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Any one interested in the truth about so called global warming....

Hmmmm

Mayor
Tomorrow I shall try to find the Russian fella for you :) - too late for me tonight.
Go for it. Given statements like "cannot have sunk down from trees and then risen again" makes me believe that I have read more than you ever will about the science including that of the Russian under discussion. Read all you want, you would have to write an entire book on the subject to say even a portion of what I have read on the subject. I am convinced that mainstream scientists have facts correct.
 
Go for it. Given statements like "cannot have sunk down from trees and then risen again" makes me believe that I have read more than you ever will about the science including that of the Russian under discussion. Read all you want, you would have to write an entire book on the subject to say even a portion of what I have read on the subject. I am convinced that mainstream scientists have facts correct.
Lol - I said that , you fool, not the Russian fella - loooooooooooooool

Here you go again - as the Irish say 'what have you got to prove?' We are discussing - you do not have to try to put me in some sort of safe unPC box al the time - Oh well obviously you do - your prob not mine -
 

Hmmmm

Mayor
Science says nothing of the sort. Science says oil is carbon based, same as biological life forms, but that does not equal biological origins. The ocean is blue, the sky is blue, doesn't make them the same thing. When she said that oil rises she was right, even in dirt it rises, your example was bullshit, you are pushing Lies. Water and vegetation never becomes oil, water remains water, it might evaporate into the atmosphere, but it never turns into oil, and vegetation turns into dirt, not oil. Your science is completely false and science does not say that water turns into oil, nor does the rock cycle contain oil. You just lied. thats all.
I think it is time for you to start reading real science books and articles. Then, you will know what science says. You may not believe it but you will know.
 

Hmmmm

Mayor
That's great, I would love to see if he has any follow up work. I once had a most interesting discussion on this subject with an executive from shell oil.
Go have the discussion with the worker bee who has the job of finding oil rather than the guy who makes money selling as much as he can.
 

Fast Eddy

Mayor
Go read a few science books on the subject. Their opinion is the same as mine and they have credibility on the subject.
Actually I have done research on this and talked to people in oil companies as to their opinion, its not cast in stone. I think it worthy to keep an open mind.
 

Days

Commentator
I think it is time for you to start reading real science books and articles. Then, you will know what science says. You may not believe it but you will know.
uh huh, hide behind that smirk, and go on lying. No science book on the planet ever said water turns into oil. No science book on the planet ever said vegetation turns into oil instead of dirt. I've built compost piles and dug them up 2 years later; all I got was dirt, no oil. You have a fairy tale, not science.
 

Days

Commentator
Go have the discussion with the worker bee who has the job of finding oil rather than the guy who makes money selling as much as he can.
Been there, done that. Oil is made five miles deep, pressure pushes it up into pockets, but when you have tapped all the oil fields, then you have to drill five miles down to where oil is made. Thats happening all over the planet, as if you didnt know.
 

Fast Eddy

Mayor
Been there, done that. Oil is made five miles deep, pressure pushes it up into pockets, but when you have tapped all the oil fields, then you have to drill five miles down to where oil is made. Thats happening all over the planet, as if you didnt know.
Here is a common view of where oil comes from. I tend to go along with this, but there is no definitive proof, I keep an open mind and keep looking.

http://dinosaurs.about.com/od/dinosaurcontroversies/a/Does-Oil-Come-From-Dinosaurs.htm
 

Days

Commentator
Here is a common view of where oil comes from. I tend to go along with this, but there is no definitive proof, I keep an open mind and keep looking.

http://dinosaurs.about.com/od/dinosaurcontroversies/a/Does-Oil-Come-From-Dinosaurs.htm
Oil wells in the Gulf of Mexico are pumped dry and sealed. Ten years later, they discover that the wells are full again. It doesn't take long to learn that deep oil is extremely plentiful if not outright being created daily down there. These are deep wells to begin with. Oil has been mapped all over the planet, it doesn't matter where you drill, just go down five miles and you will find something... that could be bacteria, but those little critters tend to be heat sensitive, it doesn't make sense they would be just as plentiful at the poles as they were at the equator. I concluded years ago that oil is a product of the high pressure and chemistry where the crust rubs against the mantle. Bacteria could be part of that chemistry, but it might not be crucial to get oil; there's different types of crude, so it stands to reason there are different compositions.

