Is it time for Whitey to just give up and accept that he is a racist?

Fast Eddy · Aug 27, 2016

Wolfert Webber said:
You refer to a dying creed.

Sadly I believe you are right. If we do not turn things around soon the history will show the deterioration and loss of much that was good. Our kids will live in a much worse world than we did.

EatTheRich · Aug 28, 2016

The Sage of Main Street said:
Only the ruling class supported Reconstruction's Black Supremacy. The majority of Northerners were shut out from having any say about that rape of the South, although they were still bitter about having their sons killed by secessionists.

Every Reconstruction government was dominated by white "carpetbaggers" ... thus, not "Black Supremacy." The Radical Republicans supporting it were the most popular politicians in the North among the working class. And Reconstruction had broad support throughout the South, which is why a campaign of brutal terror against white and Black supporters was required to put an end to it.

protectionist · Sep 3, 2016

EatTheRich said:
I think most whites are much more progressive on race and repulsed by outright bigotry than in the Jim Crow days, but I don't think the fact that some progress has been made absolves us of responsibility to tear down the remaining institutional pillars of white supremacy.

I think most Blacks are much more progressive on race relations, and repulsed by outright bigotry (ie. AFFIRMATIVE ACTION DISCRIMINATION) than you hear about, but I don't think the fact this insight exists, absolves us of responsibility to tear down the institutional pillars of Black supremacy.

Therefore, we need to ban the racist abomination of Affirmative Action nationwide (currently banned in only 8 states), and enact reparations$$$$$$$$$$$$ for Whites victimized/discriminated against for 55 years.

protectionist · Sep 3, 2016

BitterPill said:
He's 100% alt-right, hates Democrats.

Nothing wrong with that.

EatTheRich · Sep 10, 2016

protectionist said:
I think most Blacks are much more progressive on race relations, and repulsed by outright bigotry (ie. AFFIRMATIVE ACTION DISCRIMINATION) than you hear about, but I don't think the fact this insight exists, absolves us of responsibility to tear down the institutional pillars of Black supremacy.

Therefore, we need to ban the racist abomination of Affirmative Action nationwide (currently banned in only 8 states), and enact reparations$$$$$$$$$$$$ for Whites victimized/discriminated against for 55 years.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/184772/higher-support-gender-affirmative-action-race.aspx
77% of Blacks, 53% of whites, and 61% of Hispanics favor "affirmative action programs for racial minorities." I submit that a majority of white and Black Americans are not racist, and would not support these affirmative action programs if these programs weren't anti-racist in intent and in effect.

80% of Blacks, 74% of Hispanics, and 63% of whites favor "affirmative action programs for women." 72% of women and 62% of men favor these programs; 60% of women and 55% of men favor "affirmative action for racial minorities." I submit that these statistics reflect the fact that women are an oppressed majority, who are thus more likely to ally with another oppressed social layer, Blacks and other racial minorities. These racial minorities are in turn more likely to support women.

The familiar statistics about employment, education, environmental welfare, home ownership, health care, credit, crime, casualties of war, rape, sexual harassment, disability, jobs and justice show at a glance that talk of "Black supremacy" is a cruel racist joke.

Affirmative action is a life-or-death issue for the working class, which if divided by sexism and racism will never be able to win the inevitable strike battles with the bosses. Affirmative action is the right thing to do. Affirmative action has the support of a majority of Americans, white, Black, Hispanic, male, and female. Affirmative action has powerful defenders--the unions, the anti-racist organizations, and other allies on the left--who aren't going to give it up without a fight, and who will defend it by demanding strict quotas to make it enforceable and effective.

Affirmative action is more than 55 years old. It goes back to the first Freedmen's Bureau bill, passed by the Republican 39th Congress, the same Congress which outlawed slavery and passed the 14th Amendment which is the basis for most of the anti-segregation legislation, and signed by Abraham Lincoln, which provided for welfare aid that was only available to Blacks. If whites are owed reparations for 55 years of "Black supremacy"--during which entire time whites were on average better off than Blacks (and white men were usually better off than Black men, white women were better off than Black women, white lawyers were better off than Black lawyers, white farmers were better off than Black farmers, etc., etc.)--Blacks are surely owed reparations for nearly 400 years of white supremacy, including more than 2 centuries of literal slavery. And I don't think the Freedmen's Bureau services are adequate compensation.

