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Brazile sheds some light on the Seth Rich Murder

Raoul_Luke

I feel a bit lightheaded. Maybe you should drive.
Official word? Wow...Just go with that. You clearly don't have a clue as to what you are talking about and there is no "official word" to back you up...and even Trump has admitted as much. Feel free to condemn people who have served the country for years. After all, they said nasty stuff about the Trump family.
I'll take that as your concession that there is in fact, no indication whatsoever that the US authorities were provided copies of the server backup files, activity logs, anything other than the report prepared by Crowdstrike. THAT is why I am sticking to my conclusion that there is no "there there." If the Russians hacked that server and downloaded those email files, either in their original form or compressed into a zip file, the NSA could confirm precisely when it happened and precisely where the file(s) went. The fact that there is no indication that it was done tells me it likely was, and there is no record of an outside hack, so they shit canned it and went with the Crowdstrike "analysis." No examination of the server was necessary...
 

middleview

President
Supporting Member
I'll take that as your concession that there is in fact, no indication whatsoever that the US authorities were provided copies of the server backup files, activity logs, anything other than the report prepared by Crowdstrike. THAT is why I am sticking to my conclusion that there is no "there there." If the Russians hacked that server and downloaded those email files, either in their original form or compressed into a zip file, the NSA could confirm precisely when it happened and precisely where the file(s) went. The fact that there is no indication that it was done tells me it likely was, and there is no record of an outside hack, so they shit canned it and went with the Crowdstrike "analysis." No examination of the server was necessary...
Great fictional writing.

You do not know what information the FBI obtained from CrowdStrike...
 

Raoul_Luke

I feel a bit lightheaded. Maybe you should drive.
My boss is from Ukraine. His family lives in Kiev. They hate Putin.

Your defense of RT is hilarious. No, the media is not bought and paid for by the US government, as RT is. Clearly FOX is as much pro-RNC as MSNBC is pro-DNC.
It isn't the same to claim that RT is as corrupt as Putin is. CBS/NBC and ABC do not meddle in Russian politics like RT does here. Let me know if US media has TV stations in Moscow....RT certainly has broadcast stations in the US.

How much does RT pay ya?
Corrupt cronies of Poroshenko, by any chance?

https://www.kyivpost.com/ukraine-politics/survey-shows-poroshenko-not-supported-73-ukrainians-cabinet-79-parliament-87.html

I didn't say they like Putin, just that they aren't all that anti-Russia:

In addition, Ukrainian attitudes towards Russia are improving, according to a recent survey by the Kyiv International Institute of Sociology. In fact, more Ukrainians now view Russia positively than negatively for the first time since the war began.

Before the war, from 2008 to 2013, the number of Ukrainians who had a “very positive or mostly positive” attitude towards Russia fluctuated between 80 and 90 percent. This number dropped significantly for the first time to 52 percent in April 2014, and then hit an all-time low of 30 percent in May 2015. Since then, however, the number of Ukrainians with positive attitudes towards Russia has been slowly climbing, and as of May 2017 it stands at 44 percent, with just 37 percent holding a negative attitude.

“I think those who answer ‘positively’ think of Russia as simply Russian people – their friends, their relatives and not the Russian government,” said Anton Hrushetsky of the Kyiv International Institute of Sociology, who carried out the research.


http://www.ukrweekly.com/uwwp/criticism-shifts-to-ukraines-authorities-while-russias-war-in-the-east-continues/
 

middleview

President
Supporting Member
I'll take that as your concession that there is in fact, no indication whatsoever that the US authorities were provided copies of the server backup files, activity logs, anything other than the report prepared by Crowdstrike. THAT is why I am sticking to my conclusion that there is no "there there." If the Russians hacked that server and downloaded those email files, either in their original form or compressed into a zip file, the NSA could confirm precisely when it happened and precisely where the file(s) went. The fact that there is no indication that it was done tells me it likely was, and there is no record of an outside hack, so they shit canned it and went with the Crowdstrike "analysis." No examination of the server was necessary...
FYI
https://www.us-cert.gov/sites/default/files/publications/JAR_16-20296A_GRIZZLY STEPPE-2016-1229.pdf
 

Raoul_Luke

I feel a bit lightheaded. Maybe you should drive.
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Raoul_Luke

I feel a bit lightheaded. Maybe you should drive.
Where have I ever denied that Russia has in fact hacked US political and government computer systems? That would be a stupid, and false, assertion. Maybe you can quote the passage in there where is says that US intelligence operatives have conclusive proof those Kremlin linked hackers took the DNC emails. I'm not saying "Cozy Bear" wasn't in there, just that they weren't there looking for information that they intended to use to help Trump win the election. See, this is how political hacks operate - they conflate a factual situation, such as that Russians hack into our systems all the time, with the propaganda that they were behind the DNC email dump and post to keep Hillary from winning the election. I don't fall for that bs...
 

