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Why not Teflon Bill, Teflon Hill or Teflon Obie?

Days

Commentator
Can you prove that someone in the US sold the Russians enriched uranium?

The Russian bought the rights to a uranium mine....you don't get enriched uranium out of a mine..you get raw uranium.

The Yars RS-24 missile was first tested in 2007. Deployment was completed in 2010. The sale of the mine happened in 2010 and no uranium has been exported without a license and to my knowledge they do not have one.
Deployment was completed in 2010? I think it was ongoing. The deployment along the border, sure, but those missiles are also launched by Russian subs. And the RS-24 Yars was only one of the new icbm systems being built. The other is still under development and should be ready in 2018. So, yes, the biggest nuclear arms program of the 21st Century... by far. So they needed more Uranium.

Russia was deconstructing their old nukes and sending the Plutonium to Japan to be burned in a mox mix with Uranium. It isn't much of a stretch to say they would have needed more Uranium to build these two new huge programs. If the FBI investigated these sales, they were no doubt involved in tracking the espionage and the illegal sale of enriched Uranium. But you want to pretend nothing illegal was happening, so let me ask you then, why would the FBI investigate if nothing illegal was happening?
 

Dawg

President
Supporting Member
Neither of those right wing hate screeds alleged an indictment, much less a conviction.

You lose again.

;-)
Negative
Obama lost..........

while pissin' on Constitution and boy supposedly taught Constitutional law :)
 

maverickldr

Council Member
Well, duh, of course Obama received higher ratings! He was a rug! AND he looked to the new world order for resolving his righteous indignation over US history. I'll take a lion over a lemon any day.


Most of the people I spoke to were from the UK, Australia, Canada and Italy. A few from South American countries and quite a few from the US...(it was a cruise ship).

1. Obama's popularity in other countries was very high.
2. Trump's popularity is in every nation on the planet is in the toilet, except for Israel and Russia...

 

maverickldr

Council Member
I'll just leave this here: https://wikileaks.org/plusd/cables/09STATE85588_a.html

Deployment was completed in 2010? I think it was ongoing. The deployment along the border, sure, but those missiles are also launched by Russian subs. And the RS-24 Yars was only one of the new icbm systems being built. The other is still under development and should be ready in 2018. So, yes, the biggest nuclear arms program of the 21st Century... by far. So they needed more Uranium.

Russia was deconstructing their old nukes and sending the Plutonium to Japan to be burned in a mox mix with Uranium. It isn't much of a stretch to say they would have needed more Uranium to build these two new huge programs. If the FBI investigated these sales, they were no doubt involved in tracking the espionage and the illegal sale of enriched Uranium. But you want to pretend nothing illegal was happening, so let me ask you then, why would the FBI investigate if nothing illegal was happening?
 

Days

Commentator
So there's the sample for their testing... and why deliver a sample? Yeah, it went down, obviously, like I said, they built the nukes, so they got delivery.

from your Link...

