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NightSwimmer

Senator
Looks like you need to actually learn about researching. So here's a link for you, but this is the only time I'll do your work for you.




http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volkswagen_Polo

Thanks. You really should get out more. It's a big country. There is no conspiracy to reduce MPG. There is no magic carburetor. To get high mileage with an internal combustion engine, you need a small, very aerodynamic car. If you think that there is so much market demand for these cars, then why not sell them yourself?

Most of the high mileage diesels in Europe are turbocharged. I don't want to own a turbocharged engine. It is more efficient, but less reliable.
 

NightSwimmer

Senator
Really ???? You haven't seen all the crap being kicked up because Obama wants 50MPG cars in the near future?


Do you not get the news where you are?
The standards were recently raised to 45 MPG, if I'm not mistaken. It is the auto industry, not the oil companies, who oppose mileage standards. They don't want to be forced to discontinue production of large vehicles that Americans want. I choose to drive small, fuel efficient vehicles myself. Always have. Still, I can't control the preferences of others.
 

NightSwimmer

Senator
So then really it's just not greatly abundant at the one station you use in your small town in WA, because its greatly abundant everywhere else in America, I know this because I drive all over the country.
I know that isn't true, because I actually have traveled all over the country. Diesel isn't readily available in many areas. It is on the Interstate Highway, wherever you go. But everyone doesn't live near an Interstate.
 

Richard Hammond

Council Member
Thanks. You really should get out more. It's a big country. There is no conspiracy to reduce MPG. There is no magic carburetor. To get high mileage with an internal combustion engine, you need a small, very aerodynamic car. If you think that there is so much market demand for these cars, then why not sell them yourself?

Most of the high mileage diesels in Europe are turbocharged. I don't want to own a turbocharged engine. It is more efficient, but less reliable.
Again as I say, put cars that get 75 MPG up for sale in the USA & watch'em go
 

Richard Hammond

Council Member
The standards were recently raised to 45 MPG, if I'm not mistaken. It is the auto industry, not the oil companies, who oppose mileage standards. They don't want to be forced to discontinue production of large vehicles that Americans want. I choose to drive small, fuel efficient vehicles myself. Always have. Still, I can't control the preferences of others.
The onlt people I have actually seen complain about it are Mitt & his cohorts on the right. I only saw that on the news.
 

degsme

Council Member
So then its just not greatly abundent at the one station you use in a small town in WA.
Yes that small town is called... Seattle.

You asked a question. I answered it factually and supportabley but with an answer you did not like. And so you attacked me.... What is it that Socrates said about that? Oh yeah... check my signature.
 

Richard Hammond

Council Member
That's not the point. If you live in an area in which most gas stations don't have diesel, then it's an inconvenience.
All Americans would handle an inconvience when getting double milage, or are you saying Americans are so lazy & rich that they'll payy 100.00 bucks to fill a tank & go 300 miles, when the could pay the same 100 & go 600 miles.

I know they woan't if given the choice, we're all to broke to just piss away money on gas when we could double our milage & as I said there is not 1 gas station in any of the towns I visit that don't sell diesel.

Which is why I suspect yu don't want to name any towns, because I could show how abundant easily availabe diesel is.

& the subject was always about why over in europe & the uk, it's easy to get a great & huge selection of cars that get 75 or more MPGs & these aren't little cracker boxes as the uninformed always like to assume they are.

But I can continue this tomorrow as its my bedtime.

Goodnight.
 

degsme

Council Member
All Americans would handle an inconvience when getting double milage, or are you saying Americans are so lazy & rich that they'll payy 100.00 bucks to fill a tank & go 300 miles, when the could pay the same 100 & go 600 miles.
Yes many are willing to pay $50 more to go 300 miles in much greater perceived comfort.

That's what the market tells us.

Europe's car selection is no greater than the USA. in many ways less. its just a different mix. Just like Grocery store in Greenwich Village will have a different mix of goods than one in Scarsdale (scarsdale will have 6 kinds of Pampers and Greenwich Village will have 13 kinds of import beer).

