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'Saturday Night Massacre' is upon us ~

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Free range human living on a tax farm.
This Is the Saturday Night Massacre
It’s just happening in slow motion.

By WALTER M. SHAUB JR.

NOV 14, 20183:55 PM
Acting Attorney General Matthew G. Whitaker gives brief remarks on Wednesday in Des Moines, Iowa.

With the firing of Attorney General Jeff Sessions, America is in uncharted territory. The last time a president made a personnel change to undermine an investigation of his associates, Congress forced him to resign. That was when President Richard Nixon pushed out his attorney general and deputy attorney general so he could fire the special prosecutor. The fallout from this Saturday Night Massacre, as it is known, has stood as a warning to subsequent presidents. Yet President Trump has launched a piecemeal Saturday Night Massacre of his own. He first fired FBI Director James Comey last year for his handling of the Russia probe, then he fired the attorney general for failing to protect him from the Russia probe. His intent to undermine an investigation of his campaign has been clear throughout—he barely tried to hide it—but the difference this time is that he has acted with impunity. What comes next could be anything.

The thing about traveling in uncharted territory is that you don’t know where you’ll end up. This may seem like a simplistic observation, but it’s one worth making. Uncharted territory is the last place a conscientious government official wants to be and the first place an unscrupulous one wants to go. Precedents and norms are guideposts along well-traveled paths in government that lead to impartial decision-making. Conscientious officials find these guideposts helpful as they continuously check their motives to make sure they are putting the public’s interests ahead of their own and other private interests. If circumstances deliver them into uncharted territory, it becomes harder to gauge whether they are serving the public’s interest.

Forty-five years ago, the leaders of the Department of Justice found themselves in similar uncharted terrain. An unscrupulous president was attempting to abuse his authority to undermine a special counsel investigation of individuals associated with his campaign for reelection. Special prosecutor Archibald Cox had demanded President Richard Nixon’s tapes of White House deliberations. Nixon responded by negotiating a compromise with Attorney General Elliot Richardson that would have allowed him to withhold the tapes, summarize the contents of some of them, and let a third party verify his summary.* But Cox rejected the compromise, so Nixon ordered Richardson to fire him...

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2018/11/jeff-sessions-firing-saturday-night-massacre-matthew-whitaker.html

Robert Mueller is getting fired unless some great and divine intervention occurs.

If indictments come after the fact, it will be via sealed documents. Their release will be challenged via the court system and said challenge will fail.
 

Boca

Governor
This Is the Saturday Night Massacre
All good except that Nixon wasn't impeached for firing anyone.

He was impeached on 3 articles, obstruction of justice, abuse of power, and contempt of Congress, all related to Watergate break in.

Surely there would have been a 4th Article had Nixon not had the power to fire someone.

And surely if Trump didn't have the power to do so there would be no need for the effort in the Senate now to "protect" Robert Mueller from being fired.
 

Drumcollie

* See DC's list of Kook posters*
So you are comparing Trump to Nixon here:


Nixon was a job creator too. But lets not forget how Hillary went Nixonian and tried to rig an election with a fake Russian dossier.


Why Hillary Clinton Is Richard Nixon in a Pantsuit

Why Hillary Clinton Is Richard Nixon in a Pantsuit | The ...
https://dailycaller.com/2015/11/12/why-hillary-clinton-is-richard...
But in recent years, Hillary Clinton has been tearing pages out of Richard Nixon’s playbook. Take the email scandal , for example. One of the more troubling pieces of the Hillary Clinton email scandal is that Clinton herself decided which of the more than 60,000 messages were work-related.
 

Puzzling Evidence

Free range human living on a tax farm.
All good except that Nixon wasn't impeached for firing anyone.

He was impeached on 3 articles, obstruction of justice, abuse of power, and contempt of Congress, all related to Watergate break in.

Surely there would have been a 4th Article had Nixon not had the power to fire someone.

And surely if Trump didn't have the power to do so there would be no need for the effort in the Senate now to "protect" Robert Mueller from being fired.
He resigned before he even faced the charges and was summarily pardoned by Ford.

Firing the person investigating you without cause could easily be construed as obstruction of justice. Obstruction is a crime. People are charged with this all the time for acts as innocuous as not providing the investigators with correct dates or times, etc.

Make no mistake, firing an investigator in order to prevent an investigation is a crime.
 
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Sickofleft

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What a load of complete unadulterated cry baby bullshit. Protect Mueller? [Unwelcome language removed] Mueller and this entire bullshit narrative the Obama DOJ and the Clinton campaign made up because they lost the election.

I hope someone in Washington has the balls to finally expose just how corrupt this was from day one.
 

Puzzling Evidence

Free range human living on a tax farm.
What a load of complete unadulterated cry baby bullshit. Protect Mueller? [Unwelcome language removed] Mueller and this entire bullshit narrative the Obama DOJ and the Clinton campaign made up because they lost the election.

I hope someone in Washington has the balls to finally expose just how corrupt this was from day one.
^^^ See? This response is just fine. I want to hear what people think about the OP - not the other posters or off-topic bull crap.

Good job.
 

Puzzling Evidence

Free range human living on a tax farm.
lol

Watching the pearl clutching Liberals at the MSM make wild predictions and try to tie it to historical events is funny.
Mike, this isn't about me breaking out the pom poms, just reporting what happened and what it means. That's all. What do YOU think it means? Does asking for more time sound innocuous or is this setting something up? Not saying that Trump is guilty of really bad stuff (he could be, but he might not), just trying to guess what's going on.
 

Jen

Senator
This Is the Saturday Night Massacre
It’s just happening in slow motion.

By WALTER M. SHAUB JR.

NOV 14, 20183:55 PM
Acting Attorney General Matthew G. Whitaker gives brief remarks on Wednesday in Des Moines, Iowa.

With the firing of Attorney General Jeff Sessions, America is in uncharted territory. The last time a president made a personnel change to undermine an investigation of his associates, Congress forced him to resign. That was when President Richard Nixon pushed out his attorney general and deputy attorney general so he could fire the special prosecutor. The fallout from this Saturday Night Massacre, as it is known, has stood as a warning to subsequent presidents. Yet President Trump has launched a piecemeal Saturday Night Massacre of his own. He first fired FBI Director James Comey last year for his handling of the Russia probe, then he fired the attorney general for failing to protect him from the Russia probe. His intent to undermine an investigation of his campaign has been clear throughout—he barely tried to hide it—but the difference this time is that he has acted with impunity. What comes next could be anything.

The thing about traveling in uncharted territory is that you don’t know where you’ll end up. This may seem like a simplistic observation, but it’s one worth making. Uncharted territory is the last place a conscientious government official wants to be and the first place an unscrupulous one wants to go. Precedents and norms are guideposts along well-traveled paths in government that lead to impartial decision-making. Conscientious officials find these guideposts helpful as they continuously check their motives to make sure they are putting the public’s interests ahead of their own and other private interests. If circumstances deliver them into uncharted territory, it becomes harder to gauge whether they are serving the public’s interest.

Forty-five years ago, the leaders of the Department of Justice found themselves in similar uncharted terrain. An unscrupulous president was attempting to abuse his authority to undermine a special counsel investigation of individuals associated with his campaign for reelection. Special prosecutor Archibald Cