So, what should we do about health care reform?

[resident_evil]

Medicine is specialized, not every doctor is cardiologist for example, not every cardiologist is capable of performing every procedure.

And?

This chart is true of any business. It is true for plumbers. What is the point made?

 

[ObamacareForever]

This chart is true of any business. It is true for plumbers. What is the point made?

The barriers to entering oncology for instance are higher than lasik.

 

[PhilFish]

I don't think everybody may want elective eye surgery. And I think anybody with cancer would certainly race to have it cured.

of course. and that cost is extremely expensive...relative to laser eye surgery..

 

[resident_evil]

of course. and that cost is extremely expensive...relative to laser eye surgery..

And your point is that doctors can't compete? Can't afford to be in business? Cancer care costs cannot be driven down?

 

[PhilFish]

And your point is that doctors can't compete? Can't afford to be in business? Cancer care costs cannot be driven down?

hmm. no.

my pointis cancer care is infinitely more complex that some doc zapping your cornea for a fraction of a second.

cancer research and targeted medicines cost huge money...so, that cost is not coming down based on demand alone.

 

[middleview]

The thorough study would be partisan. And dems don't have the political willpower to pass health care proposed by Repubs. And Repubs don't have the willpower to pass something proposed by the dems. So it would have to be a by partisan study which I don't think can happen in this political climate, sadly.

We know medicare works so just expand it to those who don't have health insurance and take it out of their paycheck.

Our country has higher wages also and a good quality of life and freedom so its hard to compare us to other countries.

What have the republicans proposed?

 

[EatTheRich]

Typical leftist lie. Trump says he will protect pre-existing protections when he finally replaces the ACA. To say his trying to overturn the ACA argues against his values regarding pre-existing is absurd Russian election meddling propaganda.


Free market alternatives that would bring down healthcare inflation rates and prices.



Honesty on your part would admit that those countries don't pay their fair share in self-defense nor American medical products. Meaning that those two facts help them afford their welfare care on the American citizens' (and taxpayers') dime. Not only that those services are NOT all you crack them up to be. They have significant deficiencies beyond day to day healthcare.


Because the study wouldn't come to that conclusion unless it was partisan led.

The U.S. doesn’t need such a bloated military either. And we the taxpayers are already paying for almost all medical research and development, after the government innovates those innovations are given to private investors so they can make exorbitant profits on them.

 

[middleview]

And your point is that doctors can't compete? Can't afford to be in business? Cancer care costs cannot be driven down?

Follow the money. It isn't doctors who are bringing in more than a million a year.

 

[EatTheRich]

We should reform health care by getting government out of it

So, back to unregulated patent medicines and premodern techniques?

 

[middleview]

Intellectual property is a Marxist invention. Nobody exclusively owns knowledge.

You're wrong. You think intellectual property involves public knowledge? It doesn't. I developed software that was pretty unique for it's day. We had a copyright. One potential customer shared the internal design document with a consultant. He then called a meeting and promised to produce the same functionality for half the price.

By your logic he was right to do so. Reality says otherwise and our lawyer let the consultant and the potential customer know that.

 

[EatTheRich]

The VA is a job benefit. You seriously don't grasp the difference between working for a benefit and getting free government shit, do you? How sad is that? I suppose that you don't understand working for money explains how you vote.

And what about that I want to end Medicare did you not understand? What about that was unclear to you? We should end all government welfare programs, particularly at the Federal level. Charity should be done by government last, not first, and at the local level if at all.

I get now why you just think whatever CNN tells you to think rather than asking them to explain things to you ...

All working people work for any of the government benefits that, through their unions, they wrest back from the ruling class as partial compensation for creating virtually all the wealth in society.

 

[ObamacareForever]

You're wrong. You think intellectual property involves public knowledge? It doesn't..

Filing for a patent makes it public knowledge. You can look up the specs on any patent you want. Filing for a patent means turning over your secrets to the public in exchange for them not using against you

 

[PhilFish]

Filing for a patent makes it public knowledge. You can look up the specs on any patent you want. Filing for a patent means turning over your secrets to the public in exchange for them not using against you

it affords the creator exclusivity for a time. such that their intellectual expenditure isnt stolen straight away..

 

[EatTheRich]

Seriously? You didn't get that you described government robbing some people to pay for someone else's healthcare as "providing access to healthcare?" That government is paying for that healthcare with money taken at gunpoint? That's just "providing access" to healthcare?

It's so hard conversing with someone who went to a government school. EVERYTHING needs to be explained. And then there's overcoming the CNN programming

the alternative is the government providing more money to the rich by taking it out of workers’ hides. It’s all a matter of whose ox the state (which goes hand in hand with private property) gores

 

[middleview]

Filing for a patent makes it public knowledge. You can look up the specs on any patent you want. Filing for a patent means turning over your secrets to the public in exchange for them not using against you

Your definition of public knowledge and mine are clearly two different things.. Publishing a book makes the contents available. You are still not allowed to copy that content for your own profit.

Reading our specs made the design content available to a potential competitor. Did not make it right for him to use that content to make a profit.

 

[EatTheRich]

Dodge?

You described government taking money from one person at the point of a gun and giving it to someone else as "providing access to healthcare." What about that didn't you understand exactly?

You are talking abo taking it from someone who does not have a property right to it under the laws of your country to give it to the lawful owner, correct?

 

[ObamacareForever]

it affords the creator exclusivity for a time. such that their intellectual expenditure isnt stolen straight away..

Keeping things as trade secrets accomplishes that without government intervention.

 

[middleview]

Only anarchists think that, by definition. And they are a tiny portion of libertarians.

Small government libertarians are strong believers in property rights.

Once again you don't know what the hell you're talking about

So you were OK with the remarkable price increase on insulin? Private property, after all. No reason for government to get involved. Right?

 

[ObamacareForever]

Reading our specs made the design content available to a potential competitor. Did not make it right for him to use that content to make a profit.

There are other means of preventing competition without government intervention.

 

[EatTheRich]

The VA is a job benefit for people who did work to earn that benefit. Equating that with taking money at gunpoint and giving it to pay someone else's bills is idiotic

Medicare and Medicaid are also job benefits for people who did work to earn them for themselves, their families, and their social class.