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Six more families sue Alex Jones over his Newtown lies

Dawg

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A girl can dream.
I'm certain that every single "responsible gun owner" would have no problem with the local constable knowing exactly what number and kinds of weapons they owned.
"a girl"

when one buys a gun the gun is registered

a old woman needs educate herself
 

middleview

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Supporting Member
A girl can dream.
I'm certain that every single "responsible gun owner" would have no problem with the local constable knowing exactly what number and kinds of weapons they owned.
There are enough people who would see that as the beginning of confiscation that it would kill any attempt at other less stringent measures.

I'm also not sure that registration would have prevented any of the recent mass killings.

One idea I'd floated before was an Ammunition Purchase License. The APL itself would have your picture on it, created when you passed your first background check, and encoded on the card would be all weapons and calibers of those weapons...in essence, those are the kinds of ammunition you can buy. There would be no database of APL's issued and no way to track it back to an individual. If you sold your gun then the serial number on your card is erased and copied to the buyer. If you buy a new gun the APL is updated.

A record would be kept of the APL card number and amount of ammo purchased. It would provide a red flag for someone buying up thousands of rounds of ammunition, like the shooter in Las Vegas. It would also tend to put a crimp in the activities of those who have never passed a background check, but still have guns.

It would have the added advantage of helping track down stolen guns. Anyone trying to register the gun on their APL to buy ammo for it would be caught.

I'd doubt there would be enough support for something as complicated as that....but it still would be better than what we have and would still not require registration.
 

Fins

Fray Terror
never bought one without back ground checked and serial numbers recorded

actually point was girl......
The serial number is not recorded. When you go in and fill out the paperwork, the dealer calls the ATF for them to run a background check. He gives them your name and address, and ss# if you agree. The only information the ATF is given about the gun is if it is a handgun, long gun, or other. Other is some new classification that’s been added. The paperwork then stays in the dealer’s records until he goes out of business. At that point he has to box up the records and ship them to the ATF.

If the police recover a firearm in a crime, they call the manufacturer, the manufacturer tells them the distributor it was shipped to, the distributor then can tell them the dealer it went to, and the dealer can tell them the customer it was sold to.

Some states do have registration, like NY and CA. But I don’t think it’s ever helped solve a crime.
 

Fins

Fray Terror
A girl can dream.
I'm certain that every single "responsible gun owner" would have no problem with the local constable knowing exactly what number and kinds of weapons they owned.
I have a huge problem with it. I have a problem with the government knowing anything I have. Be it money, cars, or the big copper still I have in the basement. But some things there aren’t any options. I’m not giving in on firearm registration
 

Dawg

President
Supporting Member
The serial number is not recorded. When you go in and fill out the paperwork, the dealer calls the ATF for them to run a background check. He gives them your name and address, and ss# if you agree. The only information the ATF is given about the gun is if it is a handgun, long gun, or other. Other is some new classification that’s been added. The paperwork then stays in the dealer’s records until he goes out of business. At that point he has to box up the records and ship them to the ATF.

If the police recover a firearm in a crime, they call the manufacturer, the manufacturer tells them the distributor it was shipped to, the distributor then can tell them the dealer it went to, and the dealer can tell them the customer it was sold to.

Some states do have registration, like NY and CA. But I don’t think it’s ever helped solve a crime.
I always thought they sent it to ATF, thx for info
 

JuliefromOhio

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Supporting Member
There are enough people who would see that as the beginning of confiscation that it would kill any attempt at other less stringent measures.

I'm also not sure that registration would have prevented any of the recent mass killings.

One idea I'd floated before was an Ammunition Purchase License. The APL itself would have your picture on it, created when you passed your first background check, and encoded on the card would be all weapons and calibers of those weapons...in essence, those are the kinds of ammunition you can buy. There would be no database of APL's issued and no way to track it back to an individual. If you sold your gun then the serial number on your card is erased and copied to the buyer. If you buy a new gun the APL is updated.

A record would be kept of the APL card number and amount of ammo purchased. It would provide a red flag for someone buying up thousands of rounds of ammunition, like the shooter in Las Vegas. It would also tend to put a crimp in the activities of those who have never passed a background check, but still have guns.

It would have the added advantage of helping track down stolen guns. Anyone trying to register the gun on their APL to buy ammo for it would be caught.

I'd doubt there would be enough support for something as complicated as that....but it still would be better than what we have and would still not require registration.
And Chris Rock joked (maybe it wasn't a joke) that bullets should cost $5,000 a piece.

I see where you're going with basically needing a license to purchase ammo. The same can easily apply to the weapon itself. New ones being registered at time of purchase. Gun owners given a 6 month window to register their old guns.

I don't like the worry over how gun owners would react especially when it seems to be mostly about protecting the paranoids who believe they need guns to fight the government. That's nuts.

If owning a gun is a right, no need to be sneaky about it. Businesses and government pretty much know everything you own by the product number.
 

middleview

President
Supporting Member
And Chris Rock joked (maybe it wasn't a joke) that bullets should cost $5,000 a piece.

