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Will Bernie Sanders give the GOP the White House?

If Bernie Sanders either wins the nomination or just divides the Democratic Party, he will give the GOP the White House. Even with the terrible candidates the GOP presently has, they will beat a Clinton wounded by being pushed so far to the left by Sanders or a lefty like Sanders himself. The GOP should be very, very happy with what is going on in the Democratic Party.
 

bdtex

Administrator
Staff member
If Bernie Sanders either wins the nomination or just divides the Democratic Party, he will give the GOP the White House. Even with the terrible candidates the GOP presently has, they will beat a Clinton wounded by being pushed so far to the left by Sanders or a lefty like Sanders himself. The GOP should be very, very happy with what is going on in the Democratic Party.
He's not gonna push her too far to the left to hurt her. She's leading by 40 points in the Dem race. When she sweeps the early primaries,Sanders and O'Malley will be out of the race and the GOPs will be just getting started. She can sit back and watch the GOPs trip over themselves trying to be the one to say the nastiest stuff about her. JEB probably screwed himself in IA and SC already too.
 

BobbyT

Governor
If Bernie Sanders either wins the nomination or just divides the Democratic Party, he will give the GOP the White House. Even with the terrible candidates the GOP presently has, they will beat a Clinton wounded by being pushed so far to the left by Sanders or a lefty like Sanders himself. The GOP should be very, very happy with what is going on in the Democratic Party.
Nah, I don't think so. I really like Sanders and I'm not a Hillary fan. But I'd vote for Hillary if she were the nom despite how much better I like Sanders. Any democrat is preferable to a republican considering there will likely be supreme court seats coming open.
 

BitterPill

The Shoe Cometh
Supporting Member
If Bernie Sanders either wins the nomination or just divides the Democratic Party, he will give the GOP the White House. Even with the terrible candidates the GOP presently has, they will beat a Clinton wounded by being pushed so far to the left by Sanders or a lefty like Sanders himself. The GOP should be very, very happy with what is going on in the Democratic Party.
I am willing to take the chance. The Republican Party is in such disarray that it is doing its part. I even heard one winger complaining a ham-sandwich could win the Republican nomination, and Sanders would eat a ham-sandwich.
 
If Bernie Sanders either wins the nomination or just divides the Democratic Party, he will give the GOP the White House. Even with the terrible candidates the GOP presently has, they will beat a Clinton wounded by being pushed so far to the left by Sanders or a lefty like Sanders himself. The GOP should be very, very happy with what is going on in the Democratic Party.
Bernie Sanders is as great a crack pot as Donald Trump. The tragedy is that the vast majority of Democrats (aka Socialists/Communists) don't even begin to grasp that.
 

Lukey

Senator
He's drawing big crowds and surging in the polls. That suggests to me that there's a lot of "anybody but Hillary" in his support because I just don't think there's that many outright socialists in the Democratic ranks, especially after how badly Obama's socialist policies have failed. Remember, it's the economy, stupid. And the economy (despite @Arkady daily diatribes about how wonderful things are) generally sucks and people feel that. It's going to be pretty easy for the Republican nominee to hang the bad economy around the neck of whoever the Democrats nominate. That means the Democrats should be looking for a more business friendly candidate, not a socialist, to pull them away from the precipice of Obamunism's bad economic results. Sanders doesn't fit that bill. It will be really interesting to see how the debates transpire and whether the other Democrats choose to bloody Hillary's nose with her association to a failed Obama Administration.

Of course the same dynamic is in play on the Republican side as the establishment candidates have to either defend Bush or throw him under the bus (where he belongs). Those debates should be interesting as well.

We simply cannot continue to rack up debt at a trillion $ a year rate with the economy stuck in a Euro-socialist style secular stagnation. With the EU breaking up over the debt bomb, we can see our future if we don't turn away from the kind of policies Bernie Sanders (and Hillary Clinton or Jeb Bush for that matter) would bring to the table. There's a lot riding on this election...
 
i dont believe bernie will be the nominee any more than trump will for the GOP.

bernie - if he actually believes he can win - is a moron. i assume that he's lying when he states that he's in the race to win, and not to force Hillary into more left-leaning positions during the primaries.

my prediction - Bernie does not win A SINGLE PRIMARY, despite the fact that school is out and a bunch of college kids without jobs, income, or responsibilities are flocking to his speeches.

Bernie is simply showing democrats how vulnerable Hillary is. Expect someone like Warren or Cuomo to enter the race shortly.
 

Arkady

President
He's drawing big crowds and surging in the polls. That suggests to me that there's a lot of "anybody but Hillary" in his support because I just don't think there's that many outright socialists in the Democratic ranks
I think there's a lot of dissatisfaction with the Obama-brand 0f Democratic policy -- shrinking government, keeping taxes very low, and catering to the corporations. After watching the underwhelming results of center-right politics, as embodied by Obama, a lot of people on the left are willing to think about trying something a little truer to the liberal economic vision.
 

