Queen Titania
Senator
Yes ------------ and the paint too.
The Grenfell tower fire was an accident even if gross negligence was involved
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Queen Titania
Senator
How can we know? Was it just for the colour? Or was it more sinister or did they really believe that the change would do no harm? That would not be unbelievable in today's mindset. How can we know? Some think it was purposeful others think is was gross neglect - We can't know but by past experience that Council are nasty bastards - the population of there want Councilor Paget-Brown's head -
The PM has called for a Public Inquiry but that will be a cover up ------ the residence are calling for a Public Inquest - that way, in a Coroner's Court with a jury, the families can ask their own questions and cross question witnesses - a Public Inquiry asks only its own questions and never gets to the truth -
The Fire Brigade talk to residents and visitors - yesterday they said that they had three tents full of body bags and have taken over 200 bodies out - official number is 58 I think ( in part because the Gov order is to keep the numbers of those killed by fire down = they have cut the Fire Brigade) - but if you listen to the Police spokesman he is saying that the only way the Police are counting the dead is by phone calls from the Public saying so and so is missing - thousands and thousands of phone calls which they cross check - Huh? Not many people seem to be picking this up, they don't listen anymore - but he is trying to tell us that his numbers are not the body count but some waste of time Gov cover up scheme -
A life time resident who has lost life long friends in the fire - I posted her video somewhere -
-she has found the actual point where goods go directly to the 'victims' - they are paid for by the victims - products on a shopping list in one small cupboard for about 20 families - none of the donations are getting to them and no one knows where they are - the center is given a list - they buy the products and then they are picked up and taken to a secret location ----------- that is understandable but .............
The [Unwelcome language removed] Red Cross are calling for donations for the 'London Fund' btw - they are not there - no one is - just the residents, they even had to find their own volenteer grief and trauma counselors -
And the politics !!!!!!!! The protest began at the Town Hall with calls for Paget-Brown. justice and answers and the truth and help ------------- they then decided to march on No 10 and somewhere around Oxford Circus the call for Justice and truth finished and turned into 'May Out' -
There is growing unrest and large movements but ---- even though everyone in the end is after the same thing - the divide is false but fueled by the media - and we are on the verge of bankruptcy -
Queen Titania
Senator
They have ruled out foul play - The building had been suffering massive power surges - lots of electrical appliances were broken because of them and the building was often dark - one man said that his fridge suddenly caught fire - 4th floor, 1st - 2nd floor of flats - his fridge was by the window and it was a warm night - the fire reached the cladding - If it had been the cladding which had been tested the fire would have travelled very very slowly and been contained to that one flat ------------- the wrong covering and it went up like a tinder box - in 1/2 an hour it had reached the top - it should not have reached the next flat in that time ------------- the smoke was toxic and black, the firemen say that the stairs were full of bodies - bodies everywhere, overcome by smoke. And only one staircase - no emergency lighting.
Queen Titania
Senator
In part - we all have to be energy efficient by 2020. That still does not excuse shoddy materials and workmanship --------- the renovation inside was horrific too and the fire brigade had to wait at one point because gas was leaking from pipes running up the walls next to the one stair case -
People who worked on this project and or for the contractors knew, some voiced their unrest - they are distraught.
Queen Titania
Senator
The Council ultimately but all those contracted were responsible for the safety of over 120 families -
They put a stop to Public Inquests for 7/7 - now they are closed and we have secret trials too
May has called for a Public Inquiry ( as though it was the residents demand ) but there can be no cross questioning and they take years - I did but most people just have not noticed this happening and when they suddenly do - they blame the Tories - This Gov did fu'ck up with their cuts for people with disabilities not because they are wicked but because by EU law all contracts have to be put out to tender in whole of the EU and an incompetent French company got the job - their incompetence has killed over 10 thousand disabled people - All of our Institutions and structures are gone but 'they' won't have it that it was the EU ---- Oh no it is always the Tories fault ------------- I don't like them either but they can only manage things as are and as are is a void.
Queen Titania
Senator
Actually Spam the influence of Wahhabism within large Muslim communities, their Saudi paid Mosques and schools and primitive preachers who do not speak English but preach a 7th century version of 'Submit/Islam' and ect is very very worrying as well as the Muslim Rape Gangs which have been allowed to carry on unchallenged for 30 years -------------- On their own Website, the group who liaise with politicians, councils and police boast they would sway the vote in 30 constituencies - MEND they call themselves ( recently had a name change due to IS connections) and it is run by an Azad Ali. Global research found that the block Muslim vote could sway the vote in 38 constituencies and the order went out that all Muslims must vote Labour, this time. The Corbyn cult insist it was the youth vote but noone is looking at the power that a mere 4% of our population have - nor that the 4% ( officially, Imams say double it) was 0% a mere 50 years ago.
But the Notting Hill area is cosmopolitan and has been for over 100 years - Until that bloody film, Notting Hill, it was left pretty much to itself, Notting Hill carnival and Portobello Market many many and various nationalities cafes, shops etc etc etc - but the film made it fashionable and they have been shoving out the poor - under Labour's New Deal carried on by this Gov - the whole area is being bulldozed and horrible characterless lux apartment blocks which will fall down in 10 years, according to builders ( workmen) so yes the word is neglect with bells on ----------- but 10 million ( spent on the building) is not neglect it has to be down to corruption of some sort - fraud -
Queen Titania
Senator
Watch the video - at about 12.00 the engineer explains the panels -
The tested panels had outer coating A and filling X.
Outer coating B is in the same classification as A - safety wise the highest grade.
They exchanged B for A in the panels on Grenfell
Outer coating B with filling X was never tested but because B was the same classification as A it was 'presumed' to be safe.
