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Howard Dean: Jesus was to the left of Democratic Party

justoffal

Senator
Want to see "Christian" wingers flee from a thread?

Post every Bible verse you can find quoting Jesus on how Christians should treat the poor and challenge them to reconcile it with their political "beliefs".

'The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he has anointed me to bring good news to the poor."

Then the king will say to those at his right hand, "Come, you that are blessed by my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world; for I was hungry and you gave me food, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you welcomed me, I was naked and you gave me clothing, I was sick and you took care of me, I was in prison and you visited me."


(I have a feeling wingers will get the left hand.)

Jesus, looking at him, loved him and said, "You lack one thing; go, sell what you own, and give the money to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; then come, follow me." When he heard this, he was shocked and went away grieving, for he had many possessions.

Soooooo....how many true believers are we actually dealing with here in winger Christiandom? How many behave as if this life is a millisecond in eternity? How many live as if it's a test where they've been provided all of the answers by Jesus?

Don't worry, wingers. It's not really hot in the lowest level of hell. Dante portrays the hypocrite's fate as having only their heads protruding from ice. Homer kicked one on the way by while he was giving him the tour.
I don't think you want to trade Bible verses with me....but proceed at your own risk

2Thess:3:10 For while we were yet with you, we gave you this rule {and} charge: If anyone will not work, neither let him eat
 
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zzigzzag

Guest
I don't think you want to trade Bible verses with me....but proceed at your own risk

2Thess:3:10 For while we were yet with you, we gave you this rule {and} charge: If anyone will not work, neither let him eat
Did Jesus say that? No?

Then you made no point.
 
How do you know? You know they have to pay for other things too, right? Rent, alimony, court costs, insurance, legal fines, diapers, taxes, mansions for CEOs, etc.?
That's life. In a free country we don't steal one man's money and hand it out to another man.

No work no eat. Unless you are truly disabled.
 

JackDallas

Senator
Supporting Member
justoffal said:
I don't think you want to trade Bible verses with me....but proceed at your own risk

2Thess:3:10 For while we were yet with you, we gave you this rule {and} charge: If anyone will not work, neither let him eat


Did Jesus say that? No?

Then you made no point.
The Apostle Paul said that; and it's a valid concept. If someone is disabled and cannot work then he is not expected to work. But if a man can work but will not because he can make more money voting Democrat then he is a sorry human being, tho not as sorry as the folks who made it possible for him to live at the expense of others.
 
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zzigzzag

Guest
Nope, he said 47% of the people don't pay income taxes and they don't vote based on that issue.
Bullshit. He said they wouldn't vote for him so they didn't matter.
 
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zzigzzag

Guest
justoffal said:
I don't think you want to trade Bible verses with me....but proceed at your own risk

2Thess:3:10 For while we were yet with you, we gave you this rule {and} charge: If anyone will not work, neither let him eat



The Apostle Paul said that; and it's a valid concept. If someone is disabled and cannot work then he is not expected to work. But if a man can work but will not because he can make more money voting Democrat then he is a sorry human being, tho not as sorry as the folks who made it possible for him to live at the expense of others.
So let's abandon the topic of what Jesus said and how he lived and mine the Bible for convenient phrases by whoever.

Jesus didn't just say shit like a winger does. He lived it. The New Testament tells his story.

What did Paul do for a living? Carpenter's helper? Did he stop and eat at restaurants while Jesus was bumming around? Did he tip properly?

Like all winger "sources", you don't care. The effort here is to discredit Jesus for not being a Republican and y'all are doing your Obama routine on him.

Believe it or not, I didn't post Jesus' words to turn you against him or make you mad at him. I was counting on your faith to be a little deeper. I now know that you will not weigh your own rhetoric against your "faith". That was the task at hand. I guess you and JO don't eat today. You're letting Jesus do all the heavy lifting for you and refusing to help him out.

It takes courage (among other things) to be a good Christian. Saying shit is not a qualifier.

Your religion is not called "Paulianity". It is not based on the example of Paul's life....let alone one phrase that he uttered. That's why none of you will counter with anything Jesus said. It's inconvenient to FOXianity. (Shortened from "FOXinsanity")
 
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Craig

Senator
Supporting Member
So let's abandon the topic of what Jesus said and how he lived and mine the Bible for convenient phrases by whoever.

Jesus didn't just say shit like a winger does. He lived it. The New Testament tells his story.

What did Paul do for a living? Carpenter's helper? Did he stop and eat at restaurants while Jesus was bumming around? Did he tip properly?

Like all winger "sources", you don't care. The effort here is to discredit Jesus for not being a Republican and y'all are doing your Obama routine on him.

Believe it or not, I didn't post Jesus' words to turn you against him or make you mad at him. I was counting on your faith to be a little deeper. I now know that you will not weigh your own rhetoric against your "faith". That was the task at hand. I guess you and JO don't eat today. You're letting Jesus do all the heavy lifting for you and refusing to help him out.

It takes courage (among other things) to be a good Christian. Saying shit is not a qualifier.

Your religion is not called "Paulianity". It is not based on the example of Paul's life....let alone one phrase that he uttered. That's why none of you will counter with anything Jesus said. It's inconvenient to FOXianity. (Shortened from "FOXinsanity")
By their fruit you will recognize them...

