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Anti-intellectualism has made people vulnerable to con-men.

Arkady

President
Here's a pair of good articles about the way stoking anti-intellectual sentiment has set the stage for con-men like Donald Trump:

http://www.slate.com/blogs/bad_astronomy/2016/06/30/donald_trump_is_the_inevitable_result_of_decades_of_gop_denial_of_reality.html
https://newrepublic.com/article/134667/conservatives-groomed-perfect-suckers-trumps-epic-scam

Those focus on how the GOP cynically fed the know-nothing impulse for short-term political advantage, only to find themselves saddled with Trump as a result. But I think it's also worth looking into why the media played along.

I've made this argument before, but I think that, paradoxically, it comes down to the news media having gotten better at their job -- if you think their job is maximizing viewers/subscriptions/clicks. They've become much more aware of what actually sells in the news business, especially since the start of the Internet age. An old-line newspaper could fool itself into thinking people bought it for its thoughtful investigative reporting about important issues. But a website knows it's the garbage that gets attention. They have the hard data now, measuring actual reader clicks on a story-by-story basis.

This has taught the media financially valuable and civilly dangerous lessons about what "news" consumers actually care about. It has taught them that the politics of personal destruction amuse people. It has taught them the value of keeping faux-outrage turned up to 11, regardless of the importance of the story. It has taught them that when they cover politics as sports, they get a lot more attention than when they delve into policy analysis. So, they focus on horse-race handicapping, analysis of political strategy, gaffes, and other infotainment.

They cover politics the way the sports pages cover the home team when it's facing off against its hated rivals (red team or blue team, it doesn't matter). The outlets that first realized how stupid and petty the audience really is were the outlets that stood to gain the most. Roger Ailes understood early that the majority of potential news consumers were hateful dipshits, and he fed them the trashy partisanship they craved, laughing all the way to the bank.

Economics have factored in, too. News media outlets were once prestige businesses, run by families who used quality of coverage to accumulate social cachet. Now they're mostly run by huge for-profit corporations, which treat news like any other business in their portfolio of subsidiaries. They just try to maximize return on the investor dollar. Investigative journalism and in-depth policy analysis aren't cost-effective. Instead, they just have charismatic talking heads yell their respective political team's talking points at each other for a few minutes, which fills the news cycle cheaply.

Ironically, the public is actually smarter today than ever before, by pretty much any measurable indicator. IQs are up, literacy is up, drop-out rates are down, advanced educations are more common, etc. Yet you wouldn't know that from the news coverage. It's put together for imbeciles, these days, and that's having an increasingly dangerous effect on our politics. It has habituated people to a mindless, reflexive way of responding to issue of national concern. And that is the perfect milieu for people like Trump.
 
Here's a pair of good articles about the way stoking anti-intellectual sentiment has set the stage for con-men like Donald Trump:

http://www.slate.com/blogs/bad_astronomy/2016/06/30/donald_trump_is_the_inevitable_result_of_decades_of_gop_denial_of_reality.html
https://newrepublic.com/article/134667/conservatives-groomed-perfect-suckers-trumps-epic-scam

Those focus on how the GOP cynically fed the know-nothing impulse for short-term political advantage, only to find themselves saddled with Trump as a result. But I think it's also worth looking into why the media played along.

I've made this argument before, but I think that, paradoxically, it comes down to the news media having gotten better at their job -- if you think their job is maximizing viewers/subscriptions/clicks. They've become much more aware of what actually sells in the news business, especially since the start of the Internet age. An old-line newspaper could fool itself into thinking people bought it for its thoughtful investigative reporting about important issues. But a website knows it's the garbage that gets attention. They have the hard data now, measuring actual reader clicks on a story-by-story basis.

This has taught the media financially valuable and civilly dangerous lessons about what "news" consumers actually care about. It has taught them that the politics of personal destruction amuse people. It has taught them the value of keeping faux-outrage turned up to 11, regardless of the importance of the story. It has taught them that when they cover politics as sports, they get a lot more attention than when they delve into policy analysis. So, they focus on horse-race handicapping, analysis of political strategy, gaffes, and other infotainment.