middleview

President
Supporting Member
Corrupt cronies of Poroshenko, by any chance?

https://www.kyivpost.com/ukraine-politics/survey-shows-poroshenko-not-supported-73-ukrainians-cabinet-79-parliament-87.html

I didn't say they like Putin, just that they aren't all that anti-Russia:

In addition, Ukrainian attitudes towards Russia are improving, according to a recent survey by the Kyiv International Institute of Sociology. In fact, more Ukrainians now view Russia positively than negatively for the first time since the war began.

Before the war, from 2008 to 2013, the number of Ukrainians who had a “very positive or mostly positive” attitude towards Russia fluctuated between 80 and 90 percent. This number dropped significantly for the first time to 52 percent in April 2014, and then hit an all-time low of 30 percent in May 2015. Since then, however, the number of Ukrainians with positive attitudes towards Russia has been slowly climbing, and as of May 2017 it stands at 44 percent, with just 37 percent holding a negative attitude.

“I think those who answer ‘positively’ think of Russia as simply Russian people – their friends, their relatives and not the Russian government,” said Anton Hrushetsky of the Kyiv International Institute of Sociology, who carried out the research.


http://www.ukrweekly.com/uwwp/criticism-shifts-to-ukraines-authorities-while-russias-war-in-the-east-continues/

Russian troops in Eastern Ukraine and anyone who blamed Putin for the violence there must be a crony of Poroshenko....and you must be a paid RT blogger.
 

Raoul_Luke

I feel a bit lightheaded. Maybe you should drive.
Russian troops in Eastern Ukraine and anyone who blamed Putin for the violence there must be a crony of Poroshenko....and you must be a paid RT blogger.
All I know is that I talk to people who aren't from Kiev, and aren't wealthy (or connected to the US puppet regime), and while they want the war to end, they don't want to sever ties with Russia. By the way, Eastern Ukraine is more Russian than it is Ukrainian. And considering the mess Obama's one world government puppet Poroshenko has made of the place, I don't blame them for wanting to get onto the Russian side of the border...
 
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Boca

Governor
She's an insider folks.... And when she heard about what happened her first impulse was to fear for her life.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-11-04/donna-brazile-says-she-feared-her-life-after-seth-rich-was-killed

Jo
More light shedding from an ER surgeon that night. Obviously not reported

This is what Anonymous said:

  • Seth Rich was shot twice in the back.
  • He sustained a “small injury” to his liver and “several small bowel injuries” — none of which was fatal.
  • He was taken to the operating room, where his injuries were treated.
  • He was then moved to ICU (Intensive Care Unit) where he received blood transfusion. He was stable, his blood pressure normal.
  • 8 hours after Rich arrived at the hospital, the place “swarmed” with law enforcement officers. Everyone, except the attending physician and a few nurses, was kicked out of the ICU. There were no visiting hours, which is abnormal for ICU.
  • That morning, Anonymous and the other doctors were instructed not to make rounds (visits) on “the VIP that came in last night” (Seth Rich).
  • When Rich died, no one other than the attending physician was allowed to see him. There was no code alert or call for a cardiopulmonary resuscitationteam. Although Anonymous was with a patient in the next room, he/she was blocked from attending to Rich.
  • At the time, Anonymous couldn’t understand why the patient Rich was treated that way and thought the whole thing to be “fishy”. Later, when he found out that the patient was Seth Rich, Anonymous “was terrified”
Who wouldn't be terrified? I suspect now that Hillary is too.
 

EatTheRich

President
I have no idea what point you are trying to make here. All I can see is an example of good economic policies, when coupled with bad currency policies, not being destined to produce economic prosperity. And I'm not sure you are getting good information here, as you'll have to show the work behind the suggestion that we have experienced "cutbacks in social services." The whole dismal dynamic you are lamenting here is driven by the unsustainable growth in government spending that arises from an empire's inevitable quest to maintain its international power through military strength at the same time it is attempting to placate the masses with ever more (prosperity destroying) wealth redistribution. At some point in that process, sound money becomes inconsistent with the self serving goals of the messianic elites in government, who become convinced that it is THEY who are the font of all prosperity throughout the empire, rather than the private sector wealth creators whose good money they keep throwing after bad in an endless quest to prove themselves correct, thereby driving the real wealth creators to, well, create less wealth to be confiscated and squandered by the political and bureaucratic class intent on using it to promote the cruel illusion that it is they, and not the private sector, that is "creating" wealth, rather than merely "redistributing" it. Eventually, the "consuming" outstrips the "production," making it impossible to maintain the sound money peg; and, at that point, the whole crapload starts swirling around in the bowl, until economic gravity completes the economic flushing process.
It is not an illusion that state subsidies, state management, and the welfare state are crucial to making profits possible under conditions of capitalist decay caused by the failure of the free-market system on its own terms; it is reality.
 

