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Capitalist

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Why wouldn’t rulers we can vote on be less corrupt than the private stockholders who are rulers we can’t vote on?
Wonderful question!

Because the rulers are hand in hand with the private stockholders! It is the proverbial fox guarding the hen house!

Why do you think legislation constantly gets passed that is harmful to, say, small farmers while gigantic influence peddling corporations like Monsanto love the same legislation? It's because Monsanto hates competition and the legislators LOVE the money Monsanto gives them to win elections and retire like kings! Come on, man! Catch a clue!

"Oh but we can vote these corrupt bastards out of Congress!"

Yeah. How's that working out for you? Not so good, huh? So instead of cutting the snake off at the head (that means reducing government) you want to multiply the hydra and boost their power and corporations' influence. Not smart.

"Oh but when that happens we'll just vote them out."

No you won't. Because you haven't done it yet. Because said legislators take that lobby money and hire the most expensive PR and advertising as$holes in the nation and persuade the easily persuaded, like EatTheRich, and you just vote them back in again!

If you cut the legislators' power by electing small government legislators (and voting THEM out when they grow government!) then you remove the incentive for big corporations to lobby them! (Even Stevie Wonder could see it!) Do you even know how evil Monsanto is? (Why would you want to grow government power and control so that Monsanto could control your newly minted controllers? That's just insane!)

"Oh, but then we'll be at the mercy of them ebil ebil corporations!"

No you won't. You'll refuse to buy their shit. Or you'll have privately funded watchdogs like Consumer Reports, Yelp, Angie's List, Amazon ratings, re-emerging honest journalists (Breitbart for cons and for libs we have. . .we have. . .hey you guys better get on the stick) shit load of other avenues, etc. to rely on to make your purchasing/advocating decisions.

And then you always have fraud litigation which works pretty well especially when a small government can't create fraudulent loopholes (created by legislators in response to lobby money) them ebil corps wiggle through in a court of law.

What happened when Enron was shown to be a bunch of frauds? Answer: The market killed them literally overnight. The market was judge, jury, and executioner. And the only reason they lasted as long as they did was their government patsies covered for them. . .until they couldn't cover them any more.

This kind of shit happens all the time in the US.


Time for a reality check, ETR.
 
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EatTheRich

President
Wonderful question!

Because the rulers are hand in hand with the private stockholders! It is the proverbial fox guarding the hen house!

Why do you think legislation constantly gets passed that is harmful to, say, small farmers while gigantic influence peddling corporations like Monsanto love the same legislation? It's because Monsanto hates competition and the legislators LOVE the money Monsanto gives them to win elections and retire like kings! Come on, man! Catch a clue!

"Oh but we can vote these corrupt bastards out of Congress!"

Yeah. How's that working out for you? Not so good, huh? So instead of cutting the snake off at the head (that means reducing government) you want to multiply the hydra and boost their power and corporations' influence. Not smart.

"Oh but when that happens we'll just vote them out."

No you won't. Because you haven't done it yet. Because said legislators take that lobby money and hire the most expensive PR and advertising as$holes in the nation and persuade the easily persuaded, like EatTheRich, and you just vote them back in again!

If you cut the legislators' power by electing small government legislators (and voting THEM out when they grow government!) then you remove the incentive for big corporations to lobby them! (Even Stevie Wonder could see it!) Do you even know how evil Monsanto is? (Why would you want to grow government power and control so that Monsanto could control your newly minted controllers? That's just insane!)

"Oh, but then we'll be at the mercy of them ebil ebil corporations!"

No you won't. You'll refuse to buy their shit. Or you'll have privately funded watchdogs like Consumer Reports, Yelp, Angie's List, Amazon ratings, re-emerging honest journalists (Breitbart for cons and for libs we have. . .we have. . .hey you guys better get on the stick) shit load of other avenues, etc. to rely on to make your purchasing/advocating decisions.

And then you always have fraud litigation which works pretty well especially when a small government can't create fraudulent loopholes (created by legislators in response to lobby money) them ebil corps wiggle through in a court of law.

What happened when Enron was shown to be a bunch of frauds? Answer: The market killed them literally overnight. The market was judge, jury, and executioner. And the only reason they lasted as long as they did was their government patsies covered for them. . .until they couldn't cover them any more.

Time for a reality check, ETR.
The main “favor” government does for corporations is to deregulate them. You are arguing for giving them all that favor gratis, minus the cost of bribing legislators they now incur.

Cutting the snake off at the head would mean smashing the big-business state and replacing it with a workers’ state, by taking ownership of wealth out of the corporations’ hands.
 
C

Capitalist

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The main “favor” government does for corporations is to deregulate them. You are arguing for giving them all that favor gratis, minus the cost of bribing legislators they now incur.
No. The ultimate regulator is you and me. We killed Enron faster and better than any bloated fat corrupt government regulator. You have no argument against that. It happened. It's a matter of history.

Cutting the snake off at the head would mean smashing the big-business state and replacing it with a workers’ state, by taking ownership of wealth out of the corporations’ hands.
Well if trillions of dollars of theft is your thing replacing it with intensely oppressive despots, knock yourself out. Get a mic on a platform and preach your gospel. See how well you do.

Oh wait. That's here. And you sound like a Smurf preaching communism.
 