EatTheRich · Sep 10, 2016

protectionist said:
Nothing wrong with that.

Nothing wrong with hating Democrats, but "alt-right" means racist and often fascist.

Edit: Nothing wrong with hating the Democratic Party and its leaders, anyway.

protectionist · Sep 10, 2016

EatTheRich said:
http://www.gallup.com/poll/184772/higher-support-gender-affirmative-action-race.aspx
77% of Blacks, 53% of whites, and 61% of Hispanics favor "affirmative action programs for racial minorities." I submit that a majority of white and Black Americans are not racist, and would not support these affirmative action programs if these programs weren't anti-racist in intent and in effect.

80% of Blacks, 74% of Hispanics, and 63% of whites favor "affirmative action programs for women." 72% of women and 62% of men favor these programs; 60% of women and 55% of men favor "affirmative action for racial minorities." I submit that these statistics reflect the fact that women are an oppressed majority, who are thus more likely to ally with another oppressed social layer, Blacks and other racial minorities. These racial minorities are in turn more likely to support women.

The familiar statistics about employment, education, environmental welfare, home ownership, health care, credit, crime, casualties of war, rape, sexual harassment, disability, jobs and justice show at a glance that talk of "Black supremacy" is a cruel racist joke.

Affirmative action is a life-or-death issue for the working class, which if divided by sexism and racism will never be able to win the inevitable strike battles with the bosses. Affirmative action is the right thing to do. Affirmative action has the support of a majority of Americans, white, Black, Hispanic, male, and female. Affirmative action has powerful defenders--the unions, the anti-racist organizations, and other allies on the left--who aren't going to give it up without a fight, and who will defend it by demanding strict quotas to make it enforceable and effective.

Affirmative action is more than 55 years old. It goes back to the first Freedmen's Bureau bill, passed by the Republican 39th Congress, the same Congress which outlawed slavery and passed the 14th Amendment which is the basis for most of the anti-segregation legislation, and signed by Abraham Lincoln, which provided for welfare aid that was only available to Blacks. If whites are owed reparations for 55 years of "Black supremacy"--during which entire time whites were on average better off than Blacks (and white men were usually better off than Black men, white women were better off than Black women, white lawyers were better off than Black lawyers, white farmers were better off than Black farmers, etc., etc.)--Blacks are surely owed reparations for nearly 400 years of white supremacy, including more than 2 centuries of literal slavery. And I don't think the Freedmen's Bureau services are adequate compensation.

Your numbers don't fly. Maybe they are old. Here are the correct NEW numbers. 70% of Americans say merit should be only basis for college admissions. Nearly two-thirds (65 percent) of those surveyed by Gallup between June 29 and July 2, 2016, said they disagreed with the decision of the Supreme Court giving colleges the right to consider race & ethnicity in admissions. Even Blacks oppose Affirmative Action based in race - 50% to 44%.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/193508/oppose-colleges-considering-race-admissions.aspx

Blacks living today are owed NOTHING due to slavery or Jim Crow that they were not afflicted by. Whites living today ARE OWED REPARATIONS$ for Affirmative Action discrimination that they have suffered damages$$$ from. These reparations should not be paid by the govt. They should be paid by the very same people (Black or White) who pushed and supported Affirmative Action, out of their own personal pockets.

Affirmative Action is racial discrimination, clearly in violation of the US civil rights laws, which is the basis for the ban on it, in the 8 states where it is banned. It is clearly WRONG, and anyone who would defend it, is deranged.

EatTheRich · Sep 10, 2016

protectionist said:
Your numbers don't fly. Maybe they are old. Here are the correct NEW numbers. 70% of Americans say merit should be only basis for college admissions. Nearly two-thirds (65 percent) of those surveyed by Gallup between June 29 and July 2, 2016, said they disagreed with the decision of the Supreme Court giving colleges the right to consider race & ethnicity in admissions. Even Blacks oppose Affirmative Action based in race - 50% to 44%.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/193508/oppose-colleges-considering-race-admissions.aspx

Blacks living today are owed NOTHING due to slavery or Jim Crow that they were not afflicted by. Whites living today ARE OWED REPARATIONS$ for Affirmative Action discrimination that they have suffered damages$$$ from. These reparations should not be paid by the govt. They should be paid by the very same people (Black or White) who pushed and supported Affirmative Action, out of their own personal pockets.