They cover politics the way the sports pages cover the home team when it's facing off against its hated rivals (red team or blue team, it doesn't matter). The outlets that first realized how stupid and petty the audience really is were the outlets that stood to gain the most. Roger Ailes understood early that the majority of potential news consumers were hateful dipshits, and he fed them the trashy partisanship they craved, laughing all the way to the bank.

Economics have factored in, too. News media outlets were once prestige businesses, run by families who used quality of coverage to accumulate social cachet. Now they're mostly run by huge for-profit corporations, which treat news like any other business in their portfolio of subsidiaries. They just try to maximize return on the investor dollar. Investigative journalism and in-depth policy analysis aren't cost-effective. Instead, they just have charismatic talking heads yell their respective political team's talking points at each other for a few minutes, which fills the news cycle cheaply.

Ironically, the public is actually smarter today than ever before, by pretty much any measurable indicator. IQs are up, literacy is up, drop-out rates are down, advanced educations are more common, etc. Yet you wouldn't know that from the news coverage. It's put together for imbeciles, these days, and that's having an increasingly dangerous effect on our politics. It has habituated people to a mindless, reflexive way of responding to issue of national concern. And that is the perfect milieu for people like Trump.
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Here's a pair of good articles about the way stoking anti-intellectual sentiment has set the stage for con-men like Donald Trump:

http://www.slate.com/blogs/bad_astronomy/2016/06/30/donald_trump_is_the_inevitable_result_of_decades_of_gop_denial_of_reality.html
https://newrepublic.com/article/134667/conservatives-groomed-perfect-suckers-trumps-epic-scam

Those focus on how the GOP cynically fed the know-nothing impulse for short-term political advantage, only to find themselves saddled with Trump as a result. But I think it's also worth looking into why the media played along.

I've made this argument before, but I think that, paradoxically, it comes down to the news media having gotten better at their job -- if you think their job is maximizing viewers/subscriptions/clicks. They've become much more aware of what actually sells in the news business, especially since the start of the Internet age. An old-line newspaper could fool itself into thinking people bought it for its thoughtful investigative reporting about important issues. But a website knows it's the garbage that gets attention. They have the hard data now, measuring actual reader clicks on a story-by-story basis.

This has taught the media financially valuable and civilly dangerous lessons about what "news" consumers actually care about. It has taught them that the politics of personal destruction amuse people. It has taught them the value of keeping faux-outrage turned up to 11, regardless of the importance of the story. It has taught them that when they cover politics as sports, they get a lot more attention than when they delve into policy analysis. So, they focus on horse-race handicapping, analysis of political strategy, gaffes, and other infotainment.

They cover politics the way the sports pages cover the home team when it's facing off against its hated rivals (red team or blue team, it doesn't matter). The outlets that first realized how stupid and petty the audience really is were the outlets that stood to gain the most. Roger Ailes understood early that the majority of potential news consumers were hateful dipshits, and he fed them the trashy partisanship they craved, laughing all the way to the bank.

Economics have factored in, too. News media outlets were once prestige businesses, run by families who used quality of coverage to accumulate social cachet. Now they're mostly run by huge for-profit corporations, which treat news like any other business in their portfolio of subsidiaries. They just try to maximize return on the investor dollar. Investigative journalism and in-depth policy analysis aren't cost-effective. Instead, they just have charismatic talking heads yell their respective political team's talking points at each other for a few minutes, which fills the news cycle cheaply.

Ironically, the public is actually smarter today than ever before, by pretty much any measurable indicator. IQs are up, literacy is up, drop-out rates are down, advanced educations are more common, etc. Yet you wouldn't know that from the news coverage. It's put together for imbeciles, these days, and that's having an increasingly dangerous effect on our politics. It has habituated people to a mindless, reflexive way of responding to issue of national concern. And that is the perfect milieu for people like Trump.
People have lost faith in "experts". Somewhere along the people starting viewing experts as infallible. People can study something their entire lives, and still have the capacity to be wrong. They are generally wrong less than the uneducated, and for the most part I would side with intellectuals or credentialed experts over Sarah Palin, G-dub, Donald Trump or the rest of the anti-intellectual crowd.
 

