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A Handy Guide For Liberals Who Are Suddenly Interested In Gun Ownership

middleview

President
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How long did it take FDR to do get it below 7%?

Was there anything like, I dunno, a war to affect unemployment?

Give it up. FDR was an economic basket case.
The idiotic implication was that it should have taken a year to turn the depression around...and yet it took five years for Reagan to turn a recession around that had less than 1/3rd the unemployment impact. If FDR was an economic basket case how would you classify Reagan making things worse in his first two years? Reagan had been president from January 1981 to November 1982...and the unemployment rate went up by about 50%...
 

middleview

President
Supporting Member
Theft is always the thief's fault; you don't get to lay blame for their bad acts at the feet of the victim. And "reasonable" actions to protect themselves, starts to sound like those "reasonable" gun laws.... you know the ones that aren't a damn bit reasonable? :cool: No thanks, they can run their business as they please; you disapprove? Shop somewhere else.
Now, as to those 2 gun shops you referred to, do you know if the one with no visible security leaves their merchandise on display overnight? Because what I have seen a few shops do, is spend their security budgets on a couple large gun safes bolted to the floor in the back room, and a serious alarm and camera set-up. And every night at closing, they move all the merchandise back in there. Safes can be broken into easier than most folks think, (see link in earlier post) but they won't have time during a smash-and-grab burglary.
The one that is well protected has bars on the windows and doors...the one that is not is not even on the main street, it is facing a section of the parking lot that would make it easy to hide a vehicle while breaking in. No bars on the window or glass door. It also has a range downstairs.

The better protected store is a lot larger, more inventory, for sure. Security would be a better investment. Nonetheless...yes I think it is mandatory, or should be, that adequate security to prevent a large theft....If you were the insurance agent, what would you think of a poorly protected shop?

While you seem to want to absolve irresponsible FFLs...how about a gas station with no emergency shut off? Hey...those cost money. How about a restaurant that doesn't monitor expiration dates or refrigerator temps? I could sell cheaper food if you don't mind possibly getting food poisoning....
 

Dawg

President
Supporting Member
The one that is well protected has bars on the windows and doors...the one that is not is not even on the main street, it is facing a section of the parking lot that would make it easy to hide a vehicle while breaking in. No bars on the window or glass door. It also has a range downstairs.

The better protected store is a lot larger, more inventory, for sure. Security would be a better investment. Nonetheless...yes I think it is mandatory, or should be, that adequate security to prevent a large theft....If you were the insurance agent, what would you think of a poorly protected shop?

While you seem to want to absolve irresponsible FFLs...how about a gas station with no emergency shut off? Hey...those cost money. How about a restaurant that doesn't monitor expiration dates or refrigerator temps? I could sell cheaper food if you don't mind possibly getting food poisoning....
one can get food poisoned with expensive food
fast food is cheap food.................
 

middleview

President
Supporting Member
I thought the topic was Obama. Obviously you don't think you defend him and need to go back 27 years to whine and deflect.

Hilarious!
By the way...be sure to talk to Constitutional Sheepdog about going back to 1929....
 
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freyasman

Senator
The one that is well protected has bars on the windows and doors...the one that is not is not even on the main street, it is facing a section of the parking lot that would make it easy to hide a vehicle while breaking in. No bars on the window or glass door. It also has a range downstairs.

The better protected store is a lot larger, more inventory, for sure. Security would be a better investment. Nonetheless...yes I think it is mandatory, or should be, that adequate security to prevent a large theft....If you were the insurance agent, what would you think of a poorly protected shop?

While you seem to want to absolve irresponsible FFLs...how about a gas station with no emergency shut off? Hey...those cost money. How about a restaurant that doesn't monitor expiration dates or refrigerator temps? I could sell cheaper food if you don't mind possibly getting food poisoning....
I'm in favor of protecting your stuff, I'm just really not in favor of anyone mandating how or how much protecting you do. Not governments, or insurance companies, or anyone else.
 

freyasman

Senator
one can get food poisoned with expensive food
fast food is cheap food.................
I like trying new food trucks all over Houston; I've gotten the shits a couple times but I've also found some really good tortas and tacos.... I ain't scared. ;)
 

Dawg

President
Supporting Member
I like trying new food trucks all over Houston; I've gotten the shits a couple times but I've also found some really good tortas and tacos.... I ain't scared. ;)
Hey, every once in awhile we need get the shits just to clean the system out..........MV just like to remind readers he has a Fast Food Joint...I mean Restaurant ☺
 

middleview

President
Supporting Member
I'm in favor of protecting your stuff, I'm just really not in favor of anyone mandating how or how much protecting you do. Not governments, or insurance companies, or anyone else.
So insurance companies should not be able to mandate a driver's license before they'll let you have car insurance? I should tell my insurance company that they are out of bounds mandating a fire suppression system in my kitchen? No fair telling me I have to have a security system, alarm system and cameras?
 

freyasman

Senator
So insurance companies should not be able to mandate a driver's license before they'll let you have car insurance? I should tell my insurance company that they are out of bounds mandating a fire suppression system in my kitchen? No fair telling me I have to have a security system, alarm system and cameras?
I see your point, but all of that can be taken too far, especially for small businesses, and especially for businesses which are politically or socially unpopular, such as gun shops in very liberal areas and pot dispensaries in very conservative ones (to cite a Colorado example ;)).
If you have to have insurance, and yet that insurance is prohibitively expensive, then small businesses are pretty well screwed, aren't they?
 
