Travon Martin.

Dino said:

This is without doubt one of the most repulsive/ignorant statements I've ever seen in print.

Where does it say there's an inherent "malice" or presumption of a "murder" because an "African-American" person winds up dead? Is this a separate rule than applies to whites?

When was it passed or the courtroom precedent established? Case and year please?

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If an African-American winds up dead after someone ranting about "[Unwelcome language removed] coons" stalks him and kills him, yes.

marvin martian said:

Zimmerman only identified Martin as being black because the police dispatcher asked him if he could determine the race of the person he was observing. It sounds like you only listened to the version of the tape that NBC doctored (and will be sued over).

You're a perfect example of what happens when a media with an agenda deliberately disseminates false information and people who don't know any better (you) go ahead and fall for it...

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This may be true with the first time Zimmerman identified him as Black, but not the second time. Also, there's a good chance the dispatcher asked what the guy's race was for his first question because he had a good hunch that this was Zimmerman calling again about another Black person in his neighborhood. You're also ignoring his "[Unwelcome language removed] coons" comment.

NightSwimmer said:

I'll say this much about the George Zimmerman murder case:

In most murder trials, including the O.J. Simpson trial, the jury is asked to determine whether the defendant actually killed the victim. That is the primary determination that they need to make in order to mete out justice.

In this trial, that much is given at the outset. The only thing that this jury is being asked to determine is whether George Zimmerman is to be excused for the killing of Trayvon Martin. There is no doubt that he shot and killed him.

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That is a true observation, and I agree with it.

It even appears to be asking whether Trayvon Martin was guilty for getting himself murdered.

I forgot to say - that was NOT meant as sarcasm.

JP Cusick said:

I am going to be one of those really upset and unhappy people if the murderer Zimmerman is found not guilty.

Some commentaries say he might get convicted as "man-slaughter" instead of 2nd degree, but even that will not make me happy.

I watch the trial, and I see the defense as reprehensible - IMO.

Just venting here, as the Courts seem to be so crooked, and the Prosecutors so corrupt.

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I do not remember ever having such a sad feeling after a trial, as this one really hurt me.

So now Z is the hero for us white people, and for all America.

That racist murderer is our white-American-hero.

Z is the defender of our faith.

Again - this is not sarcasm from me, as I see it as my own lamentation of the ugly society that I live in.

JP Cusick said:

If Z had reported that it was a white-boy then the dispatcher would have told Z to back-off.

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He did tell him to back off.

JP Cusick said:

I do not remember ever having such a sad feeling after a trial, as this one really hurt me.

So now Z is the hero for us white people, and for all America.

That racist murderer is our white-American-hero.

Z is the defender of our faith.

Again - this is not sarcasm from me, as I see it as my own lamentation of the ugly society that I live in.

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Self-hating white infusing race into a verdict that didn't use race as a criterion? You're pathetic.

Dino said:

Self-hating white infusing race into a verdict that didn't use race as a criterion? You're pathetic.

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Poor guy has the worst case of white guilt I've ever seen.

JP Cusick said:

My take is that the 911 operator was a racist too, and that is why he asked for the race of the suspect.

If Z had reported that it was a white-boy then the dispatcher would have told Z to back-off.

There is no other reason to ask for the person's racial identity.

This was the bigger problem in this case that the local police are racist with their racist policies, and Z was just one of their pawns, or one of their hit men.

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EatTheRich said:

He did tell him to back off.

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I had given up on this forum, but you draw me back in.

My point is that the 911 operator would have said it more forcefully rather than saying = "We do not need you to do that." because if the operator had been told that it was a white person then the 911 operator would have told him more authoritative = "You are not to follow him."

Of course if it had been a white person of any age or style then Z would not have called or followed in the first place.

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Plus I have more information than when this old thread was started:

1) Trayvon was shot in the middle to left side of his chest (while leaning over according to Z - the killer) see picture HERE.

2) Trayvon was shot in his heart, see HERE.

3) The human heart is always a little to the person's left side, see HERE.

4) The racist and crooked Florida prosecutors never gave any testimony demonstrating the bullet's trajectory, see link here from 1963.

5) The murderer Z said that he shot the teenager with his right hand, see HERE.