I see seriously bitter and rotten fruit. It comes from those who most loudly proclaim their belief, in every instance.

Verily...I sense that Paulists comprise a large segment of folks who claim Christianity. If Paul's words take priority over those of Jesus, it's an easy call to make.
 

Max R.

On the road
Supporting Member
Jesus was and is apolitical. Any of us is wrong when we seek to attribute His weight to our political views. History - Biblical history - is frought with people (even believers) seeking a political king rather than what God would have for us.

In fact, that may be one of the great lessons of both old and new testaments. We people always seek political captains. That lesson is in the Bible repeatedly. We don't need more worldly leaders. We certainly don't need to imbue our pols with holy mission.
We Christians should know better. Thankfully, God has our backs.
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Agreed. A good example of this is in Matthew 22:15-21
Paying the Imperial Tax to Caesar

15 Then the Pharisees went out and laid plans to trap him in his words. 16 They sent their disciples to him along with the Herodians. “Teacher,” they said, “we know that you are a man of integrity and that you teach the way of God in accordance with the truth. You aren’t swayed by others, because you pay no attention to who they are. 17 Tell us then, what is your opinion? Is it right to pay the imperial tax[a] to Caesar or not?”

18 But Jesus, knowing their evil intent, said, “You hypocrites, why are you trying to trap me? 19 Show me the coin used for paying the tax.” They brought him a denarius, 20 and he asked them, “Whose image is this? And whose inscription?”

21 “Caesar’s,” they replied.

Then he said to them, “So give back to Caesar what is Caesar’s, and to God what is God’s.”
 

Max R.

On the road
Supporting Member
So he just lets people go to Hell when he could save them?
It's a personal choice. It's why we have free agency; in order to choose.

Despite the spin or interpretations, God doesn't send anyone anywhere. It's their choice to live in God's grace or go away from it.
 
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zzigzzag

Guest
Agreed. A good example of this is in Matthew 22:15-21
Paying the Imperial Tax to Caesar

15 Then the Pharisees went out and laid plans to trap him in his words. 16 They sent their disciples to him along with the Herodians. “Teacher,” they said, “we know that you are a man of integrity and that you teach the way of God in accordance with the truth. You aren’t swayed by others, because you pay no attention to who they are. 17 Tell us then, what is your opinion? Is it right to pay the imperial tax[a] to Caesar or not?”

18 But Jesus, knowing their evil intent, said, “You hypocrites, why are you trying to trap me? 19 Show me the coin used for paying the tax.” They brought him a denarius, 20 and he asked them, “Whose image is this? And whose inscription?”

21 “Caesar’s,” they replied.

Then he said to them, “So give back to Caesar what is Caesar’s, and to God what is God’s.”
Uh oooohhh.....context.

That doesn't exactly fortify the winger meme of what Jesus intended with that phrase.

His intention was to play word games and say something completely ambiguous to get out of a trap.

Kinda kills the notion that he was gratuitously promoting the enrichment of Caesar. He was reluctantly tap dancing at an inquisition and that phrase was his best shot at saying nothing meaningful.

Thanks. I am now well armed for the next winger who uses it.
 
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Mr. Friscus

Governor
Actually, it would probably be closer to the truth to suggest that Jesus asked us to "tithe" 100%! That's why I'm suggesting that the dude's probably a bit to the left of ALL of us!
Since when is having no money "left", and being rich "right"?

I'm talking about logically and rationally, not based on modern liberal conventional wisdom.
 

Mr. Friscus

Governor
By their fruit you will recognize them...

I see seriously bitter and rotten fruit. It comes from those who most loudly proclaim their belief, in every instance.
I think you just don't seek what Christianity is about at all. If you only listen to extremist loudmouths who debate politics, of all areas, you're purposefully avoiding a true representation of the religion.


Verily...I sense that Paulists comprise a large segment of folks who claim Christianity. If Paul's words take priority over those of Jesus, it's an easy call to make.
I've said it thousand times and I'll say it again, if you look for religious truth in your political leaders, you're not seeking God.
 

Craig

Senator
Supporting Member
I think you just don't seek what Christianity is about at all. If you only listen to extremist loudmouths who debate politics, of all areas, you're purposefully avoiding a true representation of the religion.

I've said it thousand times and I'll say it again, if you look for religious truth in your political leaders, you're not seeking God.
I think you don't understand who or what I'm talking about.

I don't listen to the extremists only. Far from it. I simply stated the LOUDEST grow bitter fruit. That is my experience. I listen to a show called On Being. http://onbeing.org/ It discusses every aspect of religion, Christianity, Spirituality, Buddhism...and whatever subject the host and her guest are featuring that week. It is soft. It is enlightening. It is inclusive. It is not loud...and it is not bitter.

Nor am I looking for religious truth in politicians. That would be a fool's game. Politicians aren't religious figures; my preference would be they don't even mention it. There is no religious test for US office, but many seem to go on about it...and yes, that includes Obama. I'll cut him a sliver of slack however, as many cons still believe him to be Muslim.

With 30,000 plus Christian sects...and with all the other religious groups in the world, I seek my own relationship, understanding on whatever you wish to call it with God.
 
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