EatTheRich

President
No. The ultimate regulator is you and me. We killed Enron faster and better than any bloated fat corrupt government regulator. You have no argument against that. It happened. It's a matter of history.



Well if trillions of dollars of theft is your thing replacing it with intensely oppressive despots, knock yourself out. Get a mic on a platform and preach your gospel. See how well you do.

Oh wait. That's here. And you sound like a Smurf preaching communism.
Enron was deliberately bankrupted by its management so they could line their own pockets. That wasn’t a failure of capitalism; it was one of the greatest capitalist success stories of all time.

If your problem with the government was really theft and oppression, you’d start addressing it by disbanding the military.
 
C

Capitalist

Guest
Enron was deliberately bankrupted by its management so they could line their own pockets. That wasn’t a failure of capitalism; it was one of the greatest capitalist success stories of all time.

If your problem with the government was really theft and oppression, you’d start addressing it by disbanding the military.
Just. . .weird.
 
I love the Green Party. The key to reducing corruption is greater government control.

Always good for a laugh.
Not as good as...

Baaaaaaa:p

https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/trump-drain-swamp-volcker-rule-wall-street-the-city-federal-reserve-a8381121.html

"As Wall Street regulations are loosened, Trump is now mired in the swamp he promised to drain
Whistleblower Edward Snowden said the presidential election in 2016 represented a dismal ‘choice between Donald Trump and Goldman Sachs’. As the assault on the Volcker Rule confirms, this was one of the worst pieces of analysis of recent history."
 
Why do you think legislation constantly gets passed that is harmful to, say, small farmers while gigantic influence peddling corporations like Monsanto love the same legislation? It's because Monsanto hates competition and the legislators LOVE the money Monsanto gives them to win elections and retire like kings! Come on, man! Catch a clue!

"Oh but we can vote these corrupt bastards out of Congress!"

Yeah. How's that working out for you? Not so good, huh? So instead of cutting the snake off at the head (that means reducing government) you want to multiply the hydra and boost their power and corporations' influence. Not smart.
Except the head of the snake is the private, for-profit corporation. Simply compare nation states and corporations by annual revenue and you'll find the largest 100 entities consist of around 60 corporations and forty states.

Walmart, Apple, and Shell are richer than Norway, Belgium, or Russia. The world's richest ten corporations have a combined revenue higher than that of the 180 poorest countries.

Capitalists would like nothing better than to eliminate democratic government and substitute private, profit producing collectives as the ultimate arbiter of the monopoly of violence.

http://wallstreetonparade.com/2018/09/theres-a-new-bible-out-for-defeating-the-trump-era-and-its-corporate-masters/
 
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C

Capitalist

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Except the head of the snake is the private, for-profit corporation. Simply compare nation states and corporations by annual revenue and you'll find the largest 100 entities consist of around 60 corporations and forty states.

Walmart, Apple, and Shell are richer than Norway, Belgium, or Russia. The world's richest ten corporations have a combined revenue higher than that of the 180 poorest countries.
Do they have jails?

Courts?

Cops?

Military?

No?

Oh.
 
Cops?

Military?

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/blackwater-down/

"Some patrolled the streets in SUVs with tinted windows and the Blackwater logo splashed on the back; others sped around the French Quarter in an unmarked car with no license plates.

"They congregated on the corner of St. James and Bourbon in front of a bar called 711, where Blackwater was establishing a makeshift headquarters.

"From the balcony above the bar, several Blackwater guys cleared out what had apparently been someone's apartment.

"They threw mattresses, clothes, shoes and other household items from the balcony to the street below. They draped an American flag from the balcony's railing. More than a dozen troops from the 82nd Airborne Division stood in formation on the street watching the action."
 
C

Capitalist

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Unless you count the state forces that exist to do their bidding and the right-wing paramilitaries that act as private armies for them.
So the head of the snake is the STATE! That's my point!

Cut the power of the STATE and you cut the incentive for corporate lobbying!
 
C

Capitalist

Guest
Of course. For example, eliminate their power to regulate the movement of people across borders.
Dodge.

Not talking about immigration. Talking about corporate lobbying. Changing the subject sounds like conceding.
 
C

Capitalist

Guest
Of course. For example, eliminate their power to regulate the movement of people across borders.
Or eliminate their power to defend against invasion.

See, the Constitution is very explicit in what the government is allowed to do. Borders and defense for example. Obamacare, no.
 

EatTheRich

President
Dodge.

Not talking about immigration. Talking about corporate lobbying. Changing the subject sounds like conceding.
Again, it is the coercive power of the state (for example, their power to use force to control the borders) that makes the state useful to the ruling class.
 

middleview

President
Supporting Member
If Dr. Ford's accusation against Kavanaugh is true, does he deserve Senate confirmation?
If it comes down to his own dishonest denial of the event...it does speak to his honesty and credibility. The alleged assault on it's own means very little to me. The narrative from Judge, Kavanaugh's buddy, about their drunken episodes as teenagers could lead to more of the same in college and later.
 
C

Capitalist

Guest
Again, it is the coercive power of the state (for example, their power to use force to control the borders) that makes the state useful to the ruling class.
Again, controlling the borders is in the Constitution. Deal with it.

And again, your post is just bullshit you pulled out of your ass.
 
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