Sweet sweet Revenge...

RickWA said:

I generally agree. There's no nice way to put this, so I'm going to state it outright. Most folks who have run ins with law enforcement are losers. Not all, certainly - but most.
Like children, most who run afoul of the law look to externalize blame. They reflexively assume "bad cop" for two reasons. First, it helps them excuse themselves. And secondly - especially in the case of a few of this board's hippie burnouts - they languish in an addled state of idiotic adolescence...smoking weed as senior citizens, blaming "the man" for everything, and slowly disintegrating into bitter little husks.

It's very predictable where these folks will come down on any issue. They are walking, breathing stereotypes. The best part is that they think they are brilliant and worldly.

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I wrote about it on this forum before but when I was a teenager I witnessed an act of police brutality first hand, and it certainly colored my impression of law enforcement since then. Of course, the law enforcement officers I ended up knowing as friends or relatives as I grew up didn't change that impression all that much. There is a certain machismo when one wants to be a cop. You want to put on a gun, order people around, etc... sure, maybe you really want to ultimately be a detective and the beat cop step is mandatory on your way up the ladder.. but for those who spend a career as a beat cop... I am pretty sure they are egomanic control freaks who enjoy throwing their weight around.

In short, I don't believe they are either there to help or to serve.

But, of my acquaintances who have had multiple interactions with the police, I can say the one thing that does unite them is their ne'er do well, looserdom as you said. They are the type to get into a drunken argument with their SO - LOSER!. They are the type who uses recreational drugs - LOSER. They are the type who doesn't pay their bills - LOSER, they are the type who has multiple children with multiple partners - LOSER.

Avoiding negative interactions with the police, is much like the "secret" to success in life in general...... obtain steady employment, keep your pants up, stay off drugs, avoid excessive alcohol consumption - and beware the company you keep.

I will say the last lesson, is what I learned watching the incident of police brutality. Here we were, a bunch of teens, with nothing to do, cruising a parking lot - which was "loitering" so we were breaking the law... and essentially waiting for some kind of trouble to happen because we had nothing better do to. And, after the incident I realized how easily that could have been me and my friends and if we wanted to avoid that kind of trouble, I had to avoid the kind of people who had nothing better to do with their time than hang out in some empty parking lot.

connie

Lukey said:

No one I sided with was demanding "vengeance" against Wilson. We were suggesting that the examination of his behavior was insufficient, is all.

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I understand.

I have no problem with anyone suggesting that the examination of his behavior was insufficient, these things should be looked at carefully.

MY issue is that when these matters are looked into, if the results are not to the likings of some these matters become national news. Whatever the investigations results there will always be some who will question them.

Fine. But this disagreeing with the results cannot be used to try justify other injustices by those "some", who are not happy with the outcome.

We have a system, it is not a perfect one but it is what we have, it was used, just as it has for decades if not centuries. Protest the outcome, work to change the system, all understandable, but "feeling" an injustice has occurred will NEVER explain, defend or justify another injustice, ESPECIALLY when perpetrated against people who had nothing to do with the first injustice. Sorry, it just will not.

In MY opinion I mean.

connieb said:

I wrote about it on this forum before but when I was a teenager I witnessed an act of police brutality first hand, and it certainly colored my impression of law enforcement since then. Of course, the law enforcement officers I ended up knowing as friends or relatives as I grew up didn't change that impression all that much. There is a certain machismo when one wants to be a cop. You want to put on a gun, order people around, etc... sure, maybe you really want to ultimately be a detective and the beat cop step is mandatory on your way up the ladder.. but for those who spend a career as a beat cop... I am pretty sure they are egomanic control freaks who enjoy throwing their weight around.

In short, I don't believe they are either there to help or to serve.

But, of my acquaintances who have had multiple interactions with the police, I can say the one thing that does unite them is their ne'er do well, looserdom as you said. They are the type to get into a drunken argument with their SO - LOSER!. They are the type who uses recreational drugs - LOSER. They are the type who doesn't pay their bills - LOSER, they are the type who has multiple children with multiple partners - LOSER.

Avoiding negative interactions with the police, is much like the "secret" to success in life in general...... obtain steady employment, keep your pants up, stay off drugs, avoid excessive alcohol consumption - and beware the company you keep.

I will say the last lesson, is what I learned watching the incident of police brutality. Here we were, a bunch of teens, with nothing to do, cruising a parking lot - which was "loitering" so we were breaking the law... and essentially waiting for some kind of trouble to happen because we had nothing better do to. And, after the incident I realized how easily that could have been me and my friends and if we wanted to avoid that kind of trouble, I had to avoid the kind of people who had nothing better to do with their time than hang out in some empty parking lot.

connie

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The types of losers you described are also known as jailbirds. In or out doesn't make that much difference to them. Some have a better life on the inside.

EliteMind said:

You're quite ignorant. Let the Police constantly and systematically kill your white men and women and see how "obsessed" you become.

KYS.

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so what's you take on blacks killing blacks.........yeah, no biggy right?

Dawg said:

so what's you take on blacks killing blacks.........yeah, no biggy right?

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Is one of them a cop?

Or is that not enough of a stretch for your supposed "point".

zzigzzag said:

Is one of them a cop?

Or is that not enough of a stretch for your supposed "point".

