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I'm really getting sick and tired of the "Russia hacked the election" meme...

Boca

Governor
I'm really getting sick and tired of the "Russia hacked the election" meme

That's about as weak a statement as I think I've ever heard. It sounds uniquely political. They don't even claim in their statement to actually have any direct evidence. It's a supposition is all it is. In other words, there is no proof. And, until there is, I'm not buying it - at all!
It's a bit more than just political. It's borderline criminal. If you'll recall the Russians denied it, Assange denied it, his associate denied it and said he was handed the leaked emails by an "insider" in a Washington park.

Democrats and the media are pushing the meme so as to deflect the public's attention from the Washington murder of a DNC "insider" named Seth Rich who died in a late night "robbery" in which nothing was taken.
 

Raoul_Luke

I feel a bit lightheaded. Maybe you should drive.
Then let's release all the RCN emails as well. That way we can see if the Republicans are sweet smelling or if they have some "bigotry and distasteful emails" they'd prefer to keep under wraps as well. And let's have an independent committee investigate the Russian influence on the election. Since Comey saw fit to release the non-news emails of a non-Clinton owned computer right before the election, let's see where he got access to the emails and why. Let's also find out why he released no information about potential Russian involvement in Donald's campaign or the election even though the intelligence community knew about it before the election. Let's get it all out on the table. I'm willing to see what more they can find out about Clinton if you're willing to find out what can be seen about the RNC and Donald. This isn't like the birther thing Donald went on and on about when Obama was president. This actually has intelligence community support. Unless, of course, you think the entire intelligence community has been co-opted by the Democrats. That is some whole-scale conspiracy shit right there.
I'm all for that. But first I want to see the evidence that the "intelligence community" has that the Russians were involved. Based on the statement that was released, they have nothing but a supposition.
 

Raoul_Luke

I feel a bit lightheaded. Maybe you should drive.
It's a bit more than just political. It's borderline criminal. If you'll recall the Russians denied it, Assange denied it, his associate denied it and said he was handed the leaked emails by an "insider" in a Washington park.

Democrats and the media are pushing the meme so as to deflect the public's attention from the Washington murder of a DNC "insider" named Seth Rich who died in a late night "robbery" in which nothing was taken.
Yeah, it looks like ass-covering by the (politicized) Obama "intelligence community" - and, as you point out, the crime (as is typical in political intrigue) is entirely in this intel agency "cover-up."
 

JackDallas

Senator
Supporting Member
I'll doubt you'll find a single voter anywhere who'll tell you they switched their vote based on what they read in an email that the DNC did not want them to see. Absent that, it's obvious that what the Russians did or did not do had no bearing on the election, ergo, the election was not hacked.

The left, of course, is loathe to admit they lost because they had a horrible candidate. And so, they go with the lie - It makes them feel better. In this way, the absolve themselves of all blame for their failure, and it's easier for them to deal with. That's all good for the right - As long as the left remains in denial as to what the real problem is, they're not going to fix it.

So, sit back and enjoy the show.
I'm thinking that the revelation, that CNN had given some of its debate questions to the Clinton campaign, may have prompted some folks to go the other way. I don't know this, for a fact, but that one item was very damaging to Hillary, in my opinion.
I hope they remain in denial because I don't want it to be fixed. I want them to keep losing elections.
 

Zam-Zam

Senator
I'm thinking that the revelation, that CNN had given some of its debate questions to the Clinton campaign, may have prompted some folks to go the other way. I don't know this, for a fact, but that one item was very damaging to Hillary, in my opinion.
I hope they remain in denial because I don't want it to be fixed. I want them to keep losing elections.

They've lost quite a few of them:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1vrJo3OYWF96YuejPatLyxKhrGp4hLHorN6MGEvVMlNU/edit#gid=0

(All hacked by the Russians of course. There can be no other explanation).
 
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Arkady

President
Does anyone here have anything they can point to, besides this:

"The U.S. Intelligence Community (USIC) is confident that the Russian Government directed the recent compromises of e-mails from US persons and institutions, including from US political organizations. The recent disclosures of alleged hacked e-mails on sites like DCLeaks.com and WikiLeaks and by the Guccifer 2.0 online persona are consistent with the methods and motivations of Russian-directed efforts. These thefts and disclosures are intended to interfere with the US election process. Such activity is not new to Moscow—the Russians have used similar tactics and techniques across Europe and Eurasia, for example, to influence public opinion there. We believe, based on the scope and sensitivity of these efforts, that only Russia's senior-most officials could have authorized these activities."

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/onpolitics/2016/10/21/17-intelligence-agencies-russia-behind-hacking/92514592/

To prove the case? That's about as weak a statement as I think I've ever heard. It sounds uniquely political. They don't even claim in their statement to actually have any direct evidence. It's a supposition is all it is. In other words, there is no proof. And, until there is, I'm not buying it - at all!
Sorry, love, but you can't have your cake and eat it, too. You got your chosen leader partly on the basis of Russian interference, and the cost is people get to point out the Russian interference. Ironically, even Trump stopped claiming Russia didn't interfere -- presumably because he was shown the evidence we're not allowed to see of actual NSA wiretaps, etc., proving it.
 

Drumcollie

* See DC's list of Kook posters*
Does anyone here have anything they can point to, besides this:

"The U.S. Intelligence Community (USIC) is confident that the Russian Government directed the recent compromises of e-mails from US persons and institutions, including from US political organizations. The recent disclosures of alleged hacked e-mails on sites like DCLeaks.com and WikiLeaks and by the Guccifer 2.0 online persona are consistent with the methods and motivations of Russian-directed efforts. These thefts and disclosures are intended to interfere with the US election process. Such activity is not new to Moscow—the Russians have used similar tactics and techniques across Europe and Eurasia, for example, to influence public opinion there. We believe, based on the scope and sensitivity of these efforts, that only Russia's senior-most officials could have authorized these activities."

