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Should a surgeon operate on intersex babies?

Samuel Sam

Council Member
M.C. was born with ambiguous genitalia, a rare condition that doctors addressed with surgery. Now, in a landmark lawsuit, M.C.’s parents are challenging the medical mainstream: Why does a surgeon decide what sex a child should be?
http://www.buzzfeed.com/azeenghorayshi/born-in-between#.vuD7B5gd7

I'm pretty sure that a surgeon has a right to decide a sex for a child. Cause the doctor is a scientist who rests on the biological facts about the physical qualities and the genes of a child. So he can choose better.
I'm sure that the humanity will realize soon that the transgenders must be healed, not accepted. Cause a human must have that gender which his biology tells him to have. It's not the society, it's mother nature to decide.

What do you think about that?
 

Max R.

On the road
Supporting Member
1. Despite having two X chromosomes, it appears the high prenatal male hormonal nature of MC's birth caused him to be "male". At least in his brain.

2. The doctors did the best they could. Operating on babies is sometimes easier, in the long run, than adolescents.

3. Needs more research.
 

Samuel Sam

Council Member
1. Despite having two X chromosomes, it appears the high prenatal male hormonal nature of MC's birth caused him to be "male". At least in his brain.

2. The doctors did the best they could. Operating on babies is sometimes easier, in the long run, than adolescents.

3. Needs more research.
Agree about more research and that it's easier to operate a baby than an adult person.
But as the doctors do their tests than can clearly see whether it's XXX or XXY regardless the genitalia. So there's no need to wait until the baby decides himself and will have to face a lot of troubles!
 

Max R.

On the road
Supporting Member
Agree about more research and that it's easier to operate a baby than an adult person.
But as the doctors do their tests than can clearly see whether it's XXX or XXY regardless the genitalia. So there's no need to wait until the baby decides himself and will have to face a lot of troubles!
My understanding is that "he" was XX, not XXY.
 
http://www.buzzfeed.com/azeenghorayshi/born-in-between#.vuD7B5gd7

I'm pretty sure that a surgeon has a right to decide a sex for a child. Cause the doctor is a scientist who rests on the biological facts about the physical qualities and the genes of a child. So he can choose better.
I'm sure that the humanity will realize soon that the transgenders must be healed, not accepted. Cause a human must have that gender which his biology tells him to have. It's not the society, it's mother nature to decide.

What do you think about that?
They do it all the time when circumcisions go wrong, turning boys whose tiny penis they have mangled or turned black and so must be amputated, into girls.
 
Agree about more research and that it's easier to operate a baby than an adult person.
But as the doctors do their tests than can clearly see whether it's XXX or XXY regardless the genitalia. So there's no need to wait until the baby decides himself and will have to face a lot of troubles!
No one has the moral right of invasion into a child's body unless it is life threatening. Their bodies are inherently theirs, no one else's. Parents are merely guardians not Gods --- as Doctors too certainly are not --- Doctors and or totally unqualified peoples are allowed to ignore all Laws pertaining to child abuse and cruelty especially when it comes to male sexuality it seems.

There should be no such invasions of their bodies in any form until they are of age.

See Brian Earp

https://oxford.academia.edu/BrianEarp
 
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connieb

Senator
http://www.buzzfeed.com/azeenghorayshi/born-in-between#.vuD7B5gd7

I'm pretty sure that a surgeon has a right to decide a sex for a child. Cause the doctor is a scientist who rests on the biological facts about the physical qualities and the genes of a child. So he can choose better.
I'm sure that the humanity will realize soon that the transgenders must be healed, not accepted. Cause a human must have that gender which his biology tells him to have. It's not the society, it's mother nature to decide.

What do you think about that?
I certainly don't think the surgeon has the right to "decide" what gender to make the child. On the other hand, they should certainly advise the parents of what would be the most beneficial ( in terms of the existing physiology) to make the genetalia. For instance, if you have a working penis and testicles , but not a uterus and no ovaries but have a vagina, it would make more sense to operate to change the baby to look fully male since the parts that actually make a woman a woman - uterus and ovaries arent' there anyway. But, certainly the surgeon should not decide that on thier own. If the parens are like do what is best and the surgeon does that using the existing physiology as best as they can... then that is acceptable too.

ETA - this assumes though that there is something non-functional or necessary surgery to make someting functional. I know a person whose child was born with both a penis and sort of a vagina but not a complete one and no uterus. But, there was no ureter in the penis, so the child could not urinate through his penis and was urinating through the urethra. In that case, they made the penis functional, and closed up the urethra and not fully formed vagina.

Short of a functionality issue, I think that the child should be left as is to decide for themselves at a later date.

connie
 

Samuel Sam

Council Member
They do it all the time when circumcisions go wrong, turning boys whose tiny penis they have mangled or turned black and so must be amputated, into girls.
It seems a total absurd. sorry! Do you believe there is a girl who used to be a boy whose circumcision went wrong? It sounds more like some FoxNews sensation. lol
Please don't be offended!
 