Arkady

President
my prediction - Bernie does not win A SINGLE PRIMARY
I bet he wins Vermont. It's March 1, and presumably he'll still be in the race by then, since there are only two primaries and two caucuses before that. The man is very popular in Vermont. He also has a chance in Massachusetts and the Minnesota caucus. But, unfortunately for Sanders, the other states with high levels of education are much later, and by then he will probably have dropped out or it'll be clear he has no shot, so I can't see him competing in Connecticut, etc.

As I mentioned in my earlier post to you, his problem is that the nation, as a whole, just has too many under-educated people for a thinking-person's candidate to be competitive. His approach can do well somewhere like Vermont, with the lowest drop-out rates in the nation and abnormally high rates of people getting higher educations. But to win a nomination, you need to appeal to places with lots of drop-outs, like Texas, as well, and I can't see him doing that.
 
I bet he wins Vermont. It's March 1, and presumably he'll still be in the race by then, since there are only two primaries and two caucuses before that. The man is very popular in Vermont. He also has a chance in Massachusetts and the Minnesota caucus. But, unfortunately for Sanders, the other states with high levels of education are much later, and by then he will probably have dropped out or it'll be clear he has no shot, so I can't see him competing in Connecticut, etc.

As I mentioned in my earlier post to you, his problem is that the nation, as a whole, just has too many under-educated people for a thinking-person's candidate to be competitive. His approach can do well somewhere like Vermont, with the lowest drop-out rates in the nation and abnormally high rates of people getting higher educations. But to win a nomination, you need to appeal to places with lots of drop-outs, like Texas, as well, and I can't see him doing that.
i continue to be amazed that someone who's earned $180K a year for the past 25 years - and has run up $65,000 in credit card debt - can be described as "the thinking man's candidate"
 
It's going to be fun to watch the massive, corrupt Clinton machine shred Bernie Sanders, then whip the Democrats back into line. They're going to put down Sanders' campaign like a prison riot.
do you think they'll be able to come up with a photo of him in islamic attire, they way they did with Obama?
 
do you think they'll be able to come up with a photo of him in islamic attire, they way they did with Obama?
I doubt that, but Obama had something even the Clinton machine couldn't overcome. Given the number of Democrats who vote based on skin color, Sanders won't be half the threat Obama was to the Clinton camp. This is just going to be one old, rich white person taking down another old, rich white person.
 

Jets

Conservative Pragmatist
I agree. The Democraticm party would split the vote making it easier for the GOP candidate to win. Not guaranteed, but it is a benefit for the republican ticket.

IMHO
 
He's drawing big crowds and surging in the polls. That suggests to me that there's a lot of "anybody but Hillary" in his support because I just don't think there's that many outright socialists in the Democratic ranks, especially after how badly Obama's socialist policies have failed. Remember, it's the economy, stupid. And the economy (despite @Arkady daily diatribes about how wonderful things are) generally sucks and people feel that. It's going to be pretty easy for the Republican nominee to hang the bad economy around the neck of whoever the Democrats nominate. That means the Democrats should be looking for a more business friendly candidate, not a socialist, to pull them away from the precipice of Obamunism's bad economic results. Sanders doesn't fit that bill. It will be really interesting to see how the debates transpire and whether the other Democrats choose to bloody Hillary's nose with her association to a failed Obama Administration.

Of course the same dynamic is in play on the Republican side as the establishment candidates have to either defend Bush or throw him under the bus (where he belongs). Those debates should be interesting as well.

We simply cannot continue to rack up debt at a trillion $ a year rate with the economy stuck in a Euro-socialist style secular stagnation. With the EU breaking up over the debt bomb, we can see our future if we don't turn away from the kind of policies Bernie Sanders (and Hillary Clinton or Jeb Bush for that matter) would bring to the table. There's a lot riding on this election...
With 93M not in the labor force of course there are plenty of socialist with time on their hands to go see and feel the Bern.

http://cnsnews.com/news/article/ali-meyer/record-93626000-americans-not-labor-force-participation-rate-declines-626
 
I doubt that, but Obama had something even the Clinton machine couldn't overcome. Given the number of Democrats who vote based on skin color, Sanders won't be half the threat Obama was to the Clinton camp. This is just going to be one old, rich white person taking down another old, rich white person.
Clintons will come up with an anti-Jew angle of some sort.
 

JuliefromOhio

President
Supporting Member
If Bernie Sanders either wins the nomination or just divides the Democratic Party, he will give the GOP the White House. Even with the terrible candidates the GOP presently has, they will beat a Clinton wounded by being pushed so far to the left by Sanders or a lefty like Sanders himself. The GOP should be very, very happy with what is going on in the Democratic Party.
Bernie and Hillary agree on just about everything so he can't really push her more to the left than she already is. which is really what we call center left. remember, Hillary has always been more progressive than her husband with his DLC bullshit. I'm pretty sure Hillary will win the nomination.
bottom line - there's no way that Bernie or Warren want a damaged Dem nominee.
 
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