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Hitler: Crazy....Or Just A Rotten Thug?

Re: Mud People - I mistook you for a Nazi sympathizer -My apologies if I was wrong -

So far as the theory - it is based on facts and speculation . That he was hypnotized as part of his treatment is highly probable - that it is the spark which ignited his frevent fanataicsm is less probable - as it appears he was already pretty much fanatical to begin with.
Nazi was a derogatory term for National Socialists used by the Communists, are you a Communist? The National Socialists had one for the Communists in turn, i have forgotten now what it was - most seem to have forgotten the big problem of Communism which was sweeping over Europe at that time - And that The Partisans/Resistance were communists, be they Jewish or other -

Yes, Hitler was a fanatical soldier - daring to say the least, if on the Victors side he would be the stuff of Heros, and he did his best to talk his comrades in arms not to smoke or drink too - So, yes, that facet of him was already present - this is what I am saying, they have not done their home work but they will make money from the book. Keeping the Lie alive - at that time in our history we need to look at what was happening every where - as in, for eg- the experiments going on in Germany were also going on in the US and Britain ect reading those who wrote before WWI and between the Wars gives us a proper back ground - 'Court Historians' who write the History books do not.

I believed them all too, the Lies, at one time. I have changed my mind, my understanding, through educating myself with the works of honest Historians who put their very lives on the line to tell us the truth. And yes I have come to admire Hitler. But no I am not 'racist' - my biggest problem with Jews is with their mutilation of their baby boys at 8 days old - this I have come to understand the deeper horrors of from a French Jewish prof - Roger Dommergue, though I have been against it since I was 16/17 after hearing the screams of a tiny baby boy whose young Jewish mother thought she had to have it done before she gave him up for adoption - her babies screams and her shock will haunt me forever -


As are most Revisionists, I am, and always have been, a pacifist - Truth and Reconciliation is the way forward - toward Peace on Earth - which is my vision.

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GreenBean

Council Member
Nazi was a derogatory term for National Socialists used by the Communists, are you a Communist? The National Socialists had one for the Communists in turn, i have forgotten now what it was - most seem to have forgotten the big problem of Communism which was sweeping over Europe at that time - And that The Partisans/Resistance were communists, be they Jewish or other -

Yes, Hitler was a fanatical soldier - daring to say the least, if on the Victors side he would be the stuff of Heros, and he did his best to talk his comrades in arms not to smoke or drink too - So, yes, that facet of him was already present - this is what I am saying, they have not done their home work but they will make money from the book. Keeping the Lie alive - at that time in our history we need to look at what was happening every where - as in, for eg- the experiments going on in Germany were also going on in the US and Britain ect reading those who wrote before WWI and between the Wars gives us a proper back ground - 'Court Historians' who write the History books do not.

I believed them all too, the Lies, at one time. I have changed my mind, my understanding, through educating myself with the works of honest Historians who put their very lives on the line to tell us the truth. And yes I have come to admire Hitler. But no I am not 'racist' - my biggest problem with Jews is with their mutilation of their baby boys at 8 days old - this I have come to understand the deeper horrors of from a French Jewish prof - Roger Dommergue, though I have been against it since I was 16/17 after hearing the screams of a tiny baby boy whose young Jewish mother thought she had to have it done before she gave him up for adoption - her babies screams and her shock will haunt me forever -


As are most Revisionists, I am, and always have been, a pacifist - Truth and Reconciliation is the way forward - toward Peace on Earth - which is my vision.

ok :)
For someone who relishes History the way you do, you totally exposed a intellectual prejudice towards the semites with the statement re: Circumcision [highlighted above]

Circumcision is not purely a "Jewish" thing - it is practised in many divurgent cultures. I was circumncised myself, and I'm Native American - I don't recall if it was painful or not -I wasn't cognizant yet - Jews, Moslems and even Aborigines of Austrailia. Keeping the foreskin clean is a persistent problem

... In the Second World War Australia had to send urologists to circumcise all of its troops fighting in the North African campaign who were not already circumcised [Short, 2006]. Similarly sand was a problem for uncircumcised men during the Gulf War in Iraq (“Desert Storm”) in the early 1990s [Gardner, 1991; Schoen, 2007e].
http://www.circinfo.net/what_caused_many_cultures_to_remove_it.html
The ancient Jews - undoubtedly experienced the same problems our troops in the dessert did just recently.
 
For someone who relishes History the way you do, you totally exposed a intellectual prejudice towards the semites with the statement re: Circumcision [highlighted above]

Circumcision is not purely a "Jewish" thing - it is practised in many divurgent cultures. I was circumncised myself, and I'm Native American - I don't recall if it was painful or not -I wasn't cognizant yet - Jews, Moslems and even Aborigines of Austrailia. Keeping the foreskin clean is a persistent problem



The ancient Jews - undoubtedly experienced the same problems our troops in the dessert did just recently.
I am horrified that so many Americans are allowing their baby boys to be mutilated/circumcised - a fact i have only just been made aware of when I dared to write a thread on it here - The fore skin keeps the nob clean as it protects it and it is the male equiverlant of the female clitorus - how is it difficult to keep clean? and baby boys don't even have a foreskin anyway - they are skinned alive.

http://www.intactamerica.org/

http://www.doctorsopposingcircumcision.org/

http://www.jewsagainstcircumcision.org/

It is particularly the effects on the whole person of such a mutilation performed on the 8th day after birth - see Dommergue in next post - as for Muslims and others who mutilate later, children do, in theory, have the ability of making a choice babies can't - no matter which way you argue it.



But back to the old PC laws - Jewishness is an extremely complex subject - to call me anti something or other because I have stated one thing I am not in agreement over them with is narrow minded - not that i care any longer, it is just lazy thinking, it shows you do not think for yourself.
 
Dommegue -




dimanche 16 novembre 2003

Dear Mr Zundel,

I read your letter with a paramount interest as it is at the core of
life itself.

My answer will be as clear as possible as such issues deserve perfect
understanding.

You are the top symbol of "the age of darkness", an age when
everything is upside down, an age when the elite is in prison and the
riff raff on the throne of nations and lead us to nothingness.

As you know, I am not the only Jew putting my peers on trial. Did
Simone Weil not write:" the Jews, this handful of uprooted people
have been the cause of the uprooting of the whole planet "S

First of all, let me tell you the most important before I scan your letter:

The only common denominator which may explain the Jewish issue is
their circumcision at the 8th day which perturbs the 21 days of the
1st puberty. This perturbation brings about, through hormono-psychic
action, a speculative parasitic mentality, the cause of antijewism of
all times, all nations in all languages.

As a matter of fact this peculiar circumcision at the first day of
the first puberty brings about a hypotrophy of the "internal genital"
( génitale interne ou interstitielle) , the organ of moral sense (not
morality), spirit of synthesis, altruism. It determines also a
physiologic hypertrophy of the pituitary ( analysis, finance,
ideologies) and of the thyroid ( sensitiveness: actors, pianists,
violinists, popular novelists and musicians).

We have known for forty years that this gland is atrophied among
insane people. It is hypotrophied with the Jews. They have just
enough of it to marshal their "pituitary" or "thyroid" speculations.
But there is no Bach, Chopin, Beethoven, Fra Angelico, Praxitèle
among them.

Their scrounging, lack of moral sense, their impotence in checking
their speculations becoming parasitic, is the cause of universal
antijewism.
Having all powers they try and protect themselves by making puppets
politicians promulgate totalitarian laws such as the "Fabius Gayssot"
in France, which enable them to charge anybody with racism. All
those who tell the truth which they cannot stand. They are themselves
the most racist in the world. ( see the Talmud). Lying is for them
a vital and absolute necessity. Thence the banning by law or research
concerning the so-called Shoa, the second world war of which they are
responsible as Neville Chamberlain, first minister of her gracious
Majesty, wrote to his sister in 1939: " It is America and the Jews
who pushed us towards the war".

