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Obama: incompetent or lawless?

Jen

Senator
Is President Obama incompetent or just plain lawless?
Which is it with this president?
Is it possible to even know?

The president has discretion to adapt law enforcement to the needs of the times and to his reading of the wishes of the American people. Yet that discretion has a serious and mandatory guiding light -- namely, that the president will do so faithfully.[....]

The Framers [of our nation] could not have intended a president so devoid of fidelity to the rule of law that it is nearly impossible to distinguish between incompetence and lawlessness -- and I am not sure which is worse. Archbishop Fulton Sheen often said he’d prefer to deal with a smart devil than a stupid one.

Let's itemize some of the issues President Obama has dealt with:

Item: He has permitted illegal immigrants to remain here and continue to break the law, and he has instructed them on how to get away with it. His encouragement has resulted in the flood of tens of thousands of foreign unaccompanied children being pushed across our borders. The results are impacting communities, states and the children who are here with no family support.

Item: His agents fomented a revolution in Libya that resulted in the murder of that country’s leader, the killing of the U.S. ambassador and the evacuation of the U.S. embassy. But of course, as his Secretary of State so blithely informed us "what difference does it make?"

Item: He has dispatched CIA agents to fight undeclared and secret wars in Yemen and in Pakistan, and he has dispatched unmanned drones to kill innocents there. He has boasted that some secret reading of public positive law permits him to kill whomever he wishes, even Americans and their children. He feels powerful.

Item: His Department of Veterans Affairs has so neglected patients in government hospitals that many of them died, and it even destroyed records to hide its misdeeds. His Internal Revenue Service has enforced the law more heavily against his political opponents than against his friends, and it has destroyed government computer records in order to hide its misdeeds.


Item: He has relieved his friends of the burdens of timely compliance with Obamacare, and he has burdened his enemies with tortured interpretations of that law -- even interpretations that were rejected by the very Congress that enacted the law and interpretations that were invalidated by the Supreme Court.


At this point, it doesn't really matter whether President Obama is incompetent or lawless.
He is ruining all of us and our country. The question is whether or not we can survive 2 more years under him.
 

BobbyT

Governor
Is President Obama incompetent or just plain lawless?
Which is it with this president?
Is it possible to even know?

The president has discretion to adapt law enforcement to the needs of the times and to his reading of the wishes of the American people. Yet that discretion has a serious and mandatory guiding light -- namely, that the president will do so faithfully.[....]

The Framers [of our nation] could not have intended a president so devoid of fidelity to the rule of law that it is nearly impossible to distinguish between incompetence and lawlessness -- and I am not sure which is worse. Archbishop Fulton Sheen often said he’d prefer to deal with a smart devil than a stupid one.

Let's itemize some of the issues President Obama has dealt with:

Item: He has permitted illegal immigrants to remain here and continue to break the law, and he has instructed them on how to get away with it. His encouragement has resulted in the flood of tens of thousands of foreign unaccompanied children being pushed across our borders. The results are impacting communities, states and the children who are here with no family support.

Item: His agents fomented a revolution in Libya that resulted in the murder of that country’s leader, the killing of the U.S. ambassador and the evacuation of the U.S. embassy. But of course, as his Secretary of State so blithely informed us "what difference does it make?"

Item: He has dispatched CIA agents to fight undeclared and secret wars in Yemen and in Pakistan, and he has dispatched unmanned drones to kill innocents there. He has boasted that some secret reading of public positive law permits him to kill whomever he wishes, even Americans and their children. He feels powerful.

Item: His Department of Veterans Affairs has so neglected patients in government hospitals that many of them died, and it even destroyed records to hide its misdeeds. His Internal Revenue Service has enforced the law more heavily against his political opponents than against his friends, and it has destroyed government computer records in order to hide its misdeeds.

Item: He has relieved his friends of the burdens of timely compliance with Obamacare, and he has burdened his enemies with tortured interpretations of that law -- even interpretations that were rejected by the very Congress that enacted the law and interpretations that were invalidated by the Supreme Court.

At this point, it doesn't really matter whether President Obama is incompetent or lawless.
He is ruining all of us and our country. The question is whether or not we can survive 2 more years under him.
So let me guess: you're going to find fault with Obama no matter what he does. Well, no surprise there. So, the Veterans were well cared for before Obama? No problem with their care before he became president? No CIA agents doing anything secretly before Obama, right? No providing drugs in LA or anything, right? No ambassadors or any other embassy personnel died before Obama was president, right? You're blatantly anti-Obama no matter what, there's no thought behind what you post, you're just "if Obama did it, it's wrong." Transparent, no-thought, knee-jerk, anti-whatever-Obama-does. If Obama chooses it, it's wrong. If Obama doesn't choose it, he's wrong. If Obama wants it, it's wrong. If Obama doesn't want it, he should. Face it, there's nothing he could, or couldn't do, that would be something you'd support.
 