There are high milage cars in the USA... they don't sell well.
 

Richard Hammond

Council Member
Yes many are willing to pay $50 more to go 300 miles in much greater perceived comfort.

That's what the market tells us.

Europe's car selection is no greater than the USA. in many ways less. its just a different mix. Just like Grocery store in Greenwich Village will have a different mix of goods than one in Scarsdale (scarsdale will have 6 kinds of Pampers and Greenwich Village will have 13 kinds of import beer).

There are high milage cars in the USA... they don't sell well.
Really name some & compare them to those available accross the ocean
 

degsme

Council Member
Again... 75 mpg is diesel hybrid. We explained why diesel's don't sell in the USA. VW tried selling them in the 80s.. they flopped.

I suspect I've been to europe and talked to more "euros" than you have... (hint I speak three european languages and my partner is a Parisienne)...

You just don't know what you are talking about.
 

Richard Hammond

Council Member
VW Passat in Europe 78.5 MPG
UK Toyota Prius 72.4 MPG
UK Ford Fiesta ECOnetic – 65 MPG

the list goes on & on, but surely you get the point
 

Richard Hammond

Council Member
Again... 75 mpg is diesel hybrid. We explained why diesel's don't sell in the USA. VW tried selling them in the 80s.. they flopped.

I suspect I've been to europe and talked to more "euros" than you have... (hint I speak three european languages and my partner is a Parisienne)...

You just don't know what you are talking about.
This aint the 80s no more, people are broke. Put'em on the maket & watch'em fly off the show room floor.

Of course big oil ain't gonna let that happen & let their sales be slashed by up to 50%, they pay to much for the politicians like richard dick cheney that they own for that to happen.


BTW did we ever get the info on the secret meeting Cheney had with big oil when they set our energy policies?


oh thats right,,,,, no we didn't.


& again its bedtime.

goodnight
 

Days

Commentator
I think there's a huge demand in America for fuel efficient cars... and I sold cars.

If they build it in Europe, they can build it here. Ford has been doing this forever; Ford was the luxury auto-maker of Europe while in America it was FixOrRepairDaily.

The same globalist banksters on Wall Street who are squeezing housing and tossing millions of Americans into the street, own the oil corps... its a controlled market and those are the kind of people who control it. degs doesn't understand that. degs thinks that a fiat currency is no different than real money and if you try to explain the real world to degs, he thinks you are floating a conspiracy theory. But he's a damn good lawyer.
 

OldGaffer

Governor
There is not a single gas station that I go to that does not have diesel & the cars I saw on top gear all had good acceleration & HP, I'm guessing that you also buy into the myths & misinformation that keeps Americans from demanding the high mileage vehicles that are common in Europe & the UK.
I dont "buy into" conspiracy theories that have no foundation other than a fevered imagination. My 40 years in the car business tells me that if you were correct, I couldnt keep these cars in stock and I would have a huge backlog of sold orders.

2013Chevrolet VoltMPG City 95 | Hwy 93


The standard features of the Chevrolet Volt Base include 149HP engine 1-speed automatic transmission, 4-wheel anti-lock brakes (ABS), side seat mounted airbags, curtain 1st and 2nd row overhead airbags, driver and passenger knee airbag, airbag occupancy sensor, automatic air conditioning, 17" forged aluminum wheels, cruise control, ABS and driveline traction control, and a StabiliTrak stability control.
Better gas mileage than any of the Euro Diesels you are pimping, and yet I have a couple in stock and even with a super cheap lease, they are not "flying off the shelf". GM owns Opel and is one of the top selling mfg in Europe. The Buick Regal, the Chevy Cruze, both designed and engineered in Europe. If you want decent gas mileage at an affordable price, a Chevy Cruze ECO will get you 42 MPG and rides like a dream, with plenty of power and acceleration.
 

OldGaffer

Governor
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