jesus merely revealed who God was, but in practice, and if you look at God as the sum total of interaction between himself and all his parts (the creation), then it is undeniable that Jesus changed who God was, what's more God keeps changing all through the church age. The Bahaii of Islam did the same to the law of Mohammed; all of a sudden at the end of the 19th century we have a religion that teaches Muslims to accept all the faiths on the planet, and that we are all worshiping the same God. So then the faith was altered, and with it, God was changed. Very soon, the old common faith of worshiping all the gods is going to be attacked by the political leader we call antiChrist or the Beast. As these changes take place on earth in our worship, God himself is changing, the spirit is changing, and certainly this war going on in heaven between the angels is changing things, and all these changes are in fact, changes to God... changes to his spirit. It is like the smoke from a giant forest fire... the smoke is added to the atmosphere, and it changes the atmosphere. Likewise, in the spirit realm, the smoke from the lake of fire rises up from it and it is added to the whole... so we look upon those burning there, because it is part of the whole, we are all connected; a part of us is burning there, and as it burns, we are being changed, and we grow, and we go forward, and eventually, all the parts are rejoined... and when that happens, it is just the same as it is now; because there is one God, one spirit, one experience of God, we are all in this together and we all belong to the one consciousness running the show.
 
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