Racial profiling for profit in Ferguson ?

In an earlier discussion I posted this report from the Ferguson police department. Which shows that Blacks are 10 times more likely to be stopped by police than whites.



Now as it turns out there is a report from public defender in Ferguson that highlights a surprising fact.

In Ferguson, court fees and fines are the second largest source of funds for the city; $2.6 million was collected in 2013 alone. That's become a key source of tension. There is a perception in the area, Harvey says, that the black population is targeted to pay those fines.

http://www.vox.com/2014/8/19/6043409/a-local-public-defender-on-the-deeply-dysfunctional-ferguson-court

As it is this provides double edge sword of harms both the govt and the people it's supposed to serve. Being poor already lowers one's prospects in life. Sending them to jail because they can not afford to pay the fines imposed through a biased legal system only exacerbates that situation.

This would build rage in any community .

Spamature said:

In an earlier discussion I posted this report from the Ferguson police department. Which shows that Blacks are 10 times more likely to be stopped by police than whites.

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Now as it turns out there is a report from public defender in Ferguson that highlights a surprising fact.

In Ferguson, court fees and fines are the second largest source of funds for the city; $2.6 million was collected in 2013 alone. That's become a key source of tension. There is a perception in the area, Harvey says, that the black population is targeted to pay those fines.

http://www.vox.com/2014/8/19/6043409/a-local-public-defender-on-the-deeply-dysfunctional-ferguson-court

As it is this provides double edge sword of harms both the govt and the people it is supposed to serve. Being poor already lowers one's prospects in life. Sending them to jail because they can not afford to pay the fines imposed through a biased legal system only exacerbates that situation.

This is would stir outrage in any community .

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I read about that earlier. Seems the court sets a court date and time and then starts the court 30 mins. earlier so the black defendants will be late and I think ends it early so they'll have to pay the fines.

write on said:

I read about that earlier. Seems the court sets a court date and time and then starts the court 30 mins. earlier so the black defendants will be late and I think ends it early so they'll have to pay the fines.

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I am surprised they didn't skip the local stores and just loot and burn the courthouse. and city hall

This is pretty common in many police districts, taxing the public through "gotcha" tickets.

They do it in my neck of the woods too, where the "white people live".

GASP

Mr. Friscus said:

This is pretty common in many police districts, taxing the public through "gotcha" tickets.

They do it in my neck of the woods too, where the "white people live".

GASP

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What about the 10 to 1 racial disparity in ticketing on the city streets and county roads vs little disparity on the interstate ?

Blacks do way more crimes than whites. They are something like 13-14% of the population and do 50% of the crimes. A little profiling is more than expected with those numbers.

Fast Eddy said:

Blacks do way more crimes than whites. They are something like 13-14% of the population and do 50% of the crimes. A little profiling is more than expected with those numbers.

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What was your opinion on the IRS audits of tea party groups ?

Did you take this same stance ?

Spamature said:

What was your opinion on the IRS audits of tea party groups ?

Did you take this same stance ?

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I have yet to see a case of violence out of the tea party. The L-winger loons all talk about it, but the reality is much different as is the conclusion.

Fast Eddy said:

I have yet to see a case of violence out of the tea party. The L-winger loons all talk about it, but the reality is much different as is the conclusion.

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The IRS profiled groups with tea party in their names.
They did it because see rampant violations of the 501(c) statue with tea party groups.
Would you say it should be expected that they be profiled because of this reality ?

So what was your opinion on that kind of profiling ?

Spamature said:

The IRS profiled groups with tea party in their names.
They did it because see rampant violations of the 501(c) statue with tea party groups.
Would you say it should be expected that they be profiled because of this reality ?

So what was your opinion on that kind of profiling ?

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Rampant violations of the501(c), that's funny they had no way of knowing and what is even funnier is the Democratic groups were doing the same thing and they saw no problem. The IRS is a shill of the loony left.

Fast Eddy said:

Rampant violations of the501(c), that's funny they had no way of knowing and what is even funnier is the Democratic groups were doing the same thing and they saw no problem. The IRS is a shill of the loony left.

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White people commit violent crimes too. So the point here is still the same.

Did you agree with profiling groups with tea party or 9/12 or patriots in their names ?

Also you could say that the Ferguson police dept are acting as shills for the republicans running the city govt. in a racially based revenue raising scheme.

Spamature said:

White people commit violent crimes too. So the point here is still the same.

Did you agree with profiling groups with tea party or 9/12 or patriots in their names ?

Also you could say that the Ferguson police dept are acting as shills for the republicans running the city govt. in a racially based tax raising scheme.

