This is how our Gov't is screwing the American citizen

while also hiding and enabling - illegal immigration.

The IRS knows of - 1.4 MILLION people - who are working under stolen SSN's. Another 2.4 file under TIN's - which are NOT eligible for work...and the IRS does not investigate these people -and they are prohibited from giving the info to DHS thus allowing and enabling these criminals illegally working in this country to continue to do so. Not only are they working against the law but in the cases of many of these situation where they use a SSN to file I-9's but then get a W2 issued in a TIN - they are committing perjury and identity theft.

It is not a victimless crime. Individual's whose SSN's are used - often get notices of additional tax due - YEARS after the actual returns are filed. That is how behind and incompetent the IRS is. So when you do get a notice it comes with tens of thousands of dollars of penalties and interest- things that they IRS will lien and attach garnishments to collect from you a debt that you don't even owe. Manytimes, too they will use a kid's SSN - which means that a parent can get the dependent exemption for a kid - and thus affect a whole other host of calculations - when that kid has too much earned income... and again -that notice comes YEARs after the fact taking hours, and tens of thousands of dollars many times to fix. And they know they do it - and they do little to nothing about it. They don't punish the people stealing the identities - and they don't punish the employers - and do not report this activity to other law enforcement agencies who would.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/jun/22/14-million-illegals-working-stolen-social-security/

Incredible...

Thank you for sharing

Well, there you have it. Liberals love parasites. The article you posted will only get them more excited about bringing in yet even more parasites- who coincidentally, voter overwhelmingly Democrat.

The Thinker said:

Well, there you have it. Liberals love parasites. The article you posted will only get them more excited about bringing in yet even more parasites- who coincidentally, voter overwhelmingly Democrat.

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I think that every employer should be fined 10,000 for every W2 or 1099 they issue to a fraudulent SSN. I think that the law needs to be revised to allow employers to not hire people who they have any reason to believe - are faking their I-9 paperwork. I think e-verify needs to be mandatory for each employer. And failure to use it - should result in a 10K fine per instance. Including the use of 1099 contractors. I think that you must be a US citizen or have a green card - to open any LLC or corporation in your name. The IRS should automatically reject any request for Fed ID number for a business - whose owners are not legal residents with green cards. Special rules can be done for out of country owners of stock - and publicly traded companies - obviously as they can be owned by anyone but not "worked".

These simple rules - would practically eliminate illegal immigration and cause a huge exodus.. but our Gov't won' do that... and even within the Gov't - they are working against even making people follow the laws that exist. Its sickening.

connieb said:

It is not a victimless crime. Individual's whose SSN's are used - often get notices of additional tax due - YEARS after the actual returns are filed.

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Can you provide a little more detail on how victims can OWE taxes if someone else has been paying into their SS account?

georgephillip said:

Can you provide a little more detail on how victims can OWE taxes if someone else has been paying into their SS account?

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First of all - there are no SS accounts. There are not little individual accounts where your little store of money goes into. It goes into one big pot. You may get a share of that - based on your income brackets - which one extra W2 over 40 years of wage earning, is not going to make a hill of beans difference. But, I digress.

The taxes you owe though , are Income taxes, George. Income taxes. If I file a tax return and I say I make 50K. And the IRS processes my return and all is hunky Doory but two years later they get around to matching up W2's and find out that my SSN - not even my name has to be used, my SSN is enough but my SSN was used on a W2 - they send me a notice and say - hey - you didn't report 50K in income on this W2 - from this company in this other alias of yours. Of course, its not my W2, nor is it my alias, nor was it my income, but they match it by SSN. Not name, because people are so fvkcing stupid they actually don't even know or use their actual legal names most of the time.. but I digress.

So the IRS says - "hey.. no worries.. we changed your tax return from 2015 - to say you made 100K, not 50K... and oh... by the way.. you owe us income tax on all that money because your second job didn't withhold any... and oh.. by the way.. you know those exemptions you got, and maybe a few credits - well now you don't get them because you made too much money. So, you owe us income taxes on that extra 50K ( which put you in a higher bracket) . Plus you don't get credits you got - so you owe us those back, plus a penalty for under payment, interest on the tax you owed for the last few years.. and OH YEAH - you also owe an accuracy penalty - because all that income you left off the return resulted in more than a 20% increase in the taxes you owed us. "

"So, um.. here pay up - you have two weeks or we will start to garnish you.., hit your credit report, maybe lien your bank accounts and property, etc." Oh and to add insult to injury - they go back and tell your state - hey state - here is a W2 you missed for this guy - so you can owe them, too.


Meanwhile over at the SSA the money that was "paid in" was not for you. It doesn't go into any special account for you. You would at MOST get credit for income. - that would go into the overall lifetime earnings calculation. BUT that doesn't even happen - why? Because the SSA will not give you credit unless everything matches EXACTLY in their records. So any money they get under an SSN that doesn't match -never actually makes it as recorded income against a person's account. Which is why they send you a little letter every few years so that if any W2s of yours didn't make in for credit - you can fix it.

The IRS and SSA - don't talk.

So, back that the IRS they are perusing you - harshly for a bunch of taxes and penalties you don't owe. And heaven forbid you ignore a notice because you thought it was a scam or fake because of course you don't owe more money. Or you moved and the forwarding has expired.. You may not find out until the next time you go to file your tax return and they seize your refund, or you run your credit report - or suddenly your bank account is empty.

THAT is how it affects normal people. EVENTUALLY after hours and hours and tens of thousands of dollars in professional fees - you will likely get them to drop the extra income and associated penalties and interest from your return. But they will not compensate you for any of the time or professionals that worked on your behalf or other costs you incurred. I don't know about in your neck of the woods - but an attorney in mine runs you around $350 per hour, an Tax Accountant around $250 - 300. It takes about 20 - 40 hours of a professionals time to fix this. You know many people who make 50K or so, got 6 - 10K laying around to pay an attorney because some illegal used their SSN? What do you think happens to that person, when their credit is fvcked because they have a garnishment for a tax levy - and their money is seized - or they get a wage garnishment and they can't pay their rent or utility or their car payment? You think that Equifax goes back of their own free will and says - "Oh my bad, let me just fix this - so you don't pay twice as much in interest rate, and so you can pass employer background checks...."

These things have real implications for real people and is very serious.. SMH at freaking lefties who think - its all good - cause SSA got a few extra thousand into their kitty... Jesus Christ.. the amount of crap you all DON'T UNDERSTAND about how the world actually works is fvcking mind boggling.

connie

connieb said:

These things have real implications for real people and is very serious.. SMH at freaking lefties who think - its all good - cause SSA got a few extra thousand into their kitty... Jesus Christ.. the amount of crap you all DON'T UNDERSTAND about how the world actually works is fvcking mind boggling.

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I agree.
There is a great deal about taxes and ID theft those on the left don't grasp. Thanks for clearing up some of my confusion.