Affirmative Action is racial discrimination, clearly in violation of the US civil rights laws, which is the basis for the ban on it, in the 8 states where it is banned. It is clearly WRONG, and anyone who would defend it, is deranged.

Modern affirmative action, of course, was created by the Civil Rights Act of 1964, the major civil rights law of the modern age. It is a response to the fact that Blacks today suffer an unfair burden (less accumulated family wealth, lack of access to informal social networks for career advancement, housing in inferior neighborhoods, bigotry at the hands of the therefore mostly white business and political elite) due to slavery, Jim Crow, and ongoing institutional discrimination.

The difference between the 2015 survey I cited and the 2016 one you cited is in the questions asked. In 2015, they asked the simple question whether people supported or opposed affirmative action, and a strong majority, including a majority of white males, were in favor. In 2016, they asked a convoluted question about whether people thought that decisions should be made based on merit even if it means few opportunities for minorities, to which many people answered yes in support for the current system of affirmative action (which though it allows but few opportunities to minorities, still makes for a more merit-based opportunity system than the unfettered white privilege we'd see in its absence), as opposed to your caricatured version where merit and everything else takes a back seat to racial considerations. And they asked whether people favored or opposed the Supreme Court decision--to which many people answered that they opposed it because its half-hearted upholding of affirmative action's legality in strictly defined circumstances (occasioned by the mass popular movement against Jim Crow and sexism and the new power relations created by it) didn't do enough to provide a vigorous legal bulwark for an aggressive affirmative action program.

protectionist · Sep 10, 2016

EatTheRich said:
Nothing wrong with hating Democrats, but "alt-right" means racist and often fascist.

Edit: Nothing wrong with hating the Democratic Party and its leaders, anyway.

Alt-left means support for Affirmative Action, and therefore racist. And it is by far the largest racism in America, afflicting by far the largest number of victims (whites) for 55 years

protectionist · Sep 10, 2016

EatTheRich said:
Modern affirmative action, of course, was created by the Civil Rights Act of 1964, the major civil rights law of the modern age. It is a response to the fact that Blacks today suffer an unfair burden (less accumulated family wealth, lack of access to informal social networks for career advancement, housing in inferior neighborhoods, bigotry at the hands of the therefore mostly white business and political elite) due to slavery, Jim Crow, and ongoing institutional discrimination.

The difference between the 2015 survey I cited and the 2016 one you cited is in the questions asked. In 2015, they asked the simple question whether people supported or opposed affirmative action, and a strong majority, including a majority of white males, were in favor. In 2016, they asked a convoluted question about whether people thought that decisions should be made based on merit even if it means few opportunities for minorities, to which many people answered yes in support for the current system of affirmative action (which though it allows but few opportunities to minorities, still makes for a more merit-based opportunity system than the unfettered white privilege we'd see in its absence), as opposed to your caricatured version where merit and everything else takes a back seat to racial considerations. And they asked whether people favored or opposed the Supreme Court decision--to which many people answered that they opposed it because its half-hearted upholding of affirmative action's legality in strictly defined circumstances (occasioned by the mass popular movement against Jim Crow and sexism and the new power relations created by it) didn't do enough to provide a vigorous legal bulwark for an aggressive affirmative action program.

1 FALSE! AA began by Kennedy in 1961, and was alreqady in full bloom by the time the 1964 CR Act came around.

2. FALSE! Blacks today do not suffer ANYTHING. Quite the contrary, they ENJOY the benefits of AA, and it is Whites who suffer the unfair burden of it.

3. I don't need a synopsis of my post. It explained itself quite well. Most Americans opposed the recent decision of the SCOTUS which OK'd AA, and that's where it stands

EatTheRich · Sep 10, 2016

protectionist said:
Alt-left means support for Affirmative Action, and therefore racist. And it is by far the largest racism in America, afflicting by far the largest number of victims (whites) for 55 years

Was it racist when Ike mandated it?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Executive_Order_10479

EatTheRich · Sep 10, 2016

protectionist said:
Most Americans opposed the recent decision of the SCOTUS which OK'd AA, and that's where it stands

As I said, some opposed it because it OKd any affirmative action, while some opposed it because it OKd only limited affirmative action and didn't create a robust legal bulwark for affirmative action.

