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Trump's Alleged Rape

EatTheRich

President
Alleged accusations are worthless.
This is true and was proven when several women alleged that Bill Clinton groped, fondled, and/ or raped them. Hillary called them terrible names and the public sentiment was that it didn't matter. There was proof of what Clinton did in at least one case..........still didn't matter.

So whatever anyone says Trump did.......... doesn't matter unless there is incontrovertible proof.
Alleged accusations are worthless.
This is true and was proven when several women alleged that Bill Clinton groped, fondled, and/ or raped them. Hillary called them terrible names and the public sentiment was that it didn't matter. There was proof of what Clinton did in at least one case..........still didn't matter.

So whatever anyone says Trump did.......... doesn't matter unless there is incontrovertible proof.
"Proof of what Clinton did"?
 

Arkady

President
No, it's my well honed sense of logic. If Clinton was really "only" going there to raise money for his "charity" he would have only done it once (and upon his return to US soil gone straight to the authorities).
Why? If Clinton went there, saw nothing suggesting illegal activity, and got a check for a charity, why wouldn't he have gone back to the well? Charity fundraisers regularly contact past donors again and again for additional donations. I'm pretty generous and am constantly pestered by those I've given money to in the past.

I have no illusions about the legality of his "relationship" with Lewinsky, I just have none about what it says about his moral fiber. Look, I give Bill Clinton credit for being an incredibly effective political leader, as I do Jack Kennedy, who also was a f*cking dirt bag abuser of vulnerable young women who suffered the misfortune of entering his private orbit.
Lewinsky has never suggested she was abused -- even with the benefit of two decades of hindsight. Why second-guess her that way?

But if this was a legitimate case, why haven't charges been filed?
One possibility is that the two women made up the rape allegation. But another one is that it really happened, but by the time the victim got over her fear of the death threat, there was no hope of having enough hard evidence to get over the very high threshold of proving guilt beyond a reasonable doubt to a unanimous jury, so the victim was discouraged from bringing criminal charges and instead focusing on the civil charges (where the standard is the lower "preponderance of the evidence" charge, and rules about evidence admissibility are looser).
 
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Arkady

President
Alleged accusations are worthless.
Conservatives thought such allegations had great value for a couple decades, when they relied on them to label Clinton a groper, harasser, rapist, etc. Now they're reconsidering, when the same thinking is used against one of their own.

There was proof of what Clinton did in at least one case
There was never any proof that Clinton engaged in any predatory sexual behavior. What there was were mostly rumors -- claims that weren't even supported by sworn testimony, much less hard evidence. In the case of Jones, there was sworn testimony, but nothing else, and the testimony was undermined by her attempt to bolster it by identifying unusual characteristics of Clinton's genitals -- characteristics that ended up not being true. The other major claim against him was the Broaddrick rape rumor, but Broaddrick herself swore under oath that it was false, so there's nothing there.

In Trump's case, nothing has been proven, but several of the claims are stronger than the he-said/she-said hearsay accusations against Clinton.

(1) The child rape allegation is supported by two separate pieces of sworn testimony -- the testimony of the alleged victim, and corroborating testimony by an alleged witness.

(2) The testimony that he raped his wife is, likewise, supported by sworn testimony of the alleged victim.

(3) The claims that he forcibly kissed women inappropriately is supported by his own bragging on tape that he can't resist kissing beautiful women.

(4) The claims that he grabbed women's genitals is supported by his own bragging on tape that when you're a celebrity they let you do that.

(5) The claims by several women that he ogled while they were changing back-stage of beauty pageants is supported by his own bragging on tape that he goes back-stage at beauty pageants to look at the contestants while they're changing.

It's possible for a person to believe, rationally, that the evidence against Clinton isn't strong enough to assume him guilty, but that the evidence against Trump is. What isn't possible is for a person to rationally believe the opposite. If you're so quick to make assumptions of wrongdoing that you'll do so based on extremely shaky evidence, in the case of Clinton, then the case against Trump should easily pass that threshold.
 

Arkady

President
Blue dress.
The blue dress only supports the idea that he had a sexual relationship. Since both people in that relationship characterized it as fully consensual, that has no place in a discussion of an alleged rape.
 

Dawg

President
Supporting Member
The blue dress only supports the idea that he had a sexual relationship. Since both people in that relationship characterized it as fully consensual, that has no place in a discussion of an alleged rape.
so you can get a blow job with a secretary 27 years younger than you under your desk and it's consensual so NO problem............hell,,,,,,,,,tell us more counselor :)
 

Dawg

President
Supporting Member
Oh, I thought you were talking about nonconsensual groping, raping, or fondling ... not consensual sexual activity between two adults.
You'll never have an employee to have under your desk............the book store you work at should have all the details of the women Slick molested and raped..........check out the book 'He paid her $850,000'.................geeeeeeeeeeezus what cave you been in?
 