They could not stand that a statesman in Europe eradicate Capitalism
and Marxism which they live on ( in spite of a fake antagonism since
they created Bolshevism with billions of dollars and factories ).
Usury and ideologies are for them what a leaf is for a snail.
Socialism for instance, is one of their keys to world domination.

The Jews are very different according to the ethnicity in which they
were born and live. They look like the others, so to say, BUT they
may have the grotesque features, universally well-known together with
high speculative powers. Those particular features, all the Jews
governing the world, have them. See the carnassial heads of
financiers like Zaharoff, ( who sold arms to all the countries which
fought with each other) Rockfeller, (Steinhauer) or Soros, who, a
telephone in one hand sinks the bank of England and with a telephone
in the other hand, earns billions of old francs.

In fact the Jews have all powers since the 1789 revolution which
made financiers kings of the world. The revolution has rubbed out all
the veritable elites who now, on a powerless balcony behold the
disappearance of mankind in a putrid world.

What Hitler had not understood is that this "mental race" as he said,
is due to their circumcision at the 8th day : he would have
understood it of course as he would have understood the functional
predominance of the hormonal system over the nervous system.

What Doctor Hare says is obvious to me: the defects of all those
delinquents arise from the insufficiency of their "génitale interne"
The Jews have the same defects for the same reasons but on top they
have their immense speculative powers. So the average delinquents
will kill their mother in law, their wives, steal money etc when the
Jews will be high delinquents in finance, (Federal reserve!) war
mongering , in all legality.

Their craving for the suppression of death penalty shows their
relationship with criminals.

When Badinter shook hands with Patrick Henry a murderer who kidnapped
a child of seven years old and killed him, it is not out of pure
chance : it is the symbol of their psychological relationship with
top criminals. So in the modern world the Jews are legal mega
criminals. ( they are also illegal ones: Meyer Lanski, Flato Sharon
etc).

Liberalism enables all this rot to emerge at the top of society, but
neither truth nor true elites will.
As there is no possible dialogue, we are doomed to universal destruction .

The Jewish problem is not a question of race and the modern world is
dying from their bright, cunning, satanic, utterly insane mentality .
Without spirit of synthesis and moral sense they will drag us all
into the abyss of nothingness. All the Rumsfeld will bump their heads
into the walls of blind alleysS

Even if they should eradicate circumcision at the 8th day, it is too
late now to change the course of the earth towards its end.

Hitler did settle a genuine Christianity.

( I do not want to speak about Christ of whom I do not think much
good: the Gospels are a treaty of psychopathology and the part of the
Church in History is appalling enough to cry. "If Christianity
triumphs in 2000 years the entire world will be Jewish", Emperor
Julian said. And Hitler: "the Princes and the Church have given away
the peoples to the Jews".

Hitler knew that true religion was not to mutter prayers in front of
infantile dogmas but to establish the laws of God and nature. He
actually did so.

He put everything in its place: a clean economy no longer in the grip
of speculative capitalism which was superseded by "capital-work", an
ideal for the young ones able to achieve their different professional
callings, the respect of workers freed from unemployment and
trade-unions, with their wives who could stay at home in houses of
their own, and bring up their children who would not become clients
of pathogenic and crime-egging music, drug-addiction, and suicides. We
can see in films the magnificent look in their eyes which expresses
joy of living, purity of soul, their well shaped bodies, to
understand the unique miracle Hitler had achieved in the History of
mankind. A sort of human perfection far from capitalisto
Marxism. Such socialism is the very essence of a real Christianity.

My peer and colleague Finkelkraut was right when he mentioned on FR3
that "Nazism has sinned by excess of good". To that I add:"
capitalisto Marxism has sinned by excess of evil".

Brasillach ( a staunch anti nazi at the beginning) and Alphonse de
Chateaubriant understood that Nazism was a miracle in human history.
This miracle was achieved by the genius of Hitler and the willpower
and courage of his people.

Chateaubriant said:" in our days a motion has risen : it expresses
the essential of Christianity. National Socialism is a religious
spring".