Background: Over two years ago Russia requested a ten-gram sample of highly enriched uranium (HEU) seized in early 2006 in Georgia during a nuclear smuggling sting operation involving one Russian national and several Georgian accomplices. The seized HEU was transferred to U.S. custody and is being held at a secure DOE facility. In response to the Russian request, the Georgian Government authorized the United States to share a sample of the material with the Russians for forensic analysis. Director Mueller previously planned to deliver the sample in April (Ref A), but due to a scheduling conflict the trip was canceled. Embassy Moscow LegAtt informed the FSB prior to Mueller's intended April delivery and received confirmation that the FSB would take custody of the sample after the Director's plane landed. EST Moscow also informed Rosatom of the planned transfer and that the U.S. placed a high priority on completing this transfer (Ref B). Once the LegAtt told FSB counterparts the April trip had been canceled, Ambassador Beyrle informed Igor Neverov (Ref C), who said that he understood but was disappointed the trip was postponed. The September 21 visit provides again an opportunity to deliver the requested ten-gram sample from the seized HEU in order to obtain cooperation from the GOR on this nuclear smuggling case and to eventually establish a more productive mechanism of U.S.-Russian cooperation on nuclear forensics. 3. (S/NF) While there was a reasonable exchange of information with Russian security services at the time of the 2006 seizure, we have had poor cooperation investigating the diversion of HEU, which the United States believes was stolen from a Russian facility. Russia did not respond to papers that then Acting U/S Rood provided Deputy Foreign Minister Ryabkov in December 2008 reiterating the USG position that Russia should pick up this sample in the United States. Further, when asked for an update on their response to our proposal, Ryabkov told us in early 2009 in Washington that there was an interagency dispute over who would come and pick up the material. 4. (S/NF) Given Russia's reluctance to act so far, FBI Mueller's delivery of this sample will underscore to Russia our commitment to follow through on this case. While some details related to the sharing of information on smuggling networks may be too sensitive to discuss, delivery of the sample could enable us to discuss whether Russian authorities investigated the diversion and prosecuted anyone. Moreover, we hope it will spark discussions on mechanisms to exchange information and material on future incidents of this nature, particularly in light of the commitments made in the July summit U.S.-Russia Joint Statement on Nuclear Cooperation regarding strengthening our cooperation to stop acts of nuclear terrorism. Posts should note that DOE/NNSA's April 2009 determination authorizing distribution of the sample to the Russian Federation only for attribution of the sample in support of a criminal investigation is applicable to the proposed September 21 delivery of the sample to Russia. 5. (S/Rel Russia) Background con't: On April 16, the FSB verbally confirmed to Legatt that we will have no problem with the Russian Ministry of Aviation concerning Mueller's flight (although we probably won't see paperwork until shortly before the trip). The FBI is requiring that the sample be turned over to a Russian law enforcement authority (i.e., FSB) as opposed to an intelligence service (i.e., SVR) or technical authority (i.e., Rosatom). A representative from the responsible Russian Law Enforcement authority, who will accept custody of the sample, must be identified and verified ahead of time. That individual will be required to have signatory authority to accept the sample. Appropriate arrangements need to be made to ensure the transfer of material is conducted at the airport, plane-side, upon arrival of the Director's aircraft. Post should also remind the GOR that this is the material about which the GOR gave the USG nonproliferation assurances in 2008 in a diplomatic note from February 2008 (Ref D). 6. (S/Rel Russia) Action request: Embassy Moscow is requested to alert at the highest appropriate level the Russian Federation that FBI Director Mueller plans to deliver the HEU sample once he arrives to Moscow on September 21. Post is requested to convey information in paragraph 5 with regard to chain of custody, and to request details on Russian Federation's plan for picking up the material. Embassy is also requested to reconfirm the April 16 understanding from the FSB verbally that we will have no problem with the Russian Ministry of Aviation concerning Mueller's September 21 flight clearance. 7. (S/Rel Russia) Post is requested to deliver the following talking points: --We wish to inform you that FBI Director Mueller plans to arrive in Moscow on the evening of September 21 with a ten-gram sample of seized HEU, which you requested for nuclear forensics analysis. --We regret that the April visit by Director Mueller could not take place due to a scheduling conflict. We would be grateful once again for the Russian Federation's willingness to receive the sample and facilitate the logistics for its pick up. --As before, we require confirmation that a representative from a responsible Russian law enforcement authority will be available to accept custody of the sample and have signatory authority to accept the sample. --We require that the transfer of this material be conducted at the airport, on the tarmac near by the plane, upon arrival of the Director's aircraft. --We place a high priority on completion of this sample transfer to facilitate your forensic analysis of the material. --Further, with the delivery of this sample, we hope to collaborate more closely on promoting a more effective relationship between our law enforcement organizations to counter illicit trafficking of nuclear materials. --In particular, such efforts were underscored in the July Summit joint presidential statement on nuclear cooperation regarding our commitments to strengthen cooperation to stop acts of nuclear terrorism. Securing vulnerable nuclear materials and improving nuclear security within our two countries is our highest priority. -- It is our hope to eventually establish a more systematic mechanism to facilitate U.S.-Russian cooperation on investigations into nuclear smuggling cases. We continue to believe that Russia should be concerned by the prospect that HEU was diverted from one of its facilities, and should actively investigate the incident.
 

Days

Commentator
So there's the sample for their testing... and why deliver a sample? Yeah, it went down, obviously, like I said, they built the nukes, so they got delivery.

from your Link...