Spamature

President
Here's a pair of good articles about the way stoking anti-intellectual sentiment has set the stage for con-men like Donald Trump:

http://www.slate.com/blogs/bad_astronomy/2016/06/30/donald_trump_is_the_inevitable_result_of_decades_of_gop_denial_of_reality.html
https://newrepublic.com/article/134667/conservatives-groomed-perfect-suckers-trumps-epic-scam

Those focus on how the GOP cynically fed the know-nothing impulse for short-term political advantage, only to find themselves saddled with Trump as a result. But I think it's also worth looking into why the media played along.

I've made this argument before, but I think that, paradoxically, it comes down to the news media having gotten better at their job -- if you think their job is maximizing viewers/subscriptions/clicks. They've become much more aware of what actually sells in the news business, especially since the start of the Internet age. An old-line newspaper could fool itself into thinking people bought it for its thoughtful investigative reporting about important issues. But a website knows it's the garbage that gets attention. They have the hard data now, measuring actual reader clicks on a story-by-story basis.

This has taught the media financially valuable and civilly dangerous lessons about what "news" consumers actually care about. It has taught them that the politics of personal destruction amuse people. It has taught them the value of keeping faux-outrage turned up to 11, regardless of the importance of the story. It has taught them that when they cover politics as sports, they get a lot more attention than when they delve into policy analysis. So, they focus on horse-race handicapping, analysis of political strategy, gaffes, and other infotainment.

They cover politics the way the sports pages cover the home team when it's facing off against its hated rivals (red team or blue team, it doesn't matter). The outlets that first realized how stupid and petty the audience really is were the outlets that stood to gain the most. Roger Ailes understood early that the majority of potential news consumers were hateful dipshits, and he fed them the trashy partisanship they craved, laughing all the way to the bank.

Economics have factored in, too. News media outlets were once prestige businesses, run by families who used quality of coverage to accumulate social cachet. Now they're mostly run by huge for-profit corporations, which treat news like any other business in their portfolio of subsidiaries. They just try to maximize return on the investor dollar. Investigative journalism and in-depth policy analysis aren't cost-effective. Instead, they just have charismatic talking heads yell their respective political team's talking points at each other for a few minutes, which fills the news cycle cheaply.

Ironically, the public is actually smarter today than ever before, by pretty much any measurable indicator. IQs are up, literacy is up, drop-out rates are down, advanced educations are more common, etc. Yet you wouldn't know that from the news coverage. It's put together for imbeciles, these days, and that's having an increasingly dangerous effect on our politics. It has habituated people to a mindless, reflexive way of responding to issue of national concern. And that is the perfect milieu for people like Trump.
Susceptible ? More like indispensable.

Trump supporters actually cheered at being called poorly educated.
 
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Anti-intellectualism has made people vulnerable to con-men

Agreed. How else would people believe a two-bit con man could insure more people, mandate more coverage and save everyone money at the same time?
 

Arkady

President
Anti-intellectualism has made people vulnerable to con-men

Agreed. How else would people believe a two-bit con man could insure more people, mandate more coverage and save everyone money at the same time?
Those of us who had studied the issue knew it was quite possible to expand coverage and lower costs at the same time, based on it actually having been done in many other nations. So, when it turned out that we did insure more people, mandate more coverage, while slowing the growth of healthcare costs, it didn't come as a big shock to any informed people. But for the right-wing ninnies who fell for con men predicting out of control costs and shrinking coverage, what actually happened was so unimaginable that they still haven't come to terms with the reality. That's what happens when anti-intellectualism debilitates the reasoning abilities of half the American populace.
 