Legal? Maybe and maybe not but I suspect it will be a tedious and boring legal battle.
A safer filling would have cost just a few thousand pounds more but A coating X was found safe for high rise buildings.
ps One young man who lives there said that that same day 'The Suits' were down there - looking at the site - £££££££££££ you can't even imagine how much that land is worth. and all of the homes surrounding it have been evacuated - the people are sleeping on the floor of the sports center and do not know where they can live - they are not even being allowed to retrieve any possessions.
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Queen Titania
Senator
Spamature
President
If there is a group of any humans that follow a doctrine of just about any kind, you will have radicals and extremist to the cause among them. It just human nature. But by a large most people don't go down that route and live normal lives. Yet it's the extremist who end up defining the group.
People get carried away by popular culture and if there is money to be made from it, can you blame business interest from cashing in ? There are actual people who have organized tours of Compton Ca. because of the popularity of rap music. I really feel for the tourist who get suckered into something like that. Because there is nothing glamorous or even remotely interesting about a the place.
resident_evil
Senator
It is not a slim .5-3% who have beliefs that contravene Western values. The percentages are large and well documented for Muslims in the West and in their native lands. Islam is a supremacist ideology at its core that encompasses not only religion, but also legal and economic values that are often in direct opposition to Western values. It is a fact period.
Islam that is in any country which it is not dominating gives those who are in power nothing but constant violence and insurrection when they have reached a certain percentage of the over all population. THESE ARE FACTS. YOU CAN'T DISPUTE THEM. WAKE UP. STOP LYING TO YOURSELF AND OTHER PEOPLE.
We simply need to stop taking in more Muslim immigrants. There is nothing wrong with that.
Queen Titania
Senator
I don't think that most of us here define all Muslims as radicals ------------ but we are realizing that especially the young, which is 60% of the 4% ( officially 4% Imams are saying double it) have been radicalized and they hate us and our country - they are taught that we are animals and that young non muslim girls are 'easy meat' who can be used as sex slaves from the age of 9 - it is estimated that there have been one million child victims of these sex gangs over 30 years. That 4% are mainly concentrated in about 30 areas ------- I was talking to a friend yesterday, she came from Leicester - her Grandfather helped the first Muslims to build their first Mosque when they came about 40 years ago, they did try to integrate and were happy to be here - there was a street in Leicester called the Golden Mile which was exclusively Muslim shops - she hadn't been home for 15 years and went recently - she was so shocked - no more Golden Mile but a Golden City - it is totally and completely Muslim - almost every inch - her uncle ( son of the man who built the Mosque) is married to a Muslim woman - they live in terror, there house has been firebombed and they have threatened to chop her up into little pieces -------- Whole towns have been taken over and this 4% has happened in about 45 years ------- London is cosmopolitan and Londoners never travel to the rest of England - they go abroad for hols but never, or rarely visit anywhere here - they have no idea what is going on elsewhere - Muslim patrols on the streets - no go areas for the police - all in just over 40 years - and that hardly touches it Spam - we are an Island and not a very big one - more crowded than India with at least 250,000 illegals ( Muslims) coming in every year, there are 30,000 radical Wahhabis under surveillance and 400 IS fighters known to have returned who no one seems to know where they are - 200 in London who the Major says he has no idea where they are ----------- anyone tries to tell it s it is and they are persecuted. vilified, imprisoned, families threatened because the politicos are so afraid of Muslim riots - that the Imams rule this land already - It is one law for tem and another for the rest of us -
Lol ------------- Nah you don't get either England or London.
Queen Titania
Senator
Islam was forced on people by the sword ------------ on the highest spiritual level it is a religion of peace but that is a hard philosophy to grasp, an intellectual challenge, which few can fathom ----------- as is, taken literally it is a religion of war = it begins with peace and ends in violence. And it was written as an answer to Christianity -
The only countries which could cope with Islam were politically secular the Ba'athists but even they had to be firm because in the mix is culture and tribe - we are too soft to be able to cope with especially the most extreme forms of and cultures with Islam as their religion --------- we are Kafirs as well as Goyim and on the whole those who rule are not on our side - and I don't mean politicians, they are as helpless as we are.
Your 'snowflakes' as our southern urbanites have no idea what they are flirting with but they have been manipulated into thinking we are racist rather than protectionist.
Spamature
President
Because you say so ? Because that percentage sounds fishy as f*** and poorly defined. Please provide supporting information.
resident_evil
Senator
You need to do your own research and come to your own conclusions. This is just one of those things.
Spamature
President
I assumed you did yours and would share it.
resident_evil
Senator
Not this time. I've decided for you to earn it instead. You might believe your own research and it might be more indelible.
Poseidon Atlantis
Mayor
there is no "Corbyn Cult " stop pushing your silly agenda
read today London are evacuating 1000's in middle of night from other building like the one that burnt........poor people and evidently nowhere to go?
http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/‘this-is-appalling’-evacuated-london-residents-try-to-cope/ar-BBD7awH?li=BBmkt5R&ocid=spartandhp
http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/‘this-is-appalling’-evacuated-london-residents-try-to-cope/ar-BBD7awH?li=BBmkt5R&ocid=spartandhp
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Poseidon Atlantis
Mayor
Very Lazy posting , this is not 1000s in London , this is an article about ALL England.
London is one city , but Birmingham , Portsmouth and many other cities are affected. The Numbers Nationwide may run to 1000s but this issue refers to England not London alone.
Poseidon Atlantis
Mayor
It is now claimed that the number that died has been underplayed by the authorities , one resident has said that because or Ramadam there were 40 people in one flat alone . IF the authorities can drag their feet long enough the figure need not be released until the Parliamentary recess when the newspapers go the sleep for the summer . When Parliament resumes it will be old news.
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