It seems a total absurd. sorry! Do you believe there is a girl who used to be a boy whose circumcision went wrong? It sounds more like some FoxNews sensation. lol
Please don't be offended!
http://www.intactamerica.org/

http://www.doctorsopposingcircumcision.org/

http://www.jewsagainstcircumcision.org/

This one is harrowing:-

http://www.senslip-europe.com/circumcision----disasters.html


ps never worry about offending me, I've been around here far to long for that to even be possible ;)
 
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Samuel Sam

Council Member
http://www.intactamerica.org/

http://www.doctorsopposingcircumcision.org/

http://www.jewsagainstcircumcision.org/

This one is harrowing:-

http://www.senslip-europe.com/circumcision----disasters.html


ps never worry about offending me, I've been around here far to long for that to even be possible ;)
Oh dear lord! Never thought that was possible! Why then no one is talking about that?
I believe people must know that they endanger their children!
Or am I the only one who doesn't know?
 
Oh dear lord! Never thought that was possible! Why then no one is talking about that?
I believe people must know that they endanger their children!
Or am I the only one who doesn't know?

It is big money :(


On the ethics

https://www.academia.edu/9603843/Do_the_benefits_of_male_circumcision_outweigh_the_risks_A_critique_of_the_proposed_CDC_guidelines


https://www.academia.edu/8817976/Female_genital_mutilation_FGM_and_male_circumcision_Should_there_be_a_separate_ethical_discourse

As a ps, it is usually performed without anesthetic and by unqualified people.
 
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Boltlady

Mayor
The 'operations' are only the beginning of what's happening around the world. Take 12 minutes and watch this video and you will want to run around telling people NOT to have any babies until society comes to it's collective senses. To me this is absolutely ridiculous.

TransNorway - Euro TRANNY MIND CONTROL and the NWO LGBT Agenda - YouTube
 

Samuel Sam

Council Member
The 'operations' are only the beginning of what's happening around the world. Take 12 minutes and watch this video and you will want to run around telling people NOT to have any babies until society comes to it's collective senses. To me this is absolutely ridiculous.

TransNorway - Euro TRANNY MIND CONTROL and the NWO LGBT Agenda - YouTube
That's absolutely dirty and stupid.
I don't want to raise my kids in a neuter society.
My parents were strict to me and I knew for sure that I was a boy, going to be a man and have to be strong and masculine. That's how the personality is built.
These equality issues are really bad for people!
 

Boltlady

Mayor
That's absolutely dirty and stupid.
I don't want to raise my kids in a neuter society.
My parents were strict to me and I knew for sure that I was a boy, going to be a man and have to be strong and masculine. That's how the personality is built.
These equality issues are really bad for people!
As is often the case they are going way beyond 'equality'. Now I do believe that equality in rights is important, but no matter how hard they try, they cannot make males and females the same. It's like they're shooting for a hermaphroditic society.

While it is true that amongst all animals and plants there are occasions where the genders get mixed up. That is an anomaly rather than the rule. There needs to be respect given to those who are so afflicted but it should not become the rule book for us all.
 
As is often the case they are going way beyond 'equality'. Now I do believe that equality in rights is important, but no matter how hard they try, they cannot make males and females the same. It's like they're shooting for a hermaphroditic society.

While it is true that amongst all animals and plants there are occasions where the genders get mixed up. That is an anomaly rather than the rule. There needs to be respect given to those who are so afflicted but it should not become the rule book for us all.
Being equal is not the same as being the same though is it?

The last time there was equality between the sexes was in the Bronze age, it was Christianity which bought us to this pretty pass.

And it is Zionism/Talmudics who are turning us into oxen.
 

gigi

Mayor
Being equal is not the same as being the same though is it?

The last time there was equality between the sexes was in the Bronze age, it was Christianity which bought us to this pretty pass.

And it is Zionism/Talmudics who are turning us into oxen.
I can't decide if you're full of shit or just nuts.
 

EatTheRich

President
Cause a human must have that gender which his biology tells him to have. It's not the society, it's mother nature to decide.
There's nothing natural about gender. In fact, that's the point of the theoretical distinction between "sex"--a natural, biological category--and "gender"--a social assignment.
 

EatTheRich

President
2. The doctors did the best they could. Operating on babies is sometimes easier, in the long run, than adolescents.
Not operating is easier still. What is particularly difficult is operating on people who already had surgery as infants and are dissatisfied with the assignment made by the "experts."
 
Not operating is easier still. What is particularly difficult is operating on people who already had surgery as infants and are dissatisfied with the assignment made by the "experts."
10 thousand erogenous nerves are ripped off in male circumcision; no form of fgm is that brutal; they can not be replaced.
 
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