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Deleted member 21794

Guest
Those of us who had studied the issue knew it was quite possible to expand coverage and lower costs at the same time, based on it actually having been done in many other nations. So, when it turned out that we did insure more people, mandate more coverage, while slowing the growth of healthcare costs, it didn't come as a big shock to any informed people. But for the right-wing ninnies who fell for con men predicting out of control costs and shrinking coverage, what actually happened was so unimaginable that they still haven't come to terms with the reality. That's what happens when anti-intellectualism debilitates the reasoning abilities of half the American populace.
I see.... so me being one of the people who knew Obamacare wouldn't reduce premiums makes me one of the anti-intellectuals. And the intellectuals were the ones who were fooled. Yeah, that really makes sense. I guess you gotta be an "intellectual" to understand your convoluted logic.
 

Mr. Friscus

Governor
Tell me a modern establishment politician that ISN'T an "anti-intellectual" con-man.

At least Trump has the "freedom" an Obama, Bush, or Clinton don't... to say what he wants, and not be held at the neck by a leash for funding, special interest, and global corporate orders.

And, another "Let's make a bunker with all the smart people in it and have them tell everyone else what to do" line of logic from Arkady.

What good is "intelligence" in life? It's an unbelievable asset, but also not universally great. Ask the "intelligent" Romans how that intelligence worked out against the Barbarian Invasion in 476.

But gosh, if only they had more social programs, they would have been okay!
 

Mr. Friscus

Governor
I've made this argument before, but I think that, paradoxically, it comes down to the news media having gotten better at their job -- if you think their job is maximizing viewers/subscriptions/clicks. They've become much more aware of what actually sells in the news business, especially since the start of the Internet age.
Exactly.

So it's the media who cons the people through emotion and identity.

They don't care about accurate journalism, they want to print what sells. And what sells on the dumbed-down populace is Drama, which is where the activist Democrat movement resides.

I couldn't agree with you more on Con-men (sexist term?) duping the unintelligent. However, it's the media duping the public.
 

PhilFish

Administrator
Staff member
Here's a pair of good articles about the way stoking anti-intellectual sentiment has set the stage for con-men like Donald Trump:

http://www.slate.com/blogs/bad_astronomy/2016/06/30/donald_trump_is_the_inevitable_result_of_decades_of_gop_denial_of_reality.html
https://newrepublic.com/article/134667/conservatives-groomed-perfect-suckers-trumps-epic-scam

Those focus on how the GOP cynically fed the know-nothing impulse for short-term political advantage, only to find themselves saddled with Trump as a result. But I think it's also worth looking into why the media played along.

I've made this argument before, but I think that, paradoxically, it comes down to the news media having gotten better at their job -- if you think their job is maximizing viewers/subscriptions/clicks. They've become much more aware of what actually sells in the news business, especially since the start of the Internet age. An old-line newspaper could fool itself into thinking people bought it for its thoughtful investigative reporting about important issues. But a website knows it's the garbage that gets attention. They have the hard data now, measuring actual reader clicks on a story-by-story basis.

This has taught the media financially valuable and civilly dangerous lessons about what "news" consumers actually care about. It has taught them that the politics of personal destruction amuse people. It has taught them the value of keeping faux-outrage turned up to 11, regardless of the importance of the story. It has taught them that when they cover politics as sports, they get a lot more attention than when they delve into policy analysis. So, they focus on horse-race handicapping, analysis of political strategy, gaffes, and other infotainment.

They cover politics the way the sports pages cover the home team when it's facing off against its hated rivals (red team or blue team, it doesn't matter). The outlets that first realized how stupid and petty the audience really is were the outlets that stood to gain the most. Roger Ailes understood early that the majority of potential news consumers were hateful dipshits, and he fed them the trashy partisanship they craved, laughing all the way to the bank.

Economics have factored in, too. News media outlets were once prestige businesses, run by families who used quality of coverage to accumulate social cachet. Now they're mostly run by huge for-profit corporations, which treat news like any other business in their portfolio of subsidiaries. They just try to maximize return on the investor dollar. Investigative journalism and in-depth policy analysis aren't cost-effective. Instead, they just have charismatic talking heads yell their respective political team's talking points at each other for a few minutes, which fills the news cycle cheaply.