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/onpolitics/2016/10/21/17-intelligence-agencies-russia-behind-hacking/92514592/

To prove the case? That's about as weak a statement as I think I've ever heard. It sounds uniquely political. They don't even claim in their statement to actually have any direct evidence. It's a supposition is all it is. In other words, there is no proof. And, until there is, I'm not buying it - at all!

Its Russian for "Я проиграл выборы"...Arkady knows what that means.

It means "I lost the election."
 

Raoul_Luke

I feel a bit lightheaded. Maybe you should drive.
Sorry, love, but you can't have your cake and eat it, too. You got your chosen leader partly on the basis of Russian interference, and the cost is people get to point out the Russian interference. Ironically, even Trump stopped claiming Russia didn't interfere -- presumably because he was shown the evidence we're not allowed to see of actual NSA wiretaps, etc., proving it.
Then lay out the evidence. If you have something stronger than that BS supposition by Obama's politicized intel agency heads, I'd love to hear it. If not, all you've got is "we believe." And I don't...
 

Drumcollie

* See DC's list of Kook posters*
Sorry, love, but you can't have your cake and eat it, too. You got your chosen leader partly on the basis of Russian interference, and the cost is people get to point out the Russian interference. Ironically, even Trump stopped claiming Russia didn't interfere -- presumably because he was shown the evidence we're not allowed to see of actual NSA wiretaps, etc., proving it.
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Wrong as usual.
 

Raoul_Luke

I feel a bit lightheaded. Maybe you should drive.
Sorry, love, but you can't have your cake and eat it, too. You got your chosen leader partly on the basis of Russian interference, and the cost is people get to point out the Russian interference. Ironically, even Trump stopped claiming Russia didn't interfere -- presumably because he was shown the evidence we're not allowed to see of actual NSA wiretaps, etc., proving it.
And first off, I didn't vote for Trump, so he's not MY "chosen leader." Secondly, why would Trump say anything about it? It just feeds the trolls. And thirdly, the FACT that they said "we believe" - they's have said "we have proof that" the Russians were behind it.

All they have is some cookie crumbs from the hackers and they may well be Russian, or maybe they just spoofed that to throw the Feds off their trail. Who knows? I certainly don't think "we believe" suggests anything beyond that.
 

JackDallas

Senator
Supporting Member
Sorry, love, but you can't have your cake and eat it, too. You got your chosen leader partly on the basis of Russian interference, and the cost is people get to point out the Russian interference. Ironically, even Trump stopped claiming Russia didn't interfere -- presumably because he was shown the evidence we're not allowed to see of actual NSA wiretaps, etc., proving it.
This is why everyone thinks you're an idiot. The meme that the Russians interfered with our recent election, is a made-up, bullshit charge, put out by Liberals, and their ass-lickers in the media, because they cannot bear to admit they lost because they ran a lying criminal for president, who thought she could ride her name right into the Oval Office, without actually putting out any effort.
And now, idiots all over Liberal-land are all parroting the same bullshit lie, like it was the truth.
 

Arkady

President
Then lay out the evidence. If you have something stronger than that BS supposition by Obama's politicized intel agency heads, I'd love to hear it. If not, all you've got is "we believe." And I don't...
The evidence is that all the intelligence services have signed off officially saying it happened. I don't know whether they have under-cover people on the inside confirming it, or bugged offices where they recorded discussions of it, or what. But whatever the classified evidence is, it was enough to convince a lot of different groups that otherwise disagree.... and also to shut Trump up on it -- whatever he saw during the meeting, he went from denying it to changing the subject.
 

Arkady

President
And first off, I didn't vote for Trump, so he's not MY "chosen leader."
I'm not sure whether I believe that. You're just such a reliable toady for him.

Secondly, why would Trump say anything about it? It just feeds the trolls.
Oh yes, and the one thing we know Trump would NEVER do is "feed the trolls." heehehahahahaa

I certainly don't think "we believe" suggests anything beyond that.
It suggests they've seen enough evidence to cause them to believe it. And by "them" we don't just mean a single intelligence agency. We mean all of them.
 

Arkady

President
This is why everyone thinks you're an idiot.
As you're aware, the only people who think that are the dumbest members of the forum. It's universally acknowledged by the smart forum members that I'm smart. I know this makes you envious, because of the contempt you're held in by all decent people, but this is just something you need to learn to live with. If you're going to choose to act like a halfwit, you need to understand the result is that anyone with a brain is going to consider you a halfwit. If you don't like it, work on improving yourself. Good luck!
 

Raoul_Luke

I feel a bit lightheaded. Maybe you should drive.
The evidence is that all the intelligence services have signed off officially saying it happened. I don't know whether they have under-cover people on the inside confirming it, or bugged offices where they recorded discussions of it, or what. But whatever the classified evidence is, it was enough to convince a lot of different groups that otherwise disagree.... and also to shut Trump up on it -- whatever he saw during the meeting, he went from denying it to changing the subject.
No they didn't - two guys did (Clueless Clapper and Bumbling Jim Comey).
 
Americans have a choice

Believe the Russians and a guy who paid 25 million for defrauding college students

or

Believe America's intel agencies

hmmmmm, this one aint that hard
 
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