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Cogent Kelly couches condolence call correctly...

Hmmmm

Mayor
did he [Unwelcome language removed] it up, or did a bludgeoning congressperson say he f'ed it up? or, would the recipient have blown it out into a political fiasco, absent the surreptitiously listening congressperson?
I think he fvcked up. Many others do as well. Trump has not been very good at sounding like a caring human being. He continually accounts for the vast majority of his bad press.

The congress person may have had her own fvck up by bringing it up to the public. Different issue. I don't know what the widow thought or wanted.
 

PhilFish

Administrator
Staff member
Yep. He started this shitstorm with unfounded criticism of BHO and GWB instead of simply answering a question about his own conduct. This is entirely of his own making.
well, no... the congresswoman started the shitstorm..
 

bdtex

Administrator
Staff member
no, though we dont know precisely how those words were delivered, .. other than by the congresspersons expressed disagreement with them..

here's some words of his...to use perhaps as a barometer...

http://dailycaller.com/2017/10/20/gold-star-widow-releases-trumps-call-after-husband-was-killed-in-afghanistan/
Although she was not there,the widow's mother confirmed the conversation. I can only assume that she spoke with her daughter first. I would hope so anyway.
 

PhilFish

Administrator
Staff member
I think he fvcked up. Many others do as well. Trump has not been very good at sounding like a caring human being. He continually accounts for the vast majority of his bad press.

The congress person may have had her own fvck up by bringing it up to the public. Different issue. I don't know what the widow thought or wanted.
I dont know what the widow wanted either. but apparently the congresswoman decided for her..

trum may have, or may not have..

here's one we do have... how does he sound here?
http://dailycaller.com/2017/10/20/gold-star-widow-releases-trumps-call-after-husband-was-killed-in-afghanistan/
 

Craig

Senator
Supporting Member
you figure he would have in this instance, absent eh congresswomans elevation...?
He did.

Begin at the beginning...

Washington (CNN)Chief of Staff John Kelly told President Donald Trump that President Barack Obama never called him after his son's death prior to Trump raising the issue in a Tuesday radio interview, multiple White House officials told CNN.

But, according to these sources, Kelly never thought the President would use that information publicly...

http://www.cnn.com/2017/10/18/politics/donald-trump-john-kelly-obama-phone-call/index.html

Are you outraged?
 

Hmmmm

Mayor
I dont know what the widow wanted either. but apparently the congresswoman decided for her..
You don't know what the widow wanted but claim the congresswoman decided for her. How do you know that?

I concede that her performance has not been stellar but the real problem is Trump. He could have came back with a heartfelt reply that made the congresswoman look petty and rude. But oh no, Trump had to be Trump. He made the awkward statement to the widow (only he denies it others refuse to do so),and others present have confirmed it. He then threw gas on the flames with his typical bravado.

Any president gets criticized by opposition on a regular basis. Trump then has to puff out his chest and turn these criticisms into full-blown media situations.

A single or even a couple of instances don't undermine my statement about not being very good at it. It is also an opinion of mine and there is no absolute answer. Do you truly think he comes across as a caring human being? George HW. Bush, Ronald Regan, Obama, George W. Bush, all did. Clinton put on a good mask.
 

PhilFish

Administrator
Staff member
He did.

Begin at the beginning...

Washington (CNN)Chief of Staff John Kelly told President Donald Trump that President Barack Obama never called him after his son's death prior to Trump raising the issue in a Tuesday radio interview, multiple White House officials told CNN.

But, according to these sources, Kelly never thought the President would use that information publicly...

http://www.cnn.com/2017/10/18/politics/donald-trump-john-kelly-obama-phone-call/index.html

Are you outraged?
i'm not sure.. what does that have to do with the call we are discussing here..?
 

PhilFish

Administrator
Staff member
You don't know what the widow wanted but claim the congresswoman decided for her. How do you know that?

I concede that her performance has not been stellar but the real problem is Trump. He could have came back with a heartfelt reply that made the congresswoman look petty and rude. But oh no, Trump had to be Trump. He made the awkward statement to the widow (only he denies it others refuse to do so),and others present have confirmed it. He then threw gas on the flames with his typical bravado.

Any president gets criticized by opposition on a regular basis. Trump then has to puff out his chest and turn these criticisms into full-blown media situations.



A single or even a couple of instances don't undermine my statement about not being very good at it. It is also an opinion of mine and there is no absolute answer. Do you truly think he comes across as a caring human being?

perhaps i am mistaken, her political grandstanding may have been entirely of her own volition..
 

Bugsy McGurk

President
Imagine a slightly screwy-headed Republican Congressman using a "dead soldier" against Barack Obama after the extension of a presidential sympathy call.
Think there'd be an outcry against him?
No need to imagine. Remember Benghazi?

The GOP ran endless investigations using dead soldiers against Obama.
 

Dino

Russian Asset
No need to imagine. Remember Benghazi?

The GOP ran endless investigations using dead soldiers against Obama.
Whoa.
I didn't know that the Benghazi scandal was over a sympathy phone call. I always thought there was something more to that story.
So you're back doing your apples to orange comparison trials again. Good luck!
 

Bugsy McGurk

President
Whoa.
I didn't know that the Benghazi scandal was over a sympathy phone call. I always thought there was something more to that story.
So you're back doing your apples to orange comparison trials again. Good luck!
You quibble.

Did the GOP gleefully use dead soldiers as a political football against Obama and Hillary? You betcha. Endlessly.

BTW, the GOP did use Hillary's sympathy call to the family of a Benghazi victim as a political football, claiming that Hillary lied to the family.
 
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