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resident_evil

resident_evil

Senator
EatTheRich said:
Chiang Kai-shek killed a million noncombatants. Syngman Rhee killed 200,000. Suharto killed 600,000.



McCarthy, of course, was openly a nationalist ... i.e., someone who put the collective that is the state ahead of the individual. He claimed to model his politics on that of Francisco Franco, which of course also makes him a fascist ... therefore, again, a statist. Franco killed 200,000 or so noncombatants. McCarthy didn't kill anyone only because he was defeated before he got the chance.

Mass killings in a factory setting are quite typical of fascism and Stalinism ... not of communism, which is based on respect for human dignity and rights.
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A couple more points.

First, your numbers for murders I haven't been able to corroborate? Second, the examples you give are also not conservatives of the individual over the collective type I've been promoting.
 
resident_evil

resident_evil

Senator
EatTheRich said:
I can't guarantee it ... achievement is a political and social question ... whether we can voluntarily all work on a large scale for a better world, or whether we can't. But I think we should try, starting with small-scale efforts like the Mayflower Compact, moving on to bigger conquests like the Cuban mass literacy campaign ... learning as we go from the mistakes made along the way ... and I feel like I hear you saying we should be satisfied with what we have, and deport anyone who isn't.
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Achievement is an individual effort that at best should be fostered but not manufactured by the state. Cuba is an un-democratic system and what little it does accomplish it does at the confinement of the individual's free will and intellectual freedom.

Latin America at one time had high literacy rates of well over 90% because Spanish is an easy language to master. So Cuba really didn't accomplish all that much per se in that specific regard.

I say deport those who would drag us down the rabbit hole with them. The hole that is central planning. Central planning that is mediocrity in all but in the art of murdering.
 
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EatTheRich

President
resident_evil said:
2) Nowhere has communism ever fit its ideal, nowhere.
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Communism isn't an ideal. It is based on no schema or blueprint for a perfect society. Communism is the movement that advances the concrete interests of the international working class, whatever they may be at a particular strategic juncture based on the best scientific theory available at the time. According to Marx's theory, which predicted the historical course of the 19th century better than any rival theories of political economy and philosophy of history, and according to those who've advanced on his theory in the 20th century, communism holds out the hope of eventually abolishing poverty, economic exploitation, coercive government, and war.

Thus far, the international communist movement, although it has achieved much in the face of the most violent resistance any political movement has ever faced, has fallen far short of this goal. But there is a difference between falling short of it, while making concrete progress toward it--as with the governments of Lenin and Castro--and joining up with the violent anti-communists while still claiming the counterfeit mantle of communism--as with the governments of Stalin and Mao. If Marx is right, and I think he is, Lenin and Castro are the flawed heroes who are heralding the promise of a new age, while Stalin and Mao represent the desperate attempts to resurrect the old regime.
 
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EatTheRich

President
resident_evil said:
A couple more points.

First, your numbers for murders I haven't been able to corroborate? Second, the examples you give are also not conservatives of the individual over the collective type I've been promoting.
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First, the numbers are from Wikipedia, common estimates by American academics. Feel free to quibble.
Second, "Conservatives of the individual over the collective type" is precisely the sort of regulative ideal, bearing no relationship to the actual political practice of conservatives, that communism is not. Name one successful conservative politician who has not sacrificed individuals for the interests of the state, the ruling class, the family, or the church, or one conservative philosopher who has not endorsed politicians who practiced such sacrifice?
 
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EatTheRich

President
resident_evil said:
Achievement is an individual effort that at best should be fostered but not manufactured by the state. Cuba is an un-democratic system and what little it does accomplish it does at the confinement of the individual's free will and intellectual freedom.

Latin America at one time had high literacy rates of well over 90% because Spanish is an easy language to master. So Cuba really didn't accomplish all that much per se in that specific regard.

I say deport those who would drag us down the rabbit hole with them. The hole that is central planning. Central planning that is mediocrity in all but in the art of murdering.
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Cuba is the most democratic country in the world, and Che Guevara wrote an entire book (Socialism and Man in Cuba) with concrete examples of how Cuba's system fosters individual freedom in a way capitalist society does not.
1/5 of Cubans including 1/3 of Cuban women were illiterate before the revolution. Not by choice, but because they were deprived by capitalism of the ability to read. Today, Cuba's literacy rate is 96%, higher than any other Latin American country. Cuba also has more people with advanced degrees per capita than the U.S., and more women in particular.
Central planning is an inevitability in the modern, vertically integrated, complex economy. The only question is central planning by whom? By a democratically elected government? By irresponsible bureaucrats and union bosses? Or by the unelected boards of for-profit economic trusts?
 
Constitutional Sheepdog

Constitutional Sheepdog

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EatTheRich said:
Cuba is the most democratic country in the world, and Che Guevara wrote an entire book (Socialism and Man in Cuba) with concrete examples of how Cuba's system fosters individual freedom in a way capitalist society does not.
1/5 of Cubans including 1/3 of Cuban women were illiterate before the revolution. Not by choice, but because they were deprived by capitalism of the ability to read. Today, Cuba's literacy rate is 96%, higher than any other Latin American country. Cuba also has more people with advanced degrees per capita than the U.S., and more women in particular.
Central planning is an inevitability in the modern, vertically integrated, complex economy. The only question is central planning by whom? By a democratically elected government? By irresponsible bureaucrats and union bosses? Or by the unelected boards of for-profit economic trusts?
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lol you are insane
 
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