I see where you're going with basically needing a license to purchase ammo. The same can easily apply to the weapon itself. New ones being registered at time of purchase. Gun owners given a 6 month window to register their old guns.

I don't like the worry over how gun owners would react especially when it seems to be mostly about protecting the paranoids who believe they need guns to fight the government. That's nuts.

If owning a gun is a right, no need to be sneaky about it. Businesses and government pretty much know everything you own by the product number.
the difference between what i sggested and registration is that with an apl the actual record is in the hands of the gun owner, not the government.
 

JuliefromOhio

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I have a huge problem with it. I have a problem with the government knowing anything I have. Be it money, cars, or the big copper still I have in the basement. But some things there aren’t any options. I’m not giving in on firearm registration
Hey, living off the grid or living in someone's basement is all the rage, isn't it? You can have all the moonshine and guns your heart desires. Maybe there's even a mail order bride out there who'd join you.
 

middleview

President
Supporting Member
Well, we disagree. I think it should be in the hands of the govt....like NICS.
I have yet to understand how registration can help prevent crime. The goal should be preventing ex-cons and psychiatric patients from getting guns. Colorado attempted to pass a "red flag" rule that a family member or law enforcement could get a court order to confiscate guns and place someone under psychiatric care if they appear to be dangerous...Once again it was killed by the "slipper slope" folks who were told in ads that you'd have strangers getting red flag orders to confiscate guns, ignoring the facts of the bill.
 

Dawg

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Supporting Member
Hey, living off the grid or living in someone's basement is all the rage, isn't it? You can have all the moonshine and guns your heart desires. Maybe there's even a mail order bride out there who'd join you.
evidently, you've had no luck with mail-order
 

JuliefromOhio

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Supporting Member
I have yet to understand how registration can help prevent crime. The goal should be preventing ex-cons and psychiatric patients from getting guns. Colorado attempted to pass a "red flag" rule that a family member or law enforcement could get a court order to confiscate guns and place someone under psychiatric care if they appear to be dangerous...Once again it was killed by the "slipper slope" folks who were told in ads that you'd have strangers getting red flag orders to confiscate guns, ignoring the facts of the bill.
I like the red flag rule. What we've seen is that a once "responsible" gun owner flips his wig so if those close to him/her can pick up on clues beforehand, then all the better. Family and friends can tell when something's going wrong. We could use a national "See something, say something" campaign for possible gun violence. Can't hurt.

As it is, people who have been charged with domestic violence manage to hold on to their guns and way too many manage to kill their estranged spouse/partner while the order to remove their guns gets slow-walked.

Registration lends a seriousness to owning a gun and the expectation that it WILL BE secured....from family, friends and strangers. It would make all the yahoos think twice about leaving their gun in their purse or under the seat in the car....where a kid, even a toddler, can get their hands on the weapon. It would make them concerned that if someone took their gun and murdered another, that they'd be facing charges, too.
 

Fins

Fray Terror
I like the red flag rule. What we've seen is that a once "responsible" gun owner flips his wig so if those close to him/her can pick up on clues beforehand, then all the better. Family and friends can tell when something's going wrong. We could use a national "See something, say something" campaign for possible gun violence. Can't hurt.

As it is, people who have been charged with domestic violence manage to hold on to their guns and way too many manage to kill their estranged spouse/partner while the order to remove their guns gets slow-walked.

Registration lends a seriousness to owning a gun and the expectation that it WILL BE secured....from family, friends and strangers. It would make all the yahoos think twice about leaving their gun in their purse or under the seat in the car....where a kid, even a toddler, can get their hands on the weapon. It would make them concerned that if someone took their gun and murdered another, that they'd be facing charges, too.
You clearly have no clue about reality.
 

EatTheRich

President
And Chris Rock joked (maybe it wasn't a joke) that bullets should cost $5,000 a piece.

I see where you're going with basically needing a license to purchase ammo. The same can easily apply to the weapon itself. New ones being registered at time of purchase. Gun owners given a 6 month window to register their old guns.

I don't like the worry over how gun owners would react especially when it seems to be mostly about protecting the paranoids who believe they need guns to fight the government. That's nuts.

If owning a gun is a right, no need to be sneaky about it. Businesses and government pretty much know everything you own by the product number.
Were the Black Panthers paranoid? Did they need guns to fight the government? They were very careful about following gun laws, but did they have good reasons to keep private counsel?
 
Some other similarly deplorable defendants were named too.

They are all being sued for defamation for falsely claiming that the Newtown school massacre was a hoax, and falsely accusing the families of the slaughtered children of playing roles in that hoax.

Alex Jones, of course, calls the suit frivolous, when he should be falling on his knees, begging for forgiveness.

Such suits are the only possible way to rein in The atrocious liars on GOP hate radio. I wish them all success.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2018/05/23/us/alex-jones-sandy-hook-suit/index.html
Jones will win since even the FBI has admitted sandy hook did not happen.
 
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