EatTheRich

President
Funny thing. You prefer Assange's explanation and yet if Assange was a responsible human being he would tell us whether or not Seth Rich was his source. Instead he hints at it and that looks more like he is using the murder of Rich to distract from his real source.

No. Calling it an act of war is not talking about going to war. It is a warning to the Russians to think twice about their interference in US politics.

How many times has Kim Jong Un used the phrase "act of war"? When the US held joint military training exercises with the South Koreans it was an act of war. When the US flew B1 bombers up and down the coast, it was an act of war. When the North Koreans seized the Pueblo it was an act of war.
And N. Korea is in fact at war with the U.S. ... and American liberals are risking eat with Russia to overturn the election.
 

EatTheRich

President
1. What do you think the RT dispute shows? RT was set up by one of Putin's appointees in government. It is supported with government payments. It is the propaganda wing of the Kremlin./

2. Kim Jong Un does not have the power to throw a nuke at the US. Have you looked on a map lately? He could easily strike US forces in Japan, Taiwan, South Korea or Diego Garcia.

I'm against unnecessary war. Standing up to Putin's expansion into Eastern Ukraine was the right thing to do. I guess you'd have waited until Russian tanks rolled into Kiev or maybe Warsaw.

So now you are off finding some other US source for the DNC hack...is that because you just really like Vlad and don't want his feelings hurt?
Sanctions were an escalation that played into the hands of Putin' aggression.
 

Boca

Governor
I don't think many of us understand how deeply organized crime influences our legitimate economy,

Catherine Austin Fitts is a lifelong Republican who explains it as well as anyone I know of:

"In the summer of 2000, I asked a group of 100 people at a conference of spiritually committed people who would push a red button if it would immediately stop all narcotics trafficking in their neighborhood, city, state and country.

"Out of 100 people, 99 said they would not push such red button.

"When surveyed, they said they did not want their mutual funds to go down if the U.S. financial system suddenly stopped attracting an estimated $500 billion-$1 trillion a year in global money laundering. :eek:

"They did not want their government checks jeopardized or their taxes raised because of resulting problems financing the federal government deficit.

"Our financial profiteering and complicity is not limited to aristocrats and the elites who do their bidding.

"Our financial dependency on unsustainable economics is broad, ingrained and deep.

https://solari.com/blog/the-red-button-problem/
1 out of 100? Total bullshit! Either that or it was a conference of spiritually committed dealers from Juarez.
 

Boca

Governor
yes, she expressed her feelings.. that she was afraid for her life.

Have you ever known a person casually through work or as another acquaintance that dies either violently and under suspicious circumstances? I have. You know what I did NOT think upon hearing about their manner of death.. I did not think about it being in any way something that would make me afraid of my own life. I ask you honestly - do you REALLY think that finding out a co-worker was mugged and shot would lead most people who weren't knee deep into some pretty shady doo doo.. to think that their lives were somehow also at risk? Do you really think that is rational train of thought for people who are on the up and up and living their lives by doing the right things?
Good point.


What say to a poll of 1000 randomly selected folks posing this question.

How many people of your acquaintance, either friend, co-worker, associate, competitor,
or have had personal contact with in the last 5 years have died either by suicide, unnatural or unknown causes?

0 - 1
2-10
11-20
21-30
31-40
41-50
 
1 out of 100? Total bullshit! Either that or it was a conference of spiritually committed dealers from Juarez.
More likely a conference of educated investors instead of blind partisan hacks.

The author of this link is a life-long Republican who lost her life's savings fighting to reveal the complicity between government and organized crime.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catherine_Austin_Fitts#Background


"Fitts served as managing director and member of the board of directors of the Wall Street investment bank Dillon, Read & Co. Inc., as Assistant Secretary of Housing and Federal Housing[2]Commissioner at the United States Department of Housing and Urban Development in the first Bush Administration, and was the president of Hamilton Securities Group, Inc., an investment bank and financial software developer.[3]

"Fitts has a BA from the University of Pennsylvania, an MBA from the Wharton School and studied Mandarin at the Chinese University of Hong Kong.