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usually not cops
usually gang bangers
inner city slaughter streets
yet all blacks want to talk about are black death by cop
which by the way is so low in death of blacks stats, it's stupidly to compare

Dawg said:

usually not cops
usually gang bangers
inner city slaughter streets
yet all blacks want to talk about are black death by cop
which by the way is so low in death of blacks stats, it's stupidly to compare

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So your complaint is that people don't march in the streets every time gang bangers kill each other? Or that it doesn't make the national news unless a cop is involved?

It isn't "all blacks". Adjust your stereotype. They're not all "stuck in the 60's" like Sharpton and the "hands up" crowd.

zzigzzag said:

The types of losers you described are also known as jailbirds. In or out doesn't make that much difference to them. Some have a better life on the inside.

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There are plenty of that type who haven't spent any appreciable amount of time behind bars. None of the people in my own life who seem to have continual brushes with the law have. But, you are correct in that their own inadequacies certainly constrains them when they are on the "outside'.

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I understand.

I have no problem with anyone suggesting that the examination of his behavior was insufficient, these things should be looked at carefully.

MY issue is that when these matters are looked into, if the results are not to the likings of some these matters become national news. Whatever the investigations results there will always be some who will question them.

Fine. But this disagreeing with the results cannot be used to try justify other injustices by those "some", who are not happy with the outcome.

We have a system, it is not a perfect one but it is what we have, it was used, just as it has for decades if not centuries. Protest the outcome, work to change the system, all understandable, but "feeling" an injustice has occurred will NEVER explain, defend or justify another injustice, ESPECIALLY when perpetrated against people who had nothing to do with the first injustice. Sorry, it just will not.

In MY opinion I mean.

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Which is why I advocate for changing the system that puts the cops' colleagues in charge of investigating these matters involving potential abuse by police. And, to the extent these incidents provide a strong enough sense of grievance in some people that they react this badly, perhaps you can hold your nose and join me so we can remove those motivations.

zzigzzag said:

Every once in a while, we totally agree. I take no exception to anything you wrote and will take your word for the Glenn Beck angle. Hadn't heard anything about it.

Yeah....I've used the Palin/crosshairs thing before. I don't really feel compelled to be any more fair with her than she is with others. I'd like to lock her and Pelosi in a phone booth with a bottle of liquor.

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It's not really about whether or not people were being fair with Palin though. Palin was the go to name in the moment, but the argument spread to conservatism and gun rights advocates in general.

I give you credit for choosing a phone booth instead of a kiddy pool full of mud!

gigi said:

It's not really about whether or not people were being fair with Palin though. Palin was the go to name in the moment, but the argument spread to conservatism and gun rights advocates in general.

I give you credit for choosing a phone booth instead of a kiddy pool full of mud!

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Eeeeeeewwwwwww!!!!!!

Why ruin a perfectly good kiddy pool full of mud?

Lukey said:

Which is why I advocate for changing the system that puts the cops' colleagues in charge of investigating these matters involving potential abuse by police. And, to the extent these incidents provide a strong enough sense of grievance in some people that they react this badly, perhaps you can hold your nose and join me so we can remove those motivations.

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I would advocate such a change with you. I KNOW the system is not perfect and can therefore be improved upon. I also understand that in spite of anything anyone can get changed the sad fact remains that if an investigation doesn't return the results desired by those who "feel" an injustice has occurred, results similar to these recent ones will continue.

The truth of the matter that no one wishes to discuss is that there is a sub-set of US society today who are convinced any and everything that they desire and do not possess is due to the evils of other people and this sub-set of society simply will never accept anything involving any matter other than that which they want.

And there is no way for you or I to change that belief. It has taken decades, life times even, to get into place but after generations a life long "victimhood" di m/li bby voter base that feels entitled to whatever "justice" they "feel" is deserved is here now and it will not go away quickly or easily.

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I would advocate such a change with you. I KNOW the system is not perfect and can therefore be improved upon. I also understand that in spite of anything anyone can get changed the sad fact remains that if an investigation doesn't return the results desired by those who "feel" an injustice has occurred, results similar to these recent ones will continue.

The truth of the matter that no one wishes to discuss is that there is a sub-set of US society today who are convinced any and everything that they desire and do not possess is due to the evils of other people and this sub-set of society simply will never accept anything involving any matter other than that which they want.

And there is no way for you or I to change that belief. It has taken decades, life times even, to get into place but after generations a life long "victimhood" di m/li bby voter base that feels entitled to whatever "justice" they "feel" is deserved is here now and it will not go away quickly or easily.

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But then you should agree with me that doing everything we can to isolate them from those with legitimate criticisms would be one of the best things we could do in this area.

Lukey said:

But then you should agree with me that doing everything we can to isolate them from those with legitimate criticisms would be one of the best things we could do in this area.

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I do agree with you on that, yes.

As we should also agree that until such a time as this is changed we should hold our nose and accept the results of the investigations as they are legally conducted at this time.

White Guilt mixed with denial of facts = Skitzomania in the White world of thought.

EliteMind said:

White Guilt mixed with denial of facts = Skitzomania in the White world of thought.

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Just curious....which side are you out to humiliate with your stupid, racist babbling posing as political comment?

Eh....I'll just go ahead and designate you as another spokesperson for the right. It fits.