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Yes, all segments of society commit violent crimes, the statistics show its way more prevalent than whites, so yes they should be profiled.

I agree that the Tea Party never did anything to deserve the profiling by the IRS.

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I am surprised they didn't skip the local stores and just loot and burn the courthouse. and city hall

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You see this is the problem. You are surprised that blacks, allegedly being targeted by the courts, didn't "just loot and burn the courthouse and city hall."
It's what liberals expect from black people. The liberal is surprised that blacks aren't fighting this injustice with violence and arson.

Fast Eddy said:

Yes, all segments of society commit violent crimes, the statistics show its way more prevalent than whites, so yes they should be profiled.

I agree that the Tea Party never did anything to deserve the profiling by the IRS.

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But they did. They tried to become tax exempt under this regulation.

Here is what the law says

Social Welfare Organizations

To be tax-exempt as a social welfare organization described in Internal Revenue Code (IRC) section 501(c)(4), an organization must not be organized for profit and must be operated exclusively to promote social welfare.


The promotion of social welfare does not include direct or indirect participation or intervention in political campaigns on behalf of or in opposition to any candidate for public office.

http://www.irs.gov/Charities-&-Non-Profits/Other-Non-Profits/Social-Welfare-Organizations

We all know that the tea party is PRIMARILY a political organization NOT a social welfare organization. They did have DIRECT PARTICIPATION in campaign activities and were definitely campaigned in opposition to a certain candidate that I do not have to name because we both know who that candidate was.

So the violations of the law were RAMPANT. All blacks are not involved in crime. But ALL tea party organization are directly involved in political campaigns against this president or for or against other candidates. And let's not even get into the scams that turned many of them into for profit organizations for the scam artist that organized them.

So now that you have been informed.

What is your opinion of the IRS profiling tea party organizations ?

gigi said:

You see this is the problem. You are surprised that blacks, allegedly being targeted by the courts, didn't "just loot and burn the courthouse and city hall."
It's what liberals expect from black people. The liberal is surprised that blacks aren't fighting this injustice with violence and arson.

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No I am saying that of the ones who were fighting against injustice with violence and arson might have been better served if they had directed that violence and arson at the institutions who were the source of that injustice.

Fast Eddy said:

I have yet to see a case of violence out of the tea party. The L-winger loons all talk about it, but the reality is much different as is the conclusion.

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What about the death threats?

Fast Eddy said:

Blacks do way more crimes than whites. They are something like 13-14% of the population and do 50% of the crimes. A little profiling is more than expected with those numbers.

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About 1% of Black Americans will commit a violent crime this year.
http://www.timwise.org/2013/08/race-crime-and-statistical-malpractice-how-the-right-manipulates-white-fear-with-bogus-data/

Are you saying it's fair that the other 99% are profiled as a result?

Oh, and if you're talking about nonviolent crime, what about the fact that whites who are searched are MORE likely to be found with contraband than Blacks who are searched?

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No I am saying that of the ones who were fighting against injustice with violence and arson might have been better served if they had directed that violence and arson at the institutions who were the source of that injustice.

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They wouldn't be. Don't you realize that violence and arson take the focus AWAY from the original injustice? Especially when the people perpetrating the violence is one of the things that causes you to have to face criminal proceedings. Imagine it.....The courts messed up my appearance times for the charge of(insert here) so I'm going to go break their windows.
And if there is something deliberate going on where the accused are having their appearance times messed with, what a wonderful cover for the racists the looting would be.

Spamature said:

The IRS profiled groups with tea party in their names.
They did it because see rampant violations of the 501(c) statue with tea party groups.
Would you say it should be expected that they be profiled because of this reality ?

So what was your opinion on that kind of profiling ?

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What rampant violations?

Also, why assume that others are guilty because some are guilty? How can you argue both sides of this? It's either wrong to target groups and people who happen to "look" like other folks who actaully are guilty of something or it's not. We can't say that it's awful to do in Ferguson but okay to do in the IRS.

As for the ticketing to increase revenue, it happens everywhere. It's not just minority communities. The fact that a community has a higher concentration of minorities doesn't make the practice "racist" when the cops are out there looking for their quotas. It reminds me of cigarettes. The push is on to eliminate smoking, but many times that states and the fed need to increase revenue, the tax is on cigarettes.

Spamature said:

No I am saying that of the ones who were fighting against injustice with violence and arson might have been better served if they had directed that violence and arson at the institutions who were the source of that injustice.

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Perhaps, but why did they not target the courthouse and city hall?

I'll tell you why...those places are full of people with guns.