**** Point being that a right handed shot would travel to the victim's right side and would not have hit his heart - thereby demonstrating that the Z claims were a lie and he did in fact murder Trayvon Martin.

The bigger point again though - is that the prosecution did not demonstrate any of this because the racist State of Florida supported both that murder and that murderer.

JP Cusick said:

Also the malice and murder of a stranger is manifested in the physical reality of the victim being an African American.

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Are African Americans worth more than other human beings?

Are they a sacred race or something?

Mr. Friscus said:

Are African Americans worth more than other human beings?

Are they a sacred race or something?

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Clearly you are a member of the privileged race so that you ignore the obvious.

The African American people are treated as LESS in worth and not as MORE in worth (at least in the racist Republican controlled State of Florida) so they could indeed be called as you say a "sacred race" but more accurately they are a persecuted and maligned people who face racial discrimination and depravities from our dominating and sinful white race.

African American people do not even want to be treated as "worth more" or as being a "sacred race" as all they want is equality and to be treated as equal. People being regarded as worth less and worth more is a Caucasian mentality idea based on our white racism based on the pompous idea of white superiority.

It really is not that hard to understand.

JP Cusick said:

Clearly you are a member of the privileged race so that you ignore the obvious.

The African American people are treated as LESS in worth and not as MORE in worth (at least in the racist Republican controlled State of Florida) so they could indeed be called as you say a "sacred race" but more accurately they are a persecuted and maligned people who face racial discrimination and depravities from our dominating and sinful white race.

African American people do not even want to be treated as "worth more" or as being a "sacred race" as all they want is equality and to be treated as equal. People being regarded as worth less and worth more is a Caucasian mentality idea based on our white racism based on the pompous idea of white superiority.

It really is not that hard to understand.

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You sound like a major racist. Racism is bad, stop perpetuating it.

marvin martian said:

You sound like a major racist. Racism is bad, stop perpetuating it.

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You see it as racism / racist when I call for the equality of blacks and whites?

Talking about race can be a healthy and productive thing to do.

The idea of a "color-blind" society is another white racist ideal, because justice and equality can never be blind.

JP Cusick said:

You see it as racism / racist when I call for the equality of blacks and whites?

Talking about race can be a healthy and productive thing to do.

The idea of a "color-blind" society is another white racist ideal, because justice and equality can never be blind.

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Not interested in your justifications of your race-baiting and bigotry. You seek to divide people, not unite them, just like your Democrat cronies.

Also, I see from your website that you're a "disabled" government employee, living nice and easy on my tax money. I'll bet nothing in your life has ever been your fault, right? You're a taker...

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Not interested in your justifications of your race-baiting and bigotry. You seek to divide people, not unite them, just like your Democrat cronies.

Also, I see from your website that you're a "disabled" government employee, living nice and easy on my tax money. I'll bet nothing in your life has ever been your fault, right? You're a taker...

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I guess I must point out the significance of your above words in that you are not interested in "justification" and that is the problem.

In my previous posting I declared this = "justice and equality can never be blind".

Your lack of interest in justice / justification is the problem generated from your self.

The justice and justification are the BIG and BIGGEST things in this world which your kind reject.

So back to this thread - the lack of interest in justice is indeed why the murder and the murderer of Trayvon Martin walks free - because justice is excluded.

You say of me that I am race-baiting (whatever that might mean) and my bigotry - and yet I am to respect your lack of interest in justice - well no.

JP Cusick said:

I do not remember ever having such a sad feeling after a trial, as this one really hurt me.

So now Z is the hero for us white people, and for all America.

That racist murderer is our white-American-hero.

Z is the defender of our faith.

Again - this is not sarcasm from me, as I see it as my own lamentation of the ugly society that I live in.

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????

Where is Zimmerman a hero?

I've never heard a white person call him that...

JP Cusick said:

Clearly you are a member of the privileged race so that you ignore the obvious.

The African American people are treated as LESS in worth and not as MORE in worth (at least in the racist Republican controlled State of Florida) so they could indeed be called as you say a "sacred race" but more accurately they are a persecuted and maligned people who face racial discrimination and depravities from our dominating and sinful white race.

African American people do not even want to be treated as "worth more" or as being a "sacred race" as all they want is equality and to be treated as equal. People being regarded as worth less and worth more is a Caucasian mentality idea based on our white racism based on the pompous idea of white superiority.