Background: Over two years ago Russia requested a ten-gram sample of highly enriched uranium (HEU) seized in early 2006 in Georgia during a nuclear smuggling sting operation involving one Russian national and several Georgian accomplices. The seized HEU was transferred to U.S. custody and is being held at a secure DOE facility. In response to the Russian request, the Georgian Government authorized the United States to share a sample of the material with the Russians for forensic analysis. Director Mueller previously planned to deliver the sample in April (Ref A), but due to a scheduling conflict the trip was canceled. Embassy Moscow LegAtt informed the FSB prior to Mueller's intended April delivery and received confirmation that the FSB would take custody of the sample after the Director's plane landed. EST Moscow also informed Rosatom of the planned transfer and that the U.S. placed a high priority on completing this transfer (Ref B). Once the LegAtt told FSB counterparts the April trip had been canceled, Ambassador Beyrle informed Igor Neverov (Ref C), who said that he understood but was disappointed the trip was postponed. The September 21 visit provides again an opportunity to deliver the requested ten-gram sample from the seized HEU in order to obtain cooperation from the GOR on this nuclear smuggling case and to eventually establish a more productive mechanism of U.S.-Russian cooperation on nuclear forensics. 3. (S/NF) While there was a reasonable exchange of information with Russian security services at the time of the 2006 seizure, we have had poor cooperation investigating the diversion of HEU, which the United States believes was stolen from a Russian facility. Russia did not respond to papers that then Acting U/S Rood provided Deputy Foreign Minister Ryabkov in December 2008 reiterating the USG position that Russia should pick up this sample in the United States. Further, when asked for an update on their response to our proposal, Ryabkov told us in early 2009 in Washington that there was an interagency dispute over who would come and pick up the material. 4. (S/NF) Given Russia's reluctance to act so far, FBI Mueller's delivery of this sample will underscore to Russia our commitment to follow through on this case. While some details related to the sharing of information on smuggling networks may be too sensitive to discuss, delivery of the sample could enable us to discuss whether Russian authorities investigated the diversion and prosecuted anyone. Moreover, we hope it will spark discussions on mechanisms to exchange information and material on future incidents of this nature, particularly in light of the commitments made in the July summit U.S.-Russia Joint Statement on Nuclear Cooperation regarding strengthening our cooperation to stop acts of nuclear terrorism. Posts should note that DOE/NNSA's April 2009 determination authorizing distribution of the sample to the Russian Federation only for attribution of the sample in support of a criminal investigation is applicable to the proposed September 21 delivery of the sample to Russia. 5. (S/Rel Russia) Background con't: On April 16, the FSB verbally confirmed to Legatt that we will have no problem with the Russian Ministry of Aviation concerning Mueller's flight (although we probably won't see paperwork until shortly before the trip). The FBI is requiring that the sample be turned over to a Russian law enforcement authority (i.e., FSB) as opposed to an intelligence service (i.e., SVR) or technical authority (i.e., Rosatom). A representative from the responsible Russian Law Enforcement authority, who will accept custody of the sample, must be identified and verified ahead of time. That individual will be required to have signatory authority to accept the sample. Appropriate arrangements need to be made to ensure the transfer of material is conducted at the airport, plane-side, upon arrival of the Director's aircraft. Post should also remind the GOR that this is the material about which the GOR gave the USG nonproliferation assurances in 2008 in a diplomatic note from February 2008 (Ref D). 6. (S/Rel Russia) Action request: Embassy Moscow is requested to alert at the highest appropriate level the Russian Federation that FBI Director Mueller plans to deliver the HEU sample once he arrives to Moscow on September 21. Post is requested to convey information in paragraph 5 with regard to chain of custody, and to request details on Russian Federation's plan for picking up the material. Embassy is also requested to reconfirm the April 16 understanding from the FSB verbally that we will have no problem with the Russian Ministry of Aviation concerning Mueller's September 21 flight clearance. 7. (S/Rel Russia) Post is requested to deliver the following talking points: --We wish to inform you that FBI Director Mueller plans to arrive in Moscow on the evening of September 21 with a ten-gram sample of seized HEU, which you requested for nuclear forensics analysis. --We regret that the April visit by Director Mueller could not take place due to a scheduling conflict. We would be grateful once again for the Russian Federation's willingness to receive the sample and facilitate the logistics for its pick up. --As before, we require confirmation that a representative from a responsible Russian law enforcement authority will be available to accept custody of the sample and have signatory authority to accept the sample. --We require that the transfer of this material be conducted at the airport, on the tarmac near by the plane, upon arrival of the Director's aircraft. --We place a high priority on completion of this sample transfer to facilitate your forensic analysis of the material. --Further, with the delivery of this sample, we hope to collaborate more closely on promoting a more effective relationship between our law enforcement organizations to counter illicit trafficking of nuclear materials. --In particular, such efforts were underscored in the July Summit joint presidential statement on nuclear cooperation regarding our commitments to strengthen cooperation to stop acts of nuclear terrorism. Securing vulnerable nuclear materials and improving nuclear security within our two countries is our highest priority. -- It is our hope to eventually establish a more systematic mechanism to facilitate U.S.-Russian cooperation on investigations into nuclear smuggling cases. We continue to believe that Russia should be concerned by the prospect that HEU was diverted from one of its facilities, and should actively investigate the incident.
Let me explain this for the simple of heart, not that anyone in this forum really needs to be enlightened, but just in case...

So, if I want to deliver a 10 gram sample of Highly Enriched Uranium to the Russians, how would I do that? Easy peasy, we just have the FBI seize the sample from some Russians smuggling it into America ("hey Frank, this morning you are a Russian smuggler, we'll bust at the train station, okay? - Sure, what am I smuggling? - a 10 gram sample of HEU - wtf? it better be sealed properly - just get going") ... and then "return" the sample to the Russians.
 

JackDallas

Senator
Supporting Member
Most of the people I spoke to were from the UK, Australia, Canada and Italy. A few from South American countries and quite a few from the US...(it was a cruise ship).

1. Obama's popularity in other countries was very high.
2. Trump's popularity is in every nation on the planet is in the toilet, except for Israel and Russia...

A phony chart? Come on, MV, that is Sooooo Arkady. So you meet a bunch of swelled-head Limeys, South American elitists and American Liberals on vacation, who don't like Trump and you extrapolate that to universal dislike of the American President.
I would be ashamed to post the silly shit you just posted.
 

Dawg

President
Supporting Member
A phony chart? Come on, MV, that is Sooooo Arkady. So you meet a bunch of swelled-head Limeys, South American elitists and American Liberals on vacation, who don't like Trump and you extrapolate that to universal dislike of the American President.
I would be ashamed to post the silly shit you just posted.
posted he pays his son $12@hour to manage his fast food joint while claiming he's traveling abroad........LMAO

IMO...whole screed was a lie, unless he did as Edwards and traveled while wife dying!!!
 

Bugsy McGurk

President
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