Jen

Senator
Thanks for showing your partisanship, bd.

And to Bobby. Yes. I find fault with everything that Obama does because he does nothing right. If I could ever find something he's done right I would mention it and I have done so though those things are miniscule when compared to the few things I have mentioned here.

By the way. This is an opinion piece written by Judge Andrew Napolitano. He says, at the end of the piece, that Obama should be impeached for his transgressions. I stopped short of that because I haven't yet come to that conclusion.
 
Well, Jen the Judge is correct. When you look back on all that has happened and the long list of transgressions, of numerous laws broken, and other laws not enforced. When you consider the lies and cover ups, the stonewalling and manipulation of crucial evidence, when you consider the scandals and corruption. Then yes, the Judge is absolutely correct, Obummer should be impeached as well as prosecuted for his crimes. But he never will be because he is black and no one dare impeach our first black president that is just not going to happen, it is not politically correct. However, if this Ebola pandemic spreads and Obummer grants across the board amnesty to millions of illegals and he frees the terrorists at Gitmo like he has planned after the elections and if the GOP takes the Senate then you may see impeachment proceedings very soon. Those proceedings will be successful and then we will have the clown show with Big Joe.
 
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BobbyT

Governor
Thanks for showing your partisanship, bd.

And to Bobby. Yes. I find fault with everything that Obama does because he does nothing right. If I could ever find something he's done right I would mention it and I have done so though those things are miniscule when compared to the few things I have mentioned here.

By the way. This is an opinion piece written by Judge Andrew Napolitano. He says, at the end of the piece, that Obama should be impeached for his transgressions. I stopped short of that because I haven't yet come to that conclusion.
You have found something Obama has done right? Really? And mentioned it? LOL!! What would those be that you've mention, do tell.

You knee-jerk react to everything Obama does. If he does it, it's wrong. If he doesn't, he should have.

If there was something truly impeachable that Obama has done, you can bet your butt he'd already be up on impeachment charges. There isn't , as much as you and your ilk wish it were so.
 

BobbyT

Governor
Well, Jen the Judge is correct. When you look back on all that has happened and the long list of transgressions, of numerous laws broken, and other laws not enforced. When you consider the lies and cover ups, the stonewalling and manipulation of crucial evidence, when you consider the scandals and corruption. Then yes, the Judge is absolutely correct, Obummer should be impeached as well as prosecuted for his crimes. But he never will be because he is black and no one dare impeach our first black president that is just not going to happen, it is not politically correct. However, if this Ebola pandemic spreads and Obummer grants across the board amnesty to millions of illegals and he frees the terrorists at Gitmo like he has planned after the elections and if the GOP takes the Senate then you may see impeachment proceedings very soon. Those proceedings will be successful and then we will have the clown show with Big Joe.
Really? Obama can't be impeached because he's black? Interesting piece of cowardice you choose to hide behind. If there were something he'd done that was impeachable, you need to talk to your representatives if they're too chicken shit to do their jobs, LOL.
 
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Really? Obama can't be impeached because he's black? Interesting piece of cowardice you choose to hide behind. If there were something he'd done that was impeachable, you need to talk to your representatives if they're too chicken shit to do their jobs, LOL.

Fact is Obama has done many things that are impeachable. He has broken many laws, he has lied, he is directly involved in numerous scandals and cover ups, for example he changed the health care law no less than 32 times without even obtaining congressional approval, this is against the law. He has refused to enforce our immigration laws, and he refuses to secure our southern borders. He traded five of the worst terrorists in the world for one known deserter without congressional approval, this is against the law. His Justice Department refuses to prosecute those involved in scandals, like Lois Lerner as well as Eric Holder, this is obstruction of justice and is against the law. It isn't that they are to chicken shit as you put it, it is that they know they do not have the votes in the Democratically controlled Senate to be successful at impeachment proceedings, this however is likely to change after the upcoming elections, then the vote count will shift dramatically and Obama will most likely be impeached and possibly prosecuted for his crimes. It is not about cowardice it is about reality, something those who are far left wing secular progressive socialists like yourself just cannot comprehend because you are obsessed with this community organizer who by every account has done a hell of a lot of damage to our nation, plus he is a known liar and can no longer be trusted nor believed. I am certain that if the votes were there to impeach, Obama would be toast. But communists and socialists like Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi protect this fraud by corralling democrats in both the House and Senate to protect a failed president and incompetent leader, by putting pressure on these members and threatening them with lack of financial support when they are up for re election. This is how it works.
 

BobbyT

Governor
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Fact is Obama has done many things that are impeachable. He has broken many laws, he has lied, he is directly involved in numerous scandals and cover ups, for example he changed the health care law no less than 32 times without even obtaining congressional approval, this is against the law. He has refused to enforce our immigration laws, and he refuses to secure our southern borders. He traded five of the worst terrorists in the world for one known deserter without congressional approval, this is against the law. His Justice Department refuses to prosecute those involved in scandals, like Lois Lerner as well as Eric Holder, this is obstruction of justice and is against the law. It isn't that they are to chicken shit as you put it, it is that they know they do not have the votes in the Democratically controlled Senate to be successful at impeachment proceedings, this however is likely to change after the upcoming elections, then the vote count will shift dramatically and Obama will most likely be impeached and possibly prosecuted for his crimes. It is not about cowardice it is about reality, something those who are far left wing secular progressive socialists like yourself just cannot comprehend because you are obsessed with this community organizer who by every account has done a hell of a lot of damage to our nation, plus he is a known liar and can no longer be trusted nor believed. I am certain that if the votes were there to impeach, Obama would be toast. But communists and socialists like Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi protect this fraud by corralling democrats in both the House and Senate to protect a failed president and incompetent leader, by putting pressure on these members and threatening them with lack of financial support when they are up for re election. This is how it works.
Poor sad republicans, their hands are tied because....wait why? You're funny. I'm not obsessed with Obama, but he sure has you wrapped around the axle, lol.
 

Carlsen

MQ-1 warrior drone
Is President Obama incompetent or just plain lawless?
Which is it with this president?
Is it possible to even know?

The president has discretion to adapt law enforcement to the needs of the times and to his reading of the wishes of the American people. Yet that discretion has a serious and mandatory guiding light -- namely, that the president will do so faithfully.[....]

The Framers [of our nation] could not have intended a president so devoid of fidelity to the rule of law that it is nearly impossible to distinguish between incompetence and lawlessness -- and I am not sure which is worse. Archbishop Fulton Sheen often said he’d prefer to deal with a smart devil than a stupid one.

Let's itemize some of the issues President Obama has dealt with:

Item: He has permitted illegal immigrants to remain here and continue to break the law, and he has instructed them on how to get away with it. His encouragement has resulted in the flood of tens of thousands of foreign unaccompanied children being pushed across our borders. The results are impacting communities, states and the children who are here with no family support.

Item: His agents fomented a revolution in Libya that resulted in the murder of that country’s leader, the killing of the U.S. ambassador and the evacuation of the U.S. embassy. But of course, as his Secretary of State so blithely informed us "what difference does it make?"

Item: He has dispatched CIA agents to fight undeclared and secret wars in Yemen and in Pakistan, and he has dispatched unmanned drones to kill innocents there. He has boasted that some secret reading of public positive law permits him to kill whomever he wishes, even Americans and their children. He feels powerful.

Item: His Department of Veterans Affairs has so neglected patients in government hospitals that many of them died, and it even destroyed records to hide its misdeeds. His Internal Revenue Service has enforced the law more heavily against his political opponents than against his friends, and it has destroyed government computer records in order to hide its misdeeds.

Item: He has relieved his friends of the burdens of timely compliance with Obamacare, and he has burdened his enemies with tortured interpretations of that law -- even interpretations that were rejected by the very Congress that enacted the law and interpretations that were invalidated by the Supreme Court.

At this point, it doesn't really matter whether President Obama is incompetent or lawless.
He is ruining all of us and our country. The question is whether or not we can survive 2 more years under him.
President Obama he is not good leader. He can not lead his own Democrat party. This is not good for American people because nothing is done by Congress for them

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Jen

Senator
President Obama he is not good leader. He can not lead his own Democrat party. This is not good for American people because nothing is done by Congress for them

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That's it precisely, Carlsen.
Obama isn't a leader. He cannot lead.
 

JuliefromOhio

President
Supporting Member
President Obama he is not good leader. He can not lead his own Democrat party. This is not good for American people because nothing is done by Congress for them

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English is obviously not your native language. what did you grow up speaking?
 
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