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The Earth Is Now “Locked In” To A 3 Foot Sea Level Rise, NASA Says

oicu812

"Trust, but Verify"
It's inevitable. When people start to see the seas rising, they'll do what they have to to survive.
swimming would be a good idea...
but i understand...

i know what it takes to survive under catastrophic conditions....ive been there...

i also know its better to be the wolf than the sheep...
 

oicu812

"Trust, but Verify"
Of course. But look at the Bernie Sanders campaign. I don't think an avowed socialist has received so much public support in the U.S. since Eugene Debs. As the international depression conditions deepen, along with other crises including global warming, more and more Americans will become open to more and more radical solutions.

"international depression"

im not seeing it...anymore than im seeing bernie having a snowballs chance in hell of doing anything...

find something realistic i can hang my hat on...
 

oicu812

"Trust, but Verify"
We should make the cities more like rural areas, and rural areas more like cities, by resettling unemployed and vulnerable people from the cities on land seized from the large landowners and by encouraging the growth of agricultural communes using industrial methods.

hmmm,,,you got anything people will go with?
[besides the whole n.korea thing]

cause im trying to take you seriously,,and your not making it easy..
 

oicu812

"Trust, but Verify"
hellooooo,,,

so no real life answers?

then its settled..

on the one hand we have nasa claiming weve crossed the tipping point,,and a 3ft, rise in coastal waters are "locked in" and cannot be avoided or stopped....yet the weather experts here [this forum] have no idea what should be done to prepare for the loss of dry land to the people living there,,[i would think resettling them in other areas might be a good place to start,but im no climate scientist]

and on the other hand the long range plan for combatting global warming from our resident global reconstructionist is a new world order under communism...

oh! with bernie saunders at the helm...

piece of cake!
 
Yes, I do think it will happen. No, I don't think it can be prevented. However, by nationalizing basic industries and establish national and international democratic economic planning, we can adapt to the expected effects of destruction of major cities, loss of food-growing areas, mass refugee crises, and other climate-related challenges.
We did Nationalize our Industries, it didn't work. Not to say it couldn't but it didn't and never has so far.

In order to have any decent care for our respective societies we needs be able to afford that care -- putting 'care' into the hands of Politicians though is and was and shall always be asking for trouble just because of the nature of the beast, The Politician, it is not in their nature to Care but to Govern, to have and take hold of The Power. Our job, which we have become very lax over, is to temper the nature of The Politician, not to give them more of the Cake they so adore.

I am not sure what the answer is but Steiner ( Threefold Commonwealth) came the closest to a long term solution that I have ever read ---- too late I fear and we have ventured too far from the spirit in our souls.
 
There are two major climate regimes in the earth's history--the Icehouse Earth and the Greenhouse Earth. The Icehouse Earth, which includes both Ice Ages and interglacial periods, is the sort we are in now. But that has only been the situation for the last 30 million years or so. For 80% of the last 500 million, we were in a Greenhouse State--and during each of those Greenhouse periods, biodiversity plummeted as rainforests were eliminated and deserts became common. A rise in global mean temperature of 6 degrees could be enough to put us back in another greenhouse state.
But the temperature is cooling!

Oh you and I did this recently, I'm not doing it agin, so soon xxx
 
6 years ago they said the sea level was rising at an alarming rate, increasing the damage that would be done by hurricanes, tsunamis, etc. And come to find out Superstorm Sandy and the Tohoku tsunami wreaked great destruction. Now they are saying we need to prepare for much of Bangladesh, Nigeria, and the Netherlands to be underwater, along with much of the populous coasts of China, India, Japan, and the United States. That is to say, for hundreds of millions of climate refugees, for destruction of large amounts of arable land and consequent mass jumps in food prices, and for the wars that will inevitably follow.
Nope, they said 8 years ago that by 2012 half the World would be under water and that this 'sinking feeling' would already have half of Britain under water in a couple of years time. I gave you a link to that a week or so ago when we last found ourselves in this discussion.

A friend of mine told me recently, with horror in her voice, of two Scientists who went to one of the Poles to see what was happening with the Ice, they went, they saw and they made a fear filler of a film about it, they left. Oddly I had just been reading stuff written by scientists who are constantly watching the Ice, every day for 30 years or so and they say nothing untoward is happening and that even if all the Ice which floats the Seas melted nothing would happen because most of that floating is under the water anyway -- - Yes if all of the Ice on the Land would melt we would see some rise in Sea levels but is it melting? Nope. If it did we would never see another Ice Age again for the Ice Age is ony bought on by the existing Ice as the temperature cools, so if we could gauge what Land wold be lost to us and if we really were that Godlike if we don't want to see another Ice Age, melt it away --------- The Ocean gives us oxygen and loves carbon ---- I agree we do not care enough for our Garden but that is another matter.


What is wrong with the so called Green House effect? Without it there would be no gravity.
 

Samuel Sam

Council Member
My preferred solution - industrial scale desalinization plants. These will turn sea water into fresh water. The people of California will no longer go thirsty. The desert will bloom. Australia too.

Let's take the money we're spending on the failed ethanol programs and get to work on desalinization, which we clearly need
I take it hardly probable. If only the nature had a chance to be more alive it would. So if the water is salty and the deserts are dry there is a reason.
On the other hand we would have to face some other new problems. But I like your optimism
 

Dawg

President
Supporting Member
We should make the cities more like rural areas, and rural areas more like cities, by resettling unemployed and vulnerable people from the cities on land seized from the large landowners and by encouraging the growth of agricultural communes using industrial methods.
Why would we want the dead beats and crime moved to our rural areas? Who is going to 'seize' land from large landowners__________your plan is a damn good way to ensure population decreases and funeral homes are full.
 