my two cents
 

Fast Eddy

Mayor
Oil wells in the Gulf of Mexico are pumped dry and sealed. Ten years later, they discover that the wells are full again. It doesn't take long to learn that deep oil is extremely plentiful if not outright being created daily down there. These are deep wells to begin with. Oil has been mapped all over the planet, it doesn't matter where you drill, just go down five miles and you will find something... that could be bacteria, but those little critters tend to be heat sensitive, it doesn't make sense they would be just as plentiful at the poles as they were at the equator. I concluded years ago that oil is a product of the high pressure and chemistry where the crust rubs against the mantle. Bacteria could be part of that chemistry, but it might not be crucial to get oil; there's different types of crude, so it stands to reason there are different compositions.

my two cents
Yup, I hear what you are saying and would not say your wrong. I think the whole area needs further study and is a very important question. I tend to fall back to the classic answer when pressed, but the earth making oil just seems like a real possibility. I really am open to further research in this area.
 
Yup, I hear what you are saying and would not say your wrong. I think the whole area needs further study and is a very important question. I tend to fall back to the classic answer when pressed, but the earth making oil just seems like a real possibility. I really am open to further research in this area.


I haven't found the Russian yet, I shall look further later, but this might be of interest 1 of 8



http://educate-yourself.org/cn/oilnotfossilbfuel29sep05.shtml


http://educate-yourself.org/cn/oilfieldsrefilling10apr05.shtml


Ahhhh found him - here he is -

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nikolai_Kudryavtsev
 
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Days

Commentator
Yup, I hear what you are saying and would not say your wrong. I think the whole area needs further study and is a very important question. I tend to fall back to the classic answer when pressed, but the earth making oil just seems like a real possibility. I really am open to further research in this area.
The bottom line as far as politics is concerned is... we never invaded Iraq to get their oil. We invaded iraq to stop Germany and France from getting their oil. The CIA pretending to be ISIS or whatever, is still keeping access to that oil limited. We cant afford to drill 5 miles down to get oil if it has to compete with shallow oil ... and Iraq has more shallow oil than any other nation on earth, including Saudi Arabia. The problem isn't scarcity, the problem is location. America wants to be oil independent of middle east oil, and today we almost are, but it cost us. We truck all our goods and this price of gas is killing us, our economy was based on cheap gas, drilling for our own oil costs too much to do that. Our leaders are like, 'suck it up" "stay the course" while millions of American families are living in shelters and the houses they used to live in are empty. Meanwhile, millions more of us are clinging to what little shelter we can afford, and the bloody rental market has actually risen in price... its an economic nightmare, all because we are too proud to be oil dependent.
 

Fast Eddy

Mayor
The bottom line as far as politics is concerned is... we never invaded Iraq to get their oil. We invaded iraq to stop Germany and France from getting their oil. The CIA pretending to be ISIS or whatever, is still keeping access to that oil limited. We cant afford to drill 5 miles down to get oil if it has to compete with shallow oil ... and Iraq has more shallow oil than any other nation on earth, including Saudi Arabia. The problem isn't scarcity, the problem is location. America wants to be oil independent of middle east oil, and today we almost are, but it cost us. We truck all our goods and this price of gas is killing us, our economy was based on cheap gas, drilling for our own oil costs too much to do that. Our leaders are like, 'suck it up" "stay the course" while millions of American families are living in shelters and the houses they used to live in are empty. Meanwhile, millions more of us are clinging to what little shelter we can afford, and the bloody rental market has actually risen in price... its an economic nightmare, all because we are too proud to be oil dependent.
The US has all the oil and gas it needs if the politicians would let them recover it. We have enough gas and oil on the north slope of Alaska to meet all our needs for the next 200 years, but the government keeps the oil company hands tied. Same damn thing for Colorado and Utah. The Gulf is greatly restricted, the east and west coast are basically off limits. What I don't understand is people fighting over oil, yet we are denied access to vast quantities of oil and gas. Their is a bigger agenda at work her than just energy.
 
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