See also[edit]"

"Joe Camel: Camel cigarettes were a leading RJR brand. If the European Union is to be believed, Camel cigarettes are also a valued currency serving global mafia."

http://dunwalke.com/3_RJR_Nabisco.htm


"If you like spy novels, you will find that the European Union’s presentation of fact to be far more fascinating than fiction.

"One of the complaints filed in the case describes a rich RJR history of business with Latin American drug cartels, Italian and Russian mafia, and Saddam Hussein’s family to name a few. The Introduction reads as follows..."
 

Boca

Governor
Great fictional writing.

You do not know what information the FBI obtained from CrowdStrike...
The point being made was that the FBI obtained no information from the DNC who refused to turnover the server for forensic analysis (obstruction of justice) And a trusting James Comey accepted whatever the DNC Client CrowdStrike concluded. Moreover, in a tangential corruption scandal, as Mueller's successor - he who investigated the Uranium One financial crimes - Comey colluded with Loretta Lynch to keep that information from Congress.

How's that for an investigating? Add to that Comey drafting papers exonerating Clinton before witnesses were heard. If I'm not mistaken that was perjury.
 

middleview

President
Supporting Member
The point being made was that the FBI obtained no information from the DNC who refused to turnover the server for forensic analysis (obstruction of justice) And a trusting James Comey accepted whatever the DNC Client CrowdStrike concluded. Moreover, in a tangential corruption scandal, as Mueller's successor - he who investigated the Uranium One financial crimes - Comey colluded with Loretta Lynch to keep that information from Congress.

How's that for an investigating? Add to that Comey drafting papers exonerating Clinton before witnesses were heard. If I'm not mistaken that was perjury.
Just keep making shit up, Boca. I'm sure someone will believe you.:rolleyes:
 

middleview

President
Supporting Member
Good point.


What say to a poll of 1000 randomly selected folks posing this question.

How many people of your acquaintance, either friend, co-worker, associate, competitor,
or have had personal contact with in the last 5 years have died either by suicide, unnatural or unknown causes?

0 - 1
2-10
11-20
21-30
31-40
41-50
Hmmm, I know one who died "mysteriously" in her own bed.
Another who disappeared "mysteriously" from his sailboat at sea. The boat was never found.
A young man who "may" have killed himself with a handgun in his bedroom...
A woman who died of a "mysterious" drug overdose.
Two relatives who died in the same hospital, weeks apart. Supposedly in the hospital for minor issues.
A healthy and athletic man who supposedly fell from a roof.
Two people who died in a helicopter crash in perfect weather.
A young man who is supposed to have died from a mysterious heart problem...no autopsy.
A man found in the parking lot at work, in his car....no autopsy. No cause of death listed.
A police officer I'd come in contact with several times....suspiciously shot by another cop during a chase down a dark alley.
A couple killed in their car when a mysterious object fell from the sky on their car.

A middle aged man found dead in his apartment. Blood was everywhere, no sign of forced entry and apartment was locked from the inside. He appeared to have been scalped and had been dead for nearly a week. Neighbors called the police because of the smell. No autopsy.

A young man who disappeared from a ship in mid-pacific at night in calm seas. Search did not turn up any trace.
 
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Boca

Governor
Hmmm, I know one who died "mysteriously" in her own bed.
Another who disappeared "mysteriously" from his sailboat at sea. The boat was never found.
A young man who "may" have killed himself with a handgun in his bedroom...
A woman who died of a "mysterious" drug overdose.
Two relatives who died in the same hospital, weeks apart. Supposedly in the hospital for minor issues.
A healthy and athletic man who supposedly fell from a roof.
Two people who died in a helicopter crash in perfect weather.
A young man who is supposed to have died from a mysterious heart problem...no autopsy.
A man found in the parking lot at work, in his car....no autopsy. No cause of death listed.
A police officer I'd come in contact with several times....suspiciously shot by another cop during a chase down a dark alley.
A couple killed in their car when a mysterious object fell from the sky on their car.

A middle aged man found dead in his apartment. Blood was everywhere, no sign of forced entry and apartment was locked from the inside. He appeared to have been scalped and had been dead for nearly a week. Neighbors called the police because of the smell. No autopsy.

A young man who disappeared from a ship in mid-pacific at night in calm seas. Search did not turn up any trace.


Wow....people should avoid you....I rather think many do.
 

Raoul_Luke

I feel a bit lightheaded. Maybe you should drive.
It is not an illusion that state subsidies, state management, and the welfare state are crucial to making profits possible under conditions of capitalist decay caused by the failure of the free-market system on its own terms; it is reality.
Then why is it that the socialcrats on the left (and the fascist neocons on the right) are the ones who put most of it into place?
 
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