JackDallas

Senator
Supporting Member
http://www.buzzfeed.com/jimdalrympleii/the-earth-is-now-locked-in-to-a-3-foot-sea-level-rise-nasa-s#.glqgXAPmg
Finally we can say for sure that the Global warming was not the conspiracy theory. Our planet is officially sinking.
Just recently NASA scientists have indicated the rise of the global waters. They say that soon the water on the planet may raise up to 3 feet.
It's strange but in the age of the scientific triumph people still don't know how to deal with that amount of water that comes from the polar ice.
I feel a bit terrified. I'd better go check on my swimming suit and paddlers

I wonder how much it is going to cost us in taxes to stop the water from rising
 

JackDallas

Senator
Supporting Member
NASA, and most other scientists studying it, say it can't be avoided. What COULD be avoided are the further consequences of unchecked carbon emissions ... complete uninhabitability (due to extreme heat, flooding, or drought) of everywhere in the world besides Britain, Scandinavia, Alaska, and Siberia, and frequent superstorms, acid rain, and deadly heat waves in those areas.
It's total bullshit. The sooner the Progs accept that they will be a lot happier and less annoying.
 
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Deleted member 21794

Guest
Previous warnings have been born out: rising temperatures, melting glaciers, loss of biodiversity, greater storm intensity, acidification of the oceans, increases in deadly heat waves. The main failing of the models is that they consistently underestimated how quickly glacial melt, acidification, and acceleration of heatstroke death would come about.

No mainstream climate scientists have been "caught with their pants down in deceptions, inaccurate climate models [no, the models are not perfect, but they are refined in the light of new data and a much better predictor of future outcomes than the "no warming" model or even the models of leading contrarians who acknowledge AGW but deny that it is the main source of recent climate variability] and manipulation, or removal of data." This is simply a lie repeated over and over by people for whom the scientific facts are politically (i.e., economically) inconvenient. There is no evidence for it. None.
Many predictions and climate models have also proven to be false. And yes, we all know what *refining* the climate models means: massaging the data after the fact. And I guess if we ignore the email scandal of *mainstream* scientists being caught plotting to deceive people, sure we can say they haven't been caught with their pants down".
 

JackDallas

Senator
Supporting Member
My point is zooming over your head.

I don't care about Al Gore. People like Limbaugh have warped your mind into thinking that global warming and its effects have something to do with Al Gore's lifestyle. They do not.
Al Gore started the hoax and brain-dead Progs continue to advance the bullshit. Gore is merely a hypocrite and an opportunist; those who believe and advance the hoax are fools.
 
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Deleted member 21794

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Yes, I do think it will happen. No, I don't think it can be prevented. However, by nationalizing basic industries and establish national and international democratic economic planning, we can adapt to the expected effects of destruction of major cities, loss of food-growing areas, mass refugee crises, and other climate-related challenges.
Our federal government can't even manage a car rebate program or balance on budget. Why on Earth would I want to let them seize yet even more power?
 

justoffal

Senator
We are living in an interglacial period --- meaning that we live on a cold Planet which is for most of the time covered mainly in Ice --- if it were warming and if it was us who was warming it good for us, keep on keeping on.

I deal with this all the time in power generation.......Warmer Water drives out co2 ...we count on it in fact to purify the boiler water. When the water cools the co2 is sucked back into the water.

JO
 
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I deal with this all the time in power generation.......Warmer Water drives out co2 ...we count on it in fact to purify the boiler water. When the water cools the co2 is sucked back into the water.

JO
And the Oceans are really really warm, aren't they justoffal? ;)
 
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Deleted member 21794

Guest
You are denying that the position you oppose is the overwhelming consensus position of honest, conscientious scientists who are experts in their field.
Oh I'm sure some are sincere. However, this has become a political issue and not a scientific one.

Like I said before, as soon as I see the powers that be changing their personal lives to reflect the concern they claim to have, I'll be listening. Until then, they're just contributing to *global warming* with all that hot air.
 
It's total bullshit. The sooner the Progs accept that they will be a lot happier and less annoying.
Whilst we are all waste our time battling furiously over this load of codswollop, of which we could do nothing about any which way, we take our eye off the ball.

Apart from the political motivations behind it, Man Made Climate Change, it is a distraction.
 

Arkady

President
http://www.buzzfeed.com/jimdalrympleii/the-earth-is-now-locked-in-to-a-3-foot-sea-level-rise-nasa-s#.glqgXAPmg
Finally we can say for sure that the Global warming was not the conspiracy theory. Our planet is officially sinking.
Just recently NASA scientists have indicated the rise of the global waters. They say that soon the water on the planet may raise up to 3 feet.
It's strange but in the age of the scientific triumph people still don't know how to deal with that amount of water that comes from the polar ice.
I feel a bit terrified. I'd better go check on my swimming suit and paddlers

I think that an important consideration that even many scientifically-minded environmentalists overlook is the fact that the PACE of change matters as much as the magnitude of change. A three-foot sea level rise in a month would be utterly devastating. A three-foot sea level rise in a thousand years would be barely noticeable from a human-quality-of-life perspective -- we'd be able to shift settlements and infrastructure away from the rise so gradually that it would be at about the natural pace of replacement for physical structures, meaning little or no "stranded capital." Similarly, plant and animal species would have time to shift robust biomes to keep up with shifting growing zones and changing tide lines (e.g., if a former estuary is inundated too deeply to house its former species and serve its former ecological role, such as being a nursery for ocean-going fish, that isn't a big issue if new flooded areas can become equally robust estuaries along the same timeline).

Adapting across multi-generational time-scales is fairly easy, for people, other animals, plants, and whole systems. What has me worried is that CO2 levels in the atmosphere continue to rise rapidly, which is setting us up for very rapid change, and rapid change is going to be a whole lot harder to deal with.
 
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