EatTheRich · Sep 10, 2016

protectionist said:
Quite the contrary, they ENJOY the benefits of AA

Saying that Blacks "enjoy the benefits of AA" is like saying that I'm discriminated against because the disabled have their own reserved parking spot. Or that soup kitchens discriminate against the rich because almost everyone who eats at them is poor.

The Sage of Main Street · Sep 10, 2016

EatTheRich said:
Modern affirmative action, of course, was created by the Civil Rights Act of 1964, the major civil rights law of the modern age. It is a response to the fact that Blacks today suffer an unfair burden (less accumulated family wealth, lack of access to informal social networks for career advancement, housing in inferior neighborhoods, bigotry at the hands of the therefore mostly white business and political elite) due to slavery, Jim Crow, and ongoing institutional discrimination.

The difference between the 2015 survey I cited and the 2016 one you cited is in the questions asked. In 2015, they asked the simple question whether people supported or opposed affirmative action, and a strong majority, including a majority of white males, were in favor. In 2016, they asked a convoluted question about whether people thought that decisions should be made based on merit even if it means few opportunities for minorities, to which many people answered yes in support for the current system of affirmative action (which though it allows but few opportunities to minorities, still makes for a more merit-based opportunity system than the unfettered white privilege we'd see in its absence), as opposed to your caricatured version where merit and everything else takes a back seat to racial considerations. And they asked whether people favored or opposed the Supreme Court decision--to which many people answered that they opposed it because its half-hearted upholding of affirmative action's legality in strictly defined circumstances (occasioned by the mass popular movement against Jim Crow and sexism and the new power relations created by it) didn't do enough to provide a vigorous legal bulwark for an aggressive affirmative action program.

Ding Dongs of the Bell Curve

The ruling class, which a sucker like you imagine you oppose, hates, fears, and humiliates the talented. That is the source of the insult to intelligence called Affirmative Action and also of athletic "scholarships." Also note the hypocrisy in Jock Entitlement. Except for the mandatory silliness of competing for funds with women's sports, in men's teams there is no requirement forcing a team to take underrepresented minorities, such as Vietnamese-Americans on the football team.

protectionist · Sep 10, 2016

EatTheRich said:
Was it racist when Ike mandated it?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Executive_Order_10479

"It" ? Just a mandate for non-discrimination. No, of course that's wasn't racist. It also wasn't AA. AA is a mandate FOR discrimination (against Whites). You need to be honest. Dishonesty doesn't look good on you.

protectionist · Sep 10, 2016

EatTheRich said:
As I said, some opposed it because it OKd any affirmative action, while some opposed it because it OKd only limited affirmative action and didn't create a robust legal bulwark for affirmative action.

The link doesn't say that. Only you do.

protectionist · Sep 10, 2016

EatTheRich said:
Saying that Blacks "enjoy the benefits of AA" is like saying that I'm discriminated against because the disabled have their own reserved parking spot. Or that soup kitchens discriminate against the rich because almost everyone who eats at them is poor.

FALSE! The disabled NEED their reserved parking spot. And poor people need soup kitchens. But Blacks who are not poor, don't need anything. And rich Blacks continue to receive AA, at the expense of poor whites. Simply WRONG. And YOU KNOW it.

EatTheRich · Sep 10, 2016

The Sage of Main Street said:
Ding Dongs of the Bell Curve

The ruling class, which a sucker like you imagine you oppose, hates, fears, and humiliates the talented. That is the source of the insult to intelligence called Affirmative Action and also of athletic "scholarships." Also note the hypocrisy in Jock Entitlement. Except for the mandatory silliness of competing for funds with women's sports, in men's teams there is no requirement forcing a team to take underrepresented minorities, such as Vietnamese-Americans on the football team.

Affirmative action allows anyone who is talented to rise to the top instead of limiting the competition to white males.

EatTheRich · Sep 10, 2016

protectionist said:
"It" ? Just a mandate for non-discrimination. No, of course that's wasn't racist. It also wasn't AA. AA is a mandate FOR discrimination (against Whites). You need to be honest. Dishonesty doesn't look good on you.

In practice, non-discrimination means affirmative action, because without it discrimination will be rampant.

EatTheRich · Sep 10, 2016

protectionist said:
The link doesn't say that. Only you do.

It's the only possible inference given that when people are asked simply whether they support or oppose affirmative action, a clear majority supports it.

Is it time for Whitey to just give up and accept that he is a racist?

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