Ironically, the public is actually smarter today than ever before, by pretty much any measurable indicator. IQs are up, literacy is up, drop-out rates are down, advanced educations are more common, etc. Yet you wouldn't know that from the news coverage. It's put together for imbeciles, these days, and that's having an increasingly dangerous effect on our politics. It has habituated people to a mindless, reflexive way of responding to issue of national concern. And that is the perfect milieu for people like Trump.


good read (as always) and interesting perspective.. but, really...smarter than ever? we're awash with imbeciles...persons (in ever increasing numbers) who are financially illiterate, marginally literate (see your comment on news written for imbecile level comprehension, above), barely self sustaining (in that they are unable to cook, clean, sew, ...you know..handle basic living functions) and are instead reliant on pre-made, pre cooked..boxed foods and starbucks-esque sources. Politics, feh. Comprehension, poo. Bunch of clods, some barely competent enough to pass barcoded mass produced goods over a barcode scanner... I mean..yikes..

our gauge is pegged on imbecile...and more of them every day.. the right,, the left, none are immune..
 

Mr. Friscus

Governor
our gauge is pegged on imbecile...and more of them every day.. the right,, the left, none are immune..
I'm pretty sure Arkady's stance is that the left is smart and the right is dumb.

As intellectual an argument as it isn't.. that's the play I've heard.
 

Lukey

Senator
What you fail to understand is that the "anti-intellectualism" is driven by the failure of the "intellectual" liberal progressive elites to produce results that were felt by the average person. YOU are the ones responsible for Trump. You act like your agenda has succeeded and yet the "dummies" have rejected it anyway. NOTHING could be further from the truth. Everything you believe about economics and politics is wrong - EVERYTHING!
 

Lukey

Senator
Those of us who had studied the issue knew it was quite possible to expand coverage and lower costs at the same time, based on it actually having been done in many other nations. So, when it turned out that we did insure more people, mandate more coverage, while slowing the growth of healthcare costs, it didn't come as a big shock to any informed people. But for the right-wing ninnies who fell for con men predicting out of control costs and shrinking coverage, what actually happened was so unimaginable that they still haven't come to terms with the reality. That's what happens when anti-intellectualism debilitates the reasoning abilities of half the American populace.
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http://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/politics-government/national-politics/article87002882.html

Actually, costs are still rising and enrollment is down. Everything you believe about economics and politics is demonstrably wrong!
 
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Deleted member 21794

Guest
good read (as always) and interesting perspective.. but, really...smarter than ever? we're awash with imbeciles...persons (in ever increasing numbers) who are financially illiterate, marginally literate (see your comment on news written for imbecile level comprehension, above), barely self sustaining (in that they are unable to cook, clean, sew, ...you know..handle basic living functions) and are instead reliant on pre-made, pre cooked..boxed foods and starbucks-esque sources. Politics, feh. Comprehension, poo. Bunch of clods, some barely competent enough to pass barcoded mass produced goods over a barcode scanner... I mean..yikes..

our gauge is pegged on imbecile...and more of them every day.. the right,, the left, none are immune..
Well said. And even worse, it's the "intellectuals" who insist on pegging everything on imbecile- while trying to be snooty about their supposed intelligence and making drooling rants against "anti-intellectualism". o_O
 
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http://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/politics-government/national-politics/article87002882.html

Actually, costs are still rising and enrollment is down. Everything you believe about economics and politics is demonstrably wrong!
I believe Arkady is trying the same old nonsense liberals have peddled since I became aware of politics. They continuously peddle absolute nonsense. Your numbers on Obamacare are of course classic. We stupid people saw this a mile away, yet Arkady, who was wrong from Day One and continues to be wrong is the really smart guy.

Here's another very basic example. Terrorism. Leftists like Barack Obama are resistant to call the worst and most damaging terrorism worldwide what it is: Islamic extremist terrorism. I would challenge ANYONE to find any "intellectual" to show me where the first step in dealing with a problem is to identify it. Even a neanderthal would know this. But no, the really smart people will tell us we're wrong.

Basically, leftists like Arkady are complete fools who believe in things that are not only wrong, but defy common sense. As a defense mechanism, they try to play the snooty intelligence card.
 

Lukey

Senator
I believe Arkady is trying the same old nonsense liberals have peddled since I became aware of politics. They continuously peddle absolute nonsense. Your numbers on Obamacare are of course classic. We stupid people saw this a mile away, yet Arkady, who was wrong from Day One and continues to be wrong is the really smart guy.

Here's another very basic example. Terrorism. Leftists like Barack Obama are resistant to call the worst and most damaging terrorism worldwide what it is: Islamic extremist terrorism. I would challenge ANYONE to find any "intellectual" to show me where the first step in dealing with a problem is to identify it. Even a neanderthal would know this. But no, the really smart people will tell us we're wrong.

Basically, leftists like Arkady are complete fools who believe in things that are not only wrong, but defy common sense. As a defense mechanism, they try to play the snooty intelligence card.
"Intellectuals" on the left are so smart that they can believe things are as they perceive them, rather than the way they actually are. This is why I like to refer to them as "navel gazers" (and @Arkady is a classic example) - they are so convinced that they are smarter than everyone else that they simply feel no need to look further than the end of their (turned up) noses for the evidence that they are correct. That way they never have to accept their myriad real world failures.
 

Arkady

President
I see.... so me being one of the people who knew Obamacare wouldn't reduce premiums makes me one of the anti-intellectuals.
No. I think every informed person correctly anticipated that premiums would continue to rise, notwithstanding Obama's lies. But, some of us also correctly anticipated a slower rate of total healthcare expense growth after Obamacare than before it, as well as correctly anticipating a growing share of Americans would be covered (many on the right wrongly thought it would be a net-negative in that regard, thanks to insurers dropping people).
 

Arkady

President
Tell me a modern establishment politician that ISN'T an "anti-intellectual" con-man.
Fair enough. They're all "con men" to a degree. But Trump is working the grift at a whole different level than we've seen before. First, he was a pure snake-oil salesman in his pre-political life -- e.g., selling lies and worthless seminars to credulous people through his Trump "University." And, as one of the two articles I linked to points out, he seems very much trying to make good on his earlier idea of turning a presidential run into a profit-making enterprise -- for example, having his campaign spend a huge amount of money with various Trump-affiliated businesses, rather than funding campaign ads. That's a clever grift that nobody really thought of before Trump: channeling millions in donations right into his own personal coffers by way of buying campaign staffers Trump-brand bottled water, etc.

What good is "intelligence" in life? It's an unbelievable asset, but also not universally great. Ask the "intelligent" Romans how that intelligence worked out against the Barbarian Invasion in 476.
Ask the dumb barbarians how the invasion of 102 BCE went for them against the smart Romans. Back when the Romans were smart and the barbarians were dumb, it was no contest. By 476 CE, things were very different. The "barbarians" and the Romans were virtually indistinguishable in terms of sophistication. Alaric, who led those Visigoths who finally ended the Roman Empire, was a devout Christian who had spent years as a commander of Roman forces. Attila the Hun, similarly, had been fostered in a Roman noble's family. The "barbarians" had gotten smarter.
 

Arkady

President
Exactly.

So it's the media who cons the people through emotion and identity.

They don't care about accurate journalism, they want to print what sells. And what sells on the dumbed-down populace is Drama, which is where the activist Democrat movement resides.

I couldn't agree with you more on Con-men (sexist term?) duping the unintelligent. However, it's the media duping the public.
I don't think "drama" is particularly the province of the Democratic movement. Sure, they play to that, too, but you'll find a lot more dry, egg-headed analysis for Democrats, these days, than from Republicans. There's a reason that scientists and others who are less entranced by drama tend to lean Democrat. It wasn't always that way. In the 1950s and 1960s, for example, I think the Democrats were a lot more theatrical than the Republicans. There was a certain tweedy squareness to the Eisenhower-age GOP. But that brand of Republicanism is practically dead. The last holdouts and atavists have been fleeing the party (most recently George Will).

As for whether con-men is a sexist term, I guess it is on the face of it, but I'd argue it's appropriately so. Almost without exception, when you find an honest-to-goodness grift going on (Madoff, Ponzi, various snake-oil cures and bizarre investment schemes), you find a man running it.
 
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