It really is not that hard to understand.

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Prove that all whites feel "white superiority"...

Don't just spitball and speculate. If you're going to make the claim, you'd better back it.

Prove that black people aren't treated as equals.

The problem is, you're painting with the broadest brush. You're telling us how all white people act.

Mr. Friscus said:

The problem is, you're painting with the broadest brush. You're telling us how all white people act.

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Which is why he's a big, fat racist!

Mr. Friscus said:

????
Where is Zimmerman a hero?
I've never heard a white person call him that...

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Since I am a white-Caucasian-Man then now you can say that you have heard at least one white person calling him that. Plus it is important to note that it does not have to be a white person to say that as other people count too whether you like them or not.

And apparently you are trying to play-games with semantics (word games) concerning the word "hero" as if the white racist bigots cheer on the murderer Z but that cheering does not make Z into the white hero - and that is just playing childish word games.

Clearly Z is a hero to the NRA and to the white racist of Florida but we can call him things other than a "hero" as like Z is one of their icons or a symbol of their violent ideals, as he does not have to be called a "hero" so as to offend your kind of sensitivity to the given word(s).

Below is one of many links which declares this:
"But it’s not just racism. It’s a more general willingness to do harm, great harm, to those who “deserve” it. The liberal view (harm/care) is that while in some circumstances killing may be necessary or inevitable, it is still unfortunate. But over on the right, killing, torture, and perhaps other forms of harm are cause for celebration, so long as these can be justified. In 2008, Republicans cheered Sarah Palin when she stood up for torture. In 2011, they cheered Rick Perry for signing death warrants for record numbers of executions. When Wolf Blitzer hypothesized about a young man who had decided not to buy medical insurance but now lay in the ICU, and asked “Should we let him die?” several people in the Republican audience enthusiastically shouted out, “Yes.”"
Link it here = Pacific Standard.

Mr. Friscus said:

Prove that all whites feel "white superiority"...

Don't just spitball and speculate. If you're going to make the claim, you'd better back it.

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I did not really say that and you twist the words just to suit your own petty denials of the truth.

It does not matter if any white person "feels" superior or NOT because all whites are given a superiority regardless of our feelings.

And it is a little complicated to your kind - but we who want improvements really do not want to take away the white privileges but instead we want all people (all races and all colors and etc) to be given the same privileges as equals.

I find that the most accurate definition of white privilege is that whites are presumed as innocent while black people are presumed as guilty, and this applies in all aspects of society.

Plus "black and white" includes all in between as black and white are the farthest sides to the spectrum.

Mr. Friscus said:

Prove that black people aren't treated as equals.

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I realize this saying of "prove it" is a famous covering for the white lies, and it is always my pleasure to debunk it.

The murder of Trayvon Martin and the murderer Z walking free are two (2) big examples (proof) that the white power is not equal for non white citizens, which has been explained here in this thread.

But there are more "proofs" as in the racist war on drugs, the racist prison system, the white racist education system, and on and on.

Mr. Friscus said:

The problem is, you're painting with the broadest brush. You're telling us how all white people act.

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That is not quite accurate, as I say that all us white people share the guilt of our white racist leaders and our white racist systems and of our white racist history.

All white people do share the white privileges and superiority so we all must share the rightful guilt too.

Your semantic is "all white people act" and it has nothing to do with whites acting different, because I myself and other decent white people do indeed act different from our white racist brethren, but I too still share their guilt.

marvin martian said:

Which is why he's a big, fat racist!

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In many ways that is accurate because I do share the racist racism along with all of our white racist brethren, which means that I am a member of the racist whites.

It can be vainly argued that some white people like myself who are trying to stop the racism are thereby not racist - but in fact we all do still share the blame and the responsibility and the rightful guilt of our ever present white racist realities.

For my entire life I have been given the white superiority privileges and those privileges go onward beyond my death so yes I am a member of our racist Caucasian race.

Also I do not want to get rid of our white privileges because I like the white privileges, and all I say is that other people as like African American people need to be given those same privileges equally.

If Trayvon Martin had been given the simply "benefit of doubt" and "presumed as innocent" then he would not have been followed or killed, and if he had been so killed as he was then his murderer Z would have been properly prosecuted and convicted and punished - but no.