C

Capitalist

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The idiotic implication was that it should have taken a year to turn the depression around...and yet it took five years for Reagan to turn a recession around that had less than 1/3rd the unemployment impact. If FDR was an economic basket case how would you classify Reagan making things worse in his first two years? Reagan had been president from January 1981 to November 1982...and the unemployment rate went up by about 50%...
Harding cut the top tax rate from 75% to 25% and slashed government spending by 50%. The economy snapped back and ushered in "The Roaring Twenties." Reagan was less aggressive and so the economy took longer to come back.

FDR was a basket case and so we had the Great Depression.
 

middleview

President
Supporting Member
I see your point, but all of that can be taken too far, especially for small businesses, and especially for businesses which are politically or socially unpopular, such as gun shops in very liberal areas and pot dispensaries in very conservative ones (to cite a Colorado example ;)).
If you have to have insurance, and yet that insurance is prohibitively expensive, then small businesses are pretty well screwed, aren't they?
Trust me...My insurance costs for the restaurant are so high that when we've had a theft or a car accident we don't report it.
 

middleview

President
Supporting Member
Harding cut the top tax rate from 75% to 25% and slashed government spending by 50%. The economy snapped back and ushered in "The Roaring Twenties." Reagan was less aggressive and so the economy took longer to come back.

FDR was a basket case and so we had the Great Depression.
Again....recessions and depressions are not all the same...the causes are not the same, the impact is not the same...the solutions are not the same.

The 1920 recession was driven by the conversion of the economy from a war time to a peace time one. Over a million men were demobilized and were unemployed. Automobile production dropped 60%...European agriculture had recovered and driven prices down..add to that the tighter monetary policy to combat inflation....The Fed increased the interest rate to 7% from 4.75%....

The recession of 1920 lasted until July of 1921. Harding was sworn into office in March of 1921....What did Harding do from March to July to end the recession? In May we had congress pass a tariff on agricultural products. The tax bill didn't pass until November.
The top marginal rate was reduced annually in four stages from 73% in 1921 to 25% in 1925. Unemployment peaked at 12% in 1921.

The federal budget was 18.4 billion in 1919....it was 6.3 billion in 1920, 5 billion in 1921 and 4 billion in 1922. Harding cut spending from 4 billion to 3.8 billion in 1923.

FDR took office in 1933. The unemployment rate was 25% and the depression was world wide. It was a depression before he took office.
 
C

Capitalist

Guest
Again....recessions and depressions are not all the same...the causes are not the same, the impact is not the same...the solutions are not the same.

The 1920 recession was driven by the conversion of the economy from a war time to a peace time one. Over a million men were demobilized and were unemployed. Automobile production dropped 60%...European agriculture had recovered and driven prices down..add to that the tighter monetary policy to combat inflation....The Fed increased the interest rate to 7% from 4.75%....

The recession of 1920 lasted until July of 1921. Harding was sworn into office in March of 1921....What did Harding do from March to July to end the recession? In May we had congress pass a tariff on agricultural products. The tax bill didn't pass until November.
The top marginal rate was reduced annually in four stages from 73% in 1921 to 25% in 1925. Unemployment peaked at 12% in 1921.

The federal budget was 18.4 billion in 1919....it was 6.3 billion in 1920, 5 billion in 1921 and 4 billion in 1922. Harding cut spending from 4 billion to 3.8 billion in 1923.

FDR took office in 1933. The unemployment rate was 25% and the depression was world wide. It was a depression before he took office.
Yeah. And the Dow jumped thousand points a week after the election two months before Trump takes the oath! Ever hear of a thing called "anticipation?"

Harding/Coolidge/Mellon Act. Lookitup.
 
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middleview

President
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Yeah. And the Dow jumped thousand points a week after the election two months before Trump takes the oath! Ever hear of a thing called "anticipation?"

Harding/Coolidge/Mellon Act. Lookitup.
I've posted facts...feel free to disagree, as long as you have facts to back you up....Harding didn't cut the budget by 50% and his tax cuts didn't end the recession...it was already over.
 

middleview

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FDR made himself a villian. What, you think we're supposed to have FOND memories of over a hundred thousands Japanese being rounded up and put into internment camps.

And we're supposed to CHEER FDR increasing our national debt by over 1,000%??????
1. The national debt increased substantially because we were at war. What would President Thinker have done?

2. Rounding up Japanese Americans was indeed a crime in our current frame of mind...At the time FDR had universal support from Congress....That is not the single most important event from 1933 to 1945...and yes, I think people who lived through the depression and WWII do have fond memories of FDR.
 
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