The Jews are frightened by Hitler's ghost. Hitler is God's friend as
the Jews are Satan's agents through the desultory circumcision at the
8th day which makes that even a good and charming Jewish couple may
beget a Freud, a Marx, a Soros or a Kaganovitch, a Flato Sharon or a
Meyer Lanski.

No elite can fight against capitalisto Marxist disintegration:
general chemicalisation, ( ground, food, remedies), the rottening of
youth, pornography, the influence of freudo-marxist secularism,
destruction of all values, ecology, nuclear power stations, with
radioactive waste impossible to destroy or stockpile, atomic,
hydrogen and neutron bombs, ( Oppenheimer, Field, Cohen) not to
mention an enormous world wide weaponry. It is degeneracy which
accounts for the fact that white people do not stick together to
defend themselves. Coloured ethnicities defend themselves as they are
not so degenerated by progress. They are in a lesser degree, victims
of progress about which Simone Weil said "the delusion of progress,
it is Israel":

Those are the answers to your two issues: The Jews are hormonally
distorted and cannot stop their speculations and Hitler was a unique
genius. The Jews think to get out of their doom by flourishing their
so called holocaust when 6O millions goyim were killed in a Bolshevik
regime which was utterly Jewish in its essence. ( 60 millions
inferior to 6 millions!!!)

Hitler had understood everything: " if the Jews with their Marxist
profession of faith take the lead of mankind, then man will disappear
from the earth which will keep on revolving in ether as it did
millions of years ago".

The Jews should have suppressed their circumcision. As they did not,
they will drag us into a world suicide.

If I could reach this level of conscience it is because my
circumcision took place much later than the 8th day. So I did
recuperate my "genitale interne" and my pituitary and thyroid
remained stimulated by Jewish heredity.

The Goyim are wading in an immense smallishness which makes us think
that there is no hope left.

Please excuse me for my English: I never remained one or two years in
an English speaking country and this is indeed a very awkward
achievement!

All my friendship and admiration to a veritable elite,


http://www.adelaideinstitute.org/Dissenters/zundel11.htm
 

GreenBean

Council Member
I am horrified that so many Americans are allowing their baby boys to be mutilated/circumcised - a fact i have only just been made aware of when I dared to write a thread on it here - The fore skin keeps the nob clean as it protects it and it is the male equiverlant of the female clitorus - how is it difficult to keep clean? and baby boys don't even have a foreskin anyway - they are skinned alive.

http://www.intactamerica.org/

http://www.doctorsopposingcircumcision.org/

http://www.jewsagainstcircumcision.org/

It is particularly the effects on the whole person of such a mutilation performed on the 8th day after birth - see Dommegue in next post - as for Muslims and others who mutilate later, children do, in theory, have the ability of making a choice babies can't - no matter which way you argue it.



But back to the old PC laws - Jewishness is an extremely complex subject - to call me anti something or other because I have stated one thing I am not in agreement over them with is narrow minded - not that i care any longer, it is just lazy thinking, it shows you do not think for yourself.
You missed the whole point ,or perhaps I didn't properly convey it - Circumcision serves a useful finction. Notas much in Modern society as it did in the daysof the ancient Hebrew wandering in the wastelands. See the article I linked to aboutsoldiers from ww2 to the persian gulf who endured health issues because they were not circumsized .

Alsosee the info. re other cultures that have the same practice - my question is why you are singling out the Jews ?
 

GreenBean

Council Member
I am horrified that so many Americans are allowing their baby boys to be mutilated/circumcised - a fact i have only just been made aware of when I dared to write a thread on it here - The fore skin keeps the nob clean as it protects it and it is the male equiverlant of the female clitorus - how is it difficult to keep clean? and baby boys don't even have a foreskin anyway - they are skinned alive.

http://www.intactamerica.org/

http://www.doctorsopposingcircumcision.org/

http://www.jewsagainstcircumcision.org/

It is particularly the effects on the whole person of such a mutilation performed on the 8th day after birth - see Dommergue in next post - as for Muslims and others who mutilate later, children do, in theory, have the ability of making a choice babies can't - no matter which way you argue it.



But back to the old PC laws - Jewishness is an extremely complex subject - to call me anti something or other because I have stated one thing I am not in agreement over them with is narrow minded - not that i care any longer, it is just lazy thinking, it shows you do not think for yourself.

You have ignored the fact that it is not exclusively a "Jewish" tradition, and you have chosen to ignore the benefical health issues associated with circumcision.

So far as your being anti-semitic --- that seems to be what your posts so far have indicated .

You post favorably of Adolph - and you persistently post negatively re: Jews . You say you're not anti-semitic ? Possibly - You say you have an avid intellectual lust for History ?

What are your opinions re: Protocols of the Elders of Zion or the UN resolution equating Zionism to Racism ?
 

Jen

Senator
From way back in 1998: Interesting read on perhaps the most notorious criminal of all time:

Insane or Just Evil? A Psychiatrist Takes a New Look at Hitler

Adolf Hitler is often referred to as a madman, in part because most people are loath to accept such enormity of evil as anything other than the byproduct of psychosis. Yet just how ''mad'' Hitler was, and how much of the evil he perpetrated can be attributed to illness, either physical or mental, has been a subject of disagreement among historians.

The publication this week of the first comprehensive medical and psychological biography of the Nazi leader, ''Hitler: Diagnosis of a Destructive Prophet'' (Oxford University Press, $35), is likely to intensify the debate. In it, Dr. Fritz Redlich, a neurologist and psychiatrist, concludes that though Hitler exhibited many psychiatric symptoms, including extreme paranoia and defenses that ''could fill a psychiatry textbook,'' he most likely was not truly mentally ill. Hitler's paranoid delusions, Dr. Redlich writes, ''could be viewed as a symptom of mental disorder, but most of the personality functioned more than adequately.'' Hitler, he added, ''knew what he was doing and he chose to do it with pride and enthusiasm.''

And while the Nazi leader was afflicted with a variety of physical ills, both real and psychogenic, he suffered from nothing severe enough to take the blame for his crimes.

Dr. Redlich, professor emeritus of psychiatry at both Yale University and the University of California at Los Angeles, began his research 10 years ago as an effort to refute assertions made by some so-called Holocaust revisionists, including that Hitler was manipulated by his personal physician, Dr. Theodor Morell. But when Dr. Redlich discovered that there were few substantive works on Hitler's medical condition, the psychiatrist says, he decided to go further, constructing what he calls a ''pathography,'' or ''study of the life and character of an individual, as influenced by disease.''



Complete text: http://www.nytimes.com/1998/11/17/science/insane-or-just-evil-a-psychiatrist-takes-a-new-look-at-hitler.html
The Obama administration would deem him a thug, catch him, put him on trial and some Liberal lawyer would get him "rehabilitated".
 
You missed the whole point ,or perhaps I didn't properly convey it - Circumcision serves a useful finction. Notas much in Modern society as it did in the daysof the ancient Hebrew wandering in the wastelands. See the article I linked to aboutsoldiers from ww2 to the persian gulf who endured health issues because they were not circumsized .

Alsosee the info. re other cultures that have the same practice - my question is why you are singling out the Jews ?
Circumcision serves no useful purpose - that is a fallacy.

You obviously do not know anything about its history either. The modern reasons given for experimenting with it are now cleanliness - before that, and in the main, it was to stop masturbation - that is still the main reason given in Judaism.

What later becomes the fore skin ( babies do not have a foreskin, the skin is still adhered to the body of the penis) is the main pleasure point of the penis as well as being its' cleanser, protector and the protector of the sperm and the lubricator in sexual union, protecting both the male and female during union and ect - i have given you three links. Ask any woman if they felt it ok to dig out their daughters clitoris, with a knife, when she is 8 days old and she will be appalled -why then is it ok to do exactly the same to her baby boy? Anesthetics, when and if used, don't help the pain and the trauma on every level is just as bad with or with out - ( It is never performed by fully trained persons - babies die, rupture the stomachs screaming - penis turns black and baby boys are then surgically turned into baby girls and so on - what for/ the fore skin can be pulled back from the age of about 7 -19 - why skin a tiny penis when the foreskin doesn't even pull back, when it is still adhered to the penis? Why not wait until the boy is of the age of consent?

The History of circumcision has nothing to do with cleanliness or masturbation though, it has to do with Masters and Slaves - The Egyptians learned it from African High Priest and took to circumcising those who would be Pharaoh when the were 7 days old - so that they would be impervious to the plight of mere mortals - they also took to circumcising their Slaves but when they were much older - our hormones re-balance themselves three times before we come into adult hood - the effect circumcision has at each turn is different.

Also, 2000 years ago if we are to say that Christ was circumcised - it was not such a brutal mutilation then, most of the 'foreskin' was left in tact - only the over hang was cut.

Circumcision is genetic engineering - it is irreparable - and here is the most important question - choice. How dare anyone mutilate a baby, how dare they. What right does anyone have to go chopping bits off a baby? What if someone suddenly decided it was better if we had no lips, that we could keep our teeth cleaner that way - would it be ok by you if we chopped babies lips off at 8 days old? - there is no difference between the two, in fact circumcision is worse in the hormonal department - I do not tell this to hurt any one but to present you with the truth - in the hopes that America will come to its senses and stop this barbarity.

We happened to be talking about Jews - and it is the 8th day which is the killer, the killer of us all. Of the Planet Earth.

You are questioning what you perceive to be my being anti semetic - people have always been anti semetic - they have been thrown out of 109 civilizations - Why? - I do not want anyone to turn on Jews - but we are living under Jewish Rule and so we must know the nature of this secretive beast, for its sake as well as for the rest of us and the Planet, with a slight chance of saving us all before it is too late, if it isn't already - Prof Roger Dommergue, a Jew himself, has the explanation - The worst thing is, and the reason I have now given up hope, is that they have persuaded Americans to become Jews - :( Your humanity is cut out when you are babes in arms too -
 
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For someone who relishes History the way you do, you totally exposed a intellectual prejudice towards the semites with the statement re: Circumcision [highlighted above]

Circumcision is not purely a "Jewish" thing - it is practised in many divurgent cultures. I was circumncised myself, and I'm Native American - I don't recall if it was painful or not -I wasn't cognizant yet - Jews, Moslems and even Aborigines of Austrailia. Keeping the foreskin clean is a persistent problem



The ancient Jews - undoubtedly experienced the same problems our troops in the dessert did just recently.
That is crazy, I knew many many men who fought in WWII and in North Africa - Australia had a thing about it - I can't be bothered to look into it now but if you are really interested you should look deeper - what ever reasons they may give be sure it is not the truth - Circumcising soldiers has to to with their mentality not their physicality -

Having worked in brothels for 20 years in a mining district where many were Muslims and so circumcised - I know on every level what I am talking about - I have also had Jewish lovers so know too the difference in the mutilations of different cultures too - some are more brutal cuts than others - The most brutal I have seen were the older Kurds -
 
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The Obama administration would deem him a thug, catch him, put him on trial and some Liberal lawyer would get him "rehabilitated".
The National Socialists were as close to true Christian principles as any civerlization has ever been - The US and co are ruled by Satanists.

'God' said you would worship the Devil, thinking he were God, and God was right -

Hitler was the Greatest man of the 20th century - and his memory is still feared, which is why he is still demonized - One day soon, when you all realize the truth you will weep, as I did -
 

GreenBean

Council Member
The National Socialists were as close to true Christian principles as any civerlization has ever been - The US and co are ruled by Satanists.

'God' said you would worship the Devil, thinking he were God, and God was right -

Hitler was the Greatest man of the 20th century - and his memory is still feared, which is why he is still demonized - One day soon, when you all realize the truth you will weep, as I did -

I've read quite a bit re: Hitler and his cronies delving heavily into occult practices . His obsession with the Holy Grail, ... the Spear of Destiny as well as their use of occult symbolism -the swastika for instance . I also recall reading of a conversation where he speculated on "reviving" Wodan - the ancient germanic creator God . Allthough he may have paid lipservice to Christianity I find it highly unlikley he was a Christian.

There is even specualtion that the SS were formulatinga religous cult with Hitler in the place of Christ .
 
I've read quite a bit re: Hitler and his cronies delving heavily into occult practices . His obsession with the Holy Grail, ... the Spear of Destiny as well as their use of occult symbolism -the swastika for instance . I also recall reading of a conversation where he speculated on "reviving" Wodan - the ancient germanic creator God . Allthough he may have paid lipservice to Christianity I find it highly unlikley he was a Christian.

There is even specualtion that the SS were formulatinga religous cult with Hitler in the place of Christ .
Bull shi't :) - and on that happy note - night night and sweet dreams xxx
 

EatTheRich

President
Hitler was, of course, the darling of bankers from the Reichsbank in Berlin to Chase National (now Chase Manhattan) in New York. They loved him for, first and foremost, his firm anticommunism. And they actively supported his aggressive, militaristic policies.
 

GreenBean

Council Member
Hitler was, of course, the darling of bankers from the Reichsbank in Berlin to Chase National (now Chase Manhattan) in New York. They loved him for, first and foremost, his firm anticommunism. And they actively supported his aggressive, militaristic policies.

"The Capitalists will sell us the rope with which we will hang them." - Lenin

And the Communists were also "darlings" of American Bankers as well - the world and it's history can not be explained away in the simplistic black and white terms that have been drilled into your head by the socio-fascist machine my friend.

The top Communist leaders have never been as hostile to their counterparts in the West, as the rhetoric suggests. They are quite friendly to the world's leading financiers and have worked closely with them, when it suits their purposes. As we shall see in the following section, the Bolshevik revolution actually was financed by wealthy financiers in London and New York. Lenin and Trotsky were on the closest of terms with these moneyed interests both before and after the Revolution. Those hidden liaisons have continued to this day and occasionally pop to the surface, when we discover a David Rockefeller holding confidential meetings with a Mikhail Gorbachev in the absence of government sponsorship or diplomatic purpose.

http://www.wildboar.net/multilingual/easterneuropean/russian/literature/articles/whofinanced/whofinancedleninandtrotsky.html
 
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EatTheRich

President
"The Capitalists will sell us the rope with which we will hang them." - Lenin

And the Communists were also "darlings" of American Bankers as well - the world and it's history can not be explained away in the simplistic black and white terms that have been drilled into your head by the socio-fascist machine my friend.

The top Communist leaders have never been as hostile to their counterparts in the West, as the rhetoric suggests. They are quite friendly to the world's leading financiers and have worked closely with them, when it suits their purposes. As we shall see in the following section, the Bolshevik revolution actually was financed by wealthy financiers in London and New York. Lenin and Trotsky were on the closest of terms with these moneyed interests both before and after the Revolution. Those hidden liaisons have continued to this day and occasionally pop to the surface, when we discover a David Rockefeller holding confidential meetings with a Mikhail Gorbachev in the absence of government sponsorship or diplomatic purpose.

http://www.wildboar.net/multilingual/easterneuropean/russian/literature/articles/whofinanced/whofinancedleninandtrotsky.html
Your link is filled with innuendo of the sort
It has been claimed that his expenses were paid by Jacob Schiff. There is no documentation to substantiate that claim, but the circumstantial evidence does point to a wealthy donor in New York.

There is a huge difference between Lenin and Trotsky, representing the proletarian revolution, and Gorbachev, representing the Stalinist counterrevolution. Stalin and his successors, up to and including Gorbachev, Yeltsin, and Putin, did indeed work closely with the capitalist class to undermine the work of Lenin, Trotsky, and the masses they organized and led to victory.
 

GreenBean

Council Member
Your link is filled with innuendo of the sort


There is a huge difference between Lenin and Trotsky, representing the proletarian revolution, and Gorbachev, representing the Stalinist counterrevolution. Stalin and his successors, up to and including Gorbachev, Yeltsin, and Putin, did indeed work closely with the capitalist class to undermine the work of Lenin, Trotsky, and the masses they organized and led to victory.
Your link is filled with innuendo of the sort
And your point ? -I posted it to show that capitalists financed the Bolsheviks / Communists the same as they financed the Third Reich. The Lenin quote I believe sums it up - the capitalist wouldsellthecommie the very ropethat they seeek to hang him with . No debate here.

There is a huge difference between Lenin and Trotsky, representing the proletarian revolution, and Gorbachev, representing the Stalinist counterrevolution. Stalin and his successors, up to and including Gorbachev, Yeltsin, and Putin, did indeed work closely with the capitalist class to undermine the work of Lenin, Trotsky, and the masses they organized and led to victory.
I agree re: Gorbachev, who is one of my personal heroes from recent history . A great man. Gorbachev and Reagan I suspect worked in cahoutz behind the scenes. As far as Putin - remains to be seen .... in the context of this discussion - the link / article was posted to demonstrate that capitalists financed the Bolsheviks / Communists the same as they financed the Third Reich. The Lenin quote I believe sums it up....
 

EatTheRich

President
And your point ? -I posted it to show that capitalists financed the Bolsheviks / Communists the same as they financed the Third Reich. The Lenin quote I believe sums it up - the capitalist wouldsellthecommie the very ropethat they seeek to hang him with . No debate here.



I agree re: Gorbachev, who is one of my personal heroes from recent history . A great man. Gorbachev and Reagan I suspect worked in cahoutz behind the scenes. As far as Putin - remains to be seen .... in the context of this discussion - the link / article was posted to demonstrate that capitalists financed the Bolsheviks / Communists the same as they financed the Third Reich. The Lenin quote I believe sums it up....
The Bolsheviks certainly got (fairly insubstantial) material aid from the Germans, who hoped they would stir up trouble for the czar ... little imagining that they would be successful. And they may well have been supported, before the February (capitalist) revolution, by bankers like Schiff who hated the czarist empire and its deep-rooted anti-Semitism.
 

BitterPill

The Shoe Cometh
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From way back in 1998: Interesting read on perhaps the most notorious criminal of all time:

Insane or Just Evil? A Psychiatrist Takes a New Look at Hitler

Adolf Hitler is often referred to as a madman, in part because most people are loath to accept such enormity of evil as anything other than the byproduct of psychosis. Yet just how ''mad'' Hitler was, and how much of the evil he perpetrated can be attributed to illness, either physical or mental, has been a subject of disagreement among historians.

The publication this week of the first comprehensive medical and psychological biography of the Nazi leader, ''Hitler: Diagnosis of a Destructive Prophet'' (Oxford University Press, $35), is likely to intensify the debate. In it, Dr. Fritz Redlich, a neurologist and psychiatrist, concludes that though Hitler exhibited many psychiatric symptoms, including extreme paranoia and defenses that ''could fill a psychiatry textbook,'' he most likely was not truly mentally ill. Hitler's paranoid delusions, Dr. Redlich writes, ''could be viewed as a symptom of mental disorder, but most of the personality functioned more than adequately.'' Hitler, he added, ''knew what he was doing and he chose to do it with pride and enthusiasm.''

And while the Nazi leader was afflicted with a variety of physical ills, both real and psychogenic, he suffered from nothing severe enough to take the blame for his crimes.

Dr. Redlich, professor emeritus of psychiatry at both Yale University and the University of California at Los Angeles, began his research 10 years ago as an effort to refute assertions made by some so-called Holocaust revisionists, including that Hitler was manipulated by his personal physician, Dr. Theodor Morell. But when Dr. Redlich discovered that there were few substantive works on Hitler's medical condition, the psychiatrist says, he decided to go further, constructing what he calls a ''pathography,'' or ''study of the life and character of an individual, as influenced by disease.''



Complete text: http://www.nytimes.com/1998/11/17/science/insane-or-just-evil-a-psychiatrist-takes-a-new-look-at-hitler.html
He was a crazy, rotten thug. He was the head Nazi for chrissakes.
 
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