Scotland - Does anyone give a rip
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Queen Titania
Senator
No The Queen won't loose Balmoral
http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014/sep/16/queen-balmoral-staff-ball-moved-referendum
Wulk isn't posting at the mo but he was voting Yes -
Fast Eddy
Mayor
Thanks for the castle update, I have been very curious as to what would happen.
Do you think this will create a run on others leaving?
Queen Titania
Senator
Ah well, the Nos won the day
Scoltland voted to stay in the Union - But I fear a lot of damage has been done families and communities split to say the least, a lot of mending to be done now I should imagine -They, Wales and Northern Ireland do have their own Parliaments btw The English do not because their, Scottish, N Irish, Welsh, Politicos can and do vote on matters English where as English politicos can't vote on matters Scottish, Welsh or Northern Irish -
It was an absolute and complete split the Yes wanted, which I do have sympathy with but I don't think the argument was strong enough, much too vague when it came to finance - Our Politicos rushed up at the last min and made a million promises if Scotland voted No - will they keep them, I don't think they can.
I think great harm has been done by this which I am very sorry about - it is a mess.
The romantic in me was as split as was the Scottish vote
I am so sorry for the 43 who voted Yes ( the poor voted Yes btw ) and for the now broken relationships and trust- Personally I blame the Yes Politicos for pushing for the vote without having done good enough ground work or forming strong relationships/agreements with bankers and so on. What was the point of splitting a country both with in and without with no solid footing - But I might be wrong -
Fast Eddy
Mayor
It was an interesting vote. Initially it looked like the yes vote would easily win but as they got closer to the election the margin kept dwindling, from what I saw reported.Ah well, the Nos won the day
They, Wales and Northern Ireland do have their own Parliaments btw The English do not because their, Scottish, N Irish, Welsh, Politicos can and do vote on matters English where as English politicos can't vote on matters Scottish, Welsh or Northern Irish -
It was an absolute and complete split the Yes wanted, which I do have sympathy with but I don't think the argument was strong enough, much too vague when it came to finance - Our Politicos rushed up at the last min and made a million promises if Scotland voted No - will they keep them, I don't think they can.
I think great harm has been done by this which I am very sorry about - it is a mess.
The romantic in me was as split as was the Scottish vote
Personally I blame the Yes Politicos for pushing for the vote without having done good enough ground work or forming strong relationships/agreements with bankers and so on. What was the point of splitting a country both with in and without with no solid footing - But I might be wrong -
I figured there would be a lot of scare mongering and as you said promises made.
It will be interesting to see the demographic breakdown of the vote. How did the young vote, that might be the future if there is another vote. I bet the news is all a chatter today about the vote.
Queen Titania
Senator
I have turned my Radio off - I can't listen to it anymore - and of course it is always going to be biased, at least, somewhat.
I think it was more to do with poverty vs wealth rather than age, the poor voted Yes - as well as plenty of fear mongering of course.
Honestly I didn't think they would vote Yes though, the argument for it wasn't solid enough and even if in their hearts they may have wanted to, when the Bankers and EU and USA are agin ya, what are you going to do?
I am so sorry they were pushed into the vote - I doubt there will be another, I don't/can't know though.
The Politicos can't keep their promises, the back benchers have already said they won't allow them through Parliament. The promises were as all political promises are, empty.
hey ho - poor old Scotland - many fences have to go to the menders now
I really don't know all that much about it - not in depth, I got bored early on because I saw what they were up against and that the Yes argument was too vague - too many holes - and was sure the vote would be No. Shame it wasn't a level playing ground but - ££££££££££££££££££££
Fast Eddy
Mayor
Thanks for your insight as to what went on. Most of the pieces I saw were fluff pieces and no real look at the why and how the groups broke down. I must not understand the UK system if the poor voted for it. I would think the existing system would give more benefits than a new one, a bit of a surprise.I have turned my Radio off - I can't listen to it anymore - and of course it is always going to be biased, at least, somewhat.
I think it was more to do with poverty vs wealth rather than age, the poor voted Yes - as well as plenty of fear mongering of course.
Honestly I didn't think they would vote Yes though, the argument for it wasn't solid enough and even if in their hearts they may have wanted to, when the Bankers and EU and USA are agin ya, what are you going to do?
I am so sorry they were pushed into the vote - I doubt there will be another, I don't/can't know though.
The Politicos can't keep their promises, the back benchers have already said they won't allow them through Parliament. The promises were as all political promises are, empty.
hey ho - poor old Scotland - many fences have to go to the menders now
I really don't know all that much about it - not in depth, I got bored early on because I saw what they were up against and that the Yes argument was too vague - too many holes - and was sure the vote would be No. Shame it wasn't a level playing ground but - ££££££££££££££££££££
Thanks!
RickWA
Snagglesooth
As an outsider, I was entirely split on the matter. I've shared with you before that I'm a first generation American. My father and his parents moved to the US from Birmingham in 1952. His parents (my grandparents) were very wealthy industrialist types and were the prototypical paleo English old money conservatives. My dad, to this day, remains a staunch traditionalist - stoic, stable to a fault, a living "rock" so to speak. I share many of his traits. Our esteem of UK station internationally is tempered by culture-specific preferences (I.e. it is annoying as can be that few ever reference "England" today and instead speak of the UK and, occasionally, Great Britain). We love the intricacies and cultural distinctions of the Welsh, the Scots, Northern Irish. Part of me would like to see those distinctions preserved by separation. Part of me seeks to maintain the prowess of a strong, unified UK.I have turned my Radio off - I can't listen to it anymore - and of course it is always going to be biased, at least, somewhat.
I think it was more to do with poverty vs wealth rather than age, the poor voted Yes - as well as plenty of fear mongering of course.
Honestly I didn't think they would vote Yes though, the argument for it wasn't solid enough and even if in their hearts they may have wanted to, when the Bankers and EU and USA are agin ya, what are you going to do?
I am so sorry they were pushed into the vote - I doubt there will be another, I don't/can't know though.
The Politicos can't keep their promises, the back benchers have already said they won't allow them through Parliament. The promises were as all political promises are, empty.
hey ho - poor old Scotland - many fences have to go to the menders now
I really don't know all that much about it - not in depth, I got bored early on because I saw what they were up against and that the Yes argument was too vague - too many holes - and was sure the vote would be No. Shame it wasn't a level playing ground but - ££££££££££££££££££££
As I said, I'm torn...but probably lean slightly toward independence.
The world is becoming an increasingly bland, universalist vanilla amalgam. That is a shame. A couple of years ago I hopped in a taxi in Porto Alegre in the far south of Brazil. I asked the cabbie if he could speak English (because my Portuguese sucks). In a thick New Jersey accent he says, "F*** yeah, I do!" I've had similar experiences in Taiwan, Malaysia, Jordan. I can get a pastrami sandwich nearly everywhere.
Some folks laud "internationalization" and melding of cultures. I think we lose a lot through dilution and accommodation. I'm not sure it's completely avoidable, but I'd sure like to see cultures preserved.
Queen Titania
Senator
No, it doesn't really. The fallacy is that England substitutes Scotland becaue we pay more Taxes and so Scotland, with our taxes is able to keep its' free University education and NHS prescriptions and so forth - Things the whole of Britain once had.
In fact Scotland is rich enough in its right to keep all of these things and more - Things they fear loosing because it is Westminster who decides where taxes shall be designated - and were we have gone down the slippery slope of loss Scotland fears it will now follow - as I understand it.
If the Bankers and EU and USA+Corporate had stood back and said we shall respect your vote and if the vote is Yes treat Scotland fairly as a seperate country, there really would have been no problems - NATO - EU - England and ect would not have lost a friend - The pressures from those Powers were really too strong for the Scots to dare to cross
The wicked Ways of The World -ps My sis and most English people listen to the BBC and do not understand the problem Scots have with staying in the Union- and there is the emotional tie
I would have cried but I was rooting for them
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Queen Titania
Senator
Yup - and absolutely.
ps I squirm when people call me a Brit - I am English but to say so now a days is racist I am told - bloody try to work that one out! I can't.
Oh and yes 'excuse me I am British' ( tongue in cheek) but the meaning is now other because of so many immigrants now - it is a weird PC twist.
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RickWA
Snagglesooth
It's the world we have today. I don't seek Balkanization, but I also don't like melding. It's a tough one.
Queen Titania
Senator
It is as it has always been
Except that we took our eye off the ball and allowed ourselves to be swayed by the bastards who used our compassion and empathy against us - it is indeed a twisted and fuc'ked up web we find our selves in -Vive la difference is definately un PC = communism.
Fast Eddy
Mayor
I have to admit I favor some cultures over others, so some have nice little traits I adore and others get under my skin. I try not to be that way, but its hard not to have favorites. I worked with a lot of Brits (they called themselves that) and loved the expressions they use, but I hated that stiff upper lip style of talking. They always seemed to be mumbling and no way in hell you could read their lips.
In dealing with people all over the world it was amazing to me the differences in how they talked. Someone from Japan or Asia in general will not state things overtly and you have to read the signs, but give me someone from Europe and everything is pretty straight. So much fun in the differences, to bad everyone doesn't get along better.
In dealing with people all over the world it was amazing to me the differences in how they talked. Someone from Japan or Asia in general will not state things overtly and you have to read the signs, but give me someone from Europe and everything is pretty straight. So much fun in the differences, to bad everyone doesn't get along better.
Queen Titania
Senator
On a level playing ground we would all get along better - says I who has a bloody awful dispute over a hedge, of all things, with my next door bully of a neighbour! Lol -
