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War In The South Atlantic

Flanders

Council Member
It is okay for every president to [Unwelcome language removed] the numbers on occasion. It is even acceptable for presidents to moralize from the Bully Pulpit when they tell Americans what kind of a country they should want so long as nobody pays attention. Even so, presidents must stop short of telling friends what kind of a country they want. With a friend like Taqiyya the Liar the Brits need some new friends:

Tensions have increased now Argentina is negotiating to lease 12 Russian Sukhoi Su-24 supersonic, all-weather attack aircraft from Russia with which it could patrol over Port Stanley again.

Falklands on HIGH ALERT: Hundreds of British troops sent to Islands to boost security
THREE hundred extra troops are to be sent to the Falklands as the islands reach their highest state of alert in almost 20 years.
Published: 10:01, Sun, February 1, 2015 By Marco Giannangeli

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/555469/Hundreds-of-British-troops-are-sent-to-the-Falklands-for-a-security-boost

Telling the Brits how to behave is a not a new military tactic for America’s self-appointed spiritual leader. Remember when his then-Secretary of State Clinton stuck her nose in the UK’s business on behalf of Argentina when she offered to mediate talks between the UK and Argentina. Nobody in their mind thought she knew anything about the Falkland Islands, or about what Brits thought about defense of its sovereign territory.




Argentina was celebrated a diplomatic coup yesterday in its attempt to force Britain to accept talks on the future of the Falkland Islands, after a two-hour meeting in Buenos Aires between Hillary Clinton and President Cristina Fernández de Kirchner.

Responding to a request from Mrs Kirchner for “friendly mediation” between Britain and Argentina, Mrs Clinton, the US Secretary of State, said she agreed that talks were a sensible way forward and offered “to encourage both countries to sit down”.

Her intervention defied Britain’s longstanding position that there should be no negotiations unless the islands’ 3,000 inhabitants asked for them. It was hailed in Buenos Aires as a major diplomatic victory, but condemned in the Falklands.

In the Falklands, reaction to the meeting ranged from dismay to fury. “It’s outrageous after all the support we have given the United States,” said Hattie Kilmartin, a sheepfarmer’s wife. “They are not looking at the people who are actually living here and what they want, and it’s crazy that they are even contemplating going against us.” (Times On Line)

Wednesday, March 3, 2010
Obama HATES the British

http://symbolic-mirage.blogspot.com/2010/03/obama-hates-british.html

To be fair —— the Chicago sewer rat believes:


but not in the South Atlantic.

The Falkland Islands belong to the British. The inhabitants want to remain British. An attempt to intimidate the UK by throwing in with Argentina is no different than a foreigner forcing you to talk about who owns your home. When all is said and done it is a private property issue.

And did Clinton forget that the UK won the Falkland Islands war with a modicum of military assistance from President Reagan? Or that the Falklands have been British territory since 1833?

Using Clinton’s logic, the UK has every Right to reopen negotiations based on its former American colonies irrespective of what the American people want. You’ll get a good idea of what Argentina was pulling by demanding that the British come to the negotiating table to talk about overturning the result of America’s War for Independence!

From what I recall about Clinton’s well-known busybodyitis, the ugly hand of the United Nations was lurking in the shadows. Be sure of one thing, Taqiyya the Liar, and Clinton, were acting on orders from the UN. As far as the UN is concerned, Great Britain’s capitulation would diminish its national sovereignty. The elimination of territorial sovereignty is always the primary goal for the global government crowd.

Incidentally, it’s a pity the Iron Lady is not Great Britain’s prime minister today. Margaret Thatcher was going to nuke Argentina in order to defend the Falkland Islands at any cost. She told France’s then-President Francois Mitterrand that she would nuke Argentina if he did not hand over the codes to France’s Exocet missiles. Argentina had French-made Exocets in its arsenal. An Exocet missile sank the HMS Sheffield before Mitterrand finally handed over the codes.

Finally, in the same vain:


Intercepted Russian bomber was carrying a nuclear missile over the Channel
A RUSSIAN bomber intercepted over the Channel last week was carrying a nuclear missile designed to destroy Trident submarines, it emerged last night.
Published: 00:01, Sun, February 1, 2015 By Marco Giannangeli

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/555454/Intercepted-Russian-bomber-was-carrying-a-nuclear-missile-over-the-Channel

The record shows that Taqiyya the Liar sees nothing wrong with Russia’s aggression against a friend any more than he objects to Islam’s aggression against Israel —— most notably the Palestinians and Iran’s nuclear weapons program.

Taqiyya the Liar’s biggest betrayal is NOT coordinating the war against Islamic fundamentalists. His strange military strategy can only end in another Peace Without Victory war. Taqiyya the Muslim will not even admit there is a war let alone coordinate efforts with allies in order to defeat the enemy. Instead of total victory over all of Islam’s aggression, the Administration is bouncing back and forth between traitor John Kerry’s original determination to remove Bashar al-Assad —— the one guy who will kill ISIS fighters in the interest of self-preservation for everybody concerned —— and now making a deal with Assad to appease Iran.
 
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Flanders

Council Member
The Monroe Doctrine was designed to prevent European aggression. I guess Taqiyya the Liar does not count it when it means Communist China:

Argentina to ship in naval warship from China – named after Falklands as UK tensions rise
THE ARGENTINE navy is to be handed a powerful boost from China in the form of a new class of warships - named after the Falkland Islands, according to reports.
By Levi Winchester
Published: 14:42, Wed, February 4, 2015

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/556107/Argentina-boosted-new-naval-warships-China
 

EatTheRich

President
Obama/Clinton's self-interested maneuvering aside, Argentina has every right to reclaim the Malvinas (Falklands) for itself.
 

fairsheet

Senator
Obama/Clinton's self-interested maneuvering aside, Argentina has every right to reclaim the Malvinas (Falklands) for itself.

With "rights", come responsibilities. Even if Argentina has the "right" to reclaim the Malvinas, what would be their point in doing so?
 

EatTheRich

President
With "rights", come responsibilities. Even if Argentina has the "right" to reclaim the Malvinas, what would be their point in doing so?
Well, they might have oil. They definitely are in rich fishing waters. They are a rare military base in the South Atlantic, and demonstrated strategic value for the British in both world wars.

Obviously, Argentina's last attempt to invade (where the real major motive was to win acclaim for an unpopular dictatorship) was a disaster, and although circumstances (weaker British military, friendlier American attitude, Chinese support) appear more favorable now, it's absolutely true that not all wars on behalf of just causes are also prudent undertakings. But if it does come down to war, be assured I'll be cheering Argentina on.
 

fairsheet

Senator
Well, they might have oil. They definitely are in rich fishing waters. They are a rare military base in the South Atlantic, and demonstrated strategic value for the British in both world wars.

Obviously, Argentina's last attempt to invade (where the real major motive was to win acclaim for an unpopular dictatorship) was a disaster, and although circumstances (weaker British military, friendlier American attitude, Chinese support) appear more favorable now, it's absolutely true that not all wars on behalf of just causes are also prudent undertakings. But if it does come down to war, be assured I'll be cheering Argentina on.
I think the evidence is pretty overwhelming that the people of the Falklands would prefer remaining a part of the UK. With all the other silly bullshit going on around the world these days, I hope the Argentinians can just leave it at that.
 

EatTheRich

President
I think the evidence is pretty overwhelming that the people of the Falklands would prefer remaining a part of the UK. With all the other silly bullshit going on around the world these days, I hope the Argentinians can just leave it at that.
The people living there are British colonists. Their presence there is made possible by the Empire's control. What it comes down to for me is a dispute between an imperialist power and a semicolonial power.
 

fairsheet

Senator
The people living there are British colonists. Their presence there is made possible by the Empire's control. What it comes down to for me is a dispute between an imperialist power and a semicolonial power.
I don't buy into the rhetoric of some, that the UK is currently an imperialistic power. But, it sure was back when The Falklands entered their sphere. My view is that for the sake of all, it's best that the world puts this kind of "righteousness" behind it. The world's buzzphrase, from The Falklands, to Nigeria, to Syria, Burma and beyond, should be, "What have you done for me lately?"
 