NinaS

Senator
Supporting Member
I don't know how "TURE" it is, but it sounds like it may well be TURE. I hadn't heard about this scandal, but if it's TURE, Schumer should be made accountable. I would think that if it's Ture, Liberals will call for him to resign. That's the way they are...UNLIKE GOP (the party of Goofy old Perverts) who think it's okay for a young girl to be molested.

I did notice that your 'site' while condemning Schumer, down-played the horrible accusation against that crazy Roy Moore...so I will withhold my judgment until I read further about it.
 

Arkady

President
so you can get a blow job with a secretary 27 years younger than you under your desk and it's consensual so NO problem
Yes, of course you can. If the secretary is of legal age (Lewinsky was 22, meeting every definition of legal age), and mentally competent to provide meaningful consent (she wasn't drunk or mentally disabled or anything like that), then if she says it's OK, then from a legal perspective it's consensual. You, personally, may not like the relationship, and that's fine. Nobody is forcing you to get a blow job if you don't want one. But your sexual hang-ups are your own business, and ought not be used to characterized someone else's willing relationship as non-consensual.
 

Dawg

President
Supporting Member
I don't know how "TURE" it is, but it sounds like it may well be TURE. I hadn't heard about this scandal, but if it's TURE, Schumer should be made accountable. I would think that if it's Ture, Liberals will call for him to resign. That's the way they are...UNLIKE GOP (the party of Goofy old Perverts) who think it's okay for a young girl to be molested.

I did notice that your 'site' while condemning Schumer, down-played the horrible accusation against that crazy Roy Moore...so I will withhold my judgment until I read further about it.
Yes, "if it's Ture, Liberals will call for him to resign" (since you so enjoy yapping at r's when they misspell)

Yes, I remember well liberals calling for Teddy Kennedy to resign when he drowned the young girl after cabin party and drunk and when Bill Clinton molested all them women and got a female intern to get under his desk and give hem a blow job, YEP, isn't that "ture"?

You should hold your judgement until learned if "True"


Matthew 7:1-3King James Version (KJV)
7 Judge not, that ye be not judged.

2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.

3 And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?

King James Version (KJV)
Public Domain

good day
 

NinaS

Senator
Supporting Member
Yes, "if it's Ture, Liberals will call for him to resign" (since you so enjoy yapping at r's when they misspell)

Yes, I remember well liberals calling for Teddy Kennedy to resign when he drowned the young girl after cabin party and drunk and when Bill Clinton molested all them women and got a female intern to get under his desk and give hem a blow job, YEP, isn't that "ture"?

You should hold your judgement until learned if "True"


Matthew 7:1-3King James Version (KJV)
7 Judge not, that ye be not judged.

2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.

3 And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?

King James Version (KJV)
Public Domain

good day
WOW...the hot old Biker quoting from the bible. LOLOL You live in a dream world.
 

Dawg

President
Supporting Member
WOW...the hot old Biker quoting from the bible. LOLOL You live in a dream world.
Ever heard of Rolling Thunder.............not all bikers are sinners, I'm sure you don't realize that and so miserable you've never ask for forgiveness of sins.

I damn sure don't wish to live in you miserable world.

As Julie and YOU, bashing Christians is the liberal game
 

NinaS

Senator
Supporting Member
Ever heard of Rolling Thunder.............not all bikers are sinners, I'm sure you don't realize that and so miserable you've never ask for forgiveness of sins.

I damn sure don't wish to live in you miserable world.

As Julie bashing Christians is the liberal game
One day you're posting about "banging" women and the next day you quote from the bible. Give it up. I don't think you're either a bible beater or a 'hot' fornicator. Just an old man with a big imagination.
 

Dawg

President
Supporting Member
Yes, of course you can. If the secretary is of legal age (Lewinsky was 22, meeting every definition of legal age), and mentally competent to provide meaningful consent (she wasn't drunk or mentally disabled or anything like that), then if she says it's OK, then from a legal perspective it's consensual. You, personally, may not like the relationship, and that's fine. Nobody is forcing you to get a blow job if you don't want one. But your sexual hang-ups are your own business, and ought not be used to characterized someone else's willing relationship as non-consensual.
Figured you support employers having sex with employees and school teachers with students..........not surprised in the least.
 

Dawg

President
Supporting Member
One day you're posting about "banging" women and the next day you quote from the bible. Give it up. I don't think you're either a bible beater or a 'hot' fornicator. Just an old man with a big imagination.
Yes it's fun showing hypocrites they are hypocrites.

I'm a sinner, we all are, some as you and I more than others, I've "banged" women from coast to coast and glad do see Bible verses scare you. I could care less what you think, I know the truth and I've lived a great life full of fun and sin unlike you have. Your life is one big imagination.

I think your pony looks better than you.
 

Arkady

President
Figured you support employers having sex with employees and school teachers with students..........not surprised in the least.
The question was consent. I can object to something for reasons other than consent. But when you have a relationship between two people who both tell you it's consensual, and they're both mentally competent adults, then it's consensual.
 
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