Obama/Clinton's self-interested maneuvering aside, Argentina has every right to reclaim the Malvinas (Falklands) for itself.
Reclaim? They have never ever ever inhabited them, never, so how can they reclaim something they never had ------------ US indigenous peoples on the other hand did inhabit the Land you now inhabit, they do have a legit right to reclaim it all.

The mistake of the Falklands was not over whether or not we should have fought for them -- it was that RS patrols, in those waters, were dispensed with by the then very unpopular Thatcher -------- Who btw would have lost the next and coming election if it had not been for the War.
 
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I don't buy into the rhetoric of some, that the UK is currently an imperialistic power. But, it sure was back when The Falklands entered their sphere. My view is that for the sake of all, it's best that the world puts this kind of "righteousness" behind it. The world's buzzphrase, from The Falklands, to Nigeria, to Syria, Burma and beyond, should be, "What have you done for me lately?"
Unlike most Lands which made up our Empire, the FalkLands were uninhabited (at least it is highly unlikely that they were ever inhabited, only visited, by any ancient peoples) when the French first stepped onto them ----------- One could argue that they are a left over of Empire only in that Three large Empires of the past, had possession of them at different times. But we are talking about France, Spain and Britain not those indigenous to Argentina.

The Falkanders have been there now for 300 years, they alone have farmed there.
 
Well, they might have oil. They definitely are in rich fishing waters. They are a rare military base in the South Atlantic, and demonstrated strategic value for the British in both world wars.

Obviously, Argentina's last attempt to invade (where the real major motive was to win acclaim for an unpopular dictatorship) was a disaster, and although circumstances (weaker British military, friendlier American attitude, Chinese support) appear more favorable now, it's absolutely true that not all wars on behalf of just causes are also prudent undertakings. But if it does come down to war, be assured I'll be cheering Argentina on.
Thanks -------------------- So much for Allies. You cheered them on last time too -------- a thing the British Govs seem to have forgotten, people haven't though.
 

EatTheRich

President
Thanks -------------------- So much for Allies. You cheered them on last time too -------- a thing the British Govs seem to have forgotten, people haven't though.
I don't recall ever claiming to be the British Empire's ally. If you're talking about the U.S., though, the U.S. provided crucial support to the British during the war.
 
I don't recall ever claiming to be the British Empire's ally. If you're talking about the U.S., though, the U.S. provided crucial support to the British during the war.
The Falkands are not the British Empire and, crucial bull shit, the US sided along with the French, with Argentina's Generals. You wouldn't allow British Ships to dock in US territory during the Falklands War.

Once they started fighting the US begrudgingly provided some assistance to Britain but it was grudging and those who were fighting knew you were rooting for the other side.
 

EatTheRich

President
The Falkands are not the British Empire and, crucial bull shit, the US sided along with the French, with Argentina's Generals. You wouldn't allow British Ships to dock in US territory during the Falklands War.

Once they started fighting the US begrudgingly provided some assistance to Britain but it was grudging and those who were fighting knew you were rooting for the other side.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falklands_War#Position_of_third_party_countries

The US provided the United Kingdom with military equipment ranging from submarine detectors to the latest missiles.[31][32][33][34] President Ronald Reagan approved the Royal Navy's request to borrow the Sea Harrier-capable amphibious assault ship USS Iwo Jima (LPH-2) if the British lost an aircraft carrier. The United States Navy developed a plan to help the British man the ship with American military contractors, likely retired sailors with knowledge of the Iwo Jima 's systems.
 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falklands_War#Position_of_third_party_countries

The US provided the United Kingdom with military equipment ranging from submarine detectors to the latest missiles.[31][32][33][34] President Ronald Reagan approved the Royal Navy's request to borrow the Sea Harrier-capable amphibious assault ship USS Iwo Jima (LPH-2) if the British lost an aircraft carrier. The United States Navy developed a plan to help the British man the ship with American military contractors, likely retired sailors with knowledge of the Iwo Jima 's systems.
On paper it looks good to you eh? Bollocks, what else were you going to do once fighting began? You did because and only because you had no choice, but what you were doing behind our backs? ------------- There is nothing you can say, go and tell those who fought the War and those of us who remember. I was against the War, as you can imagine, but Americas betrayal of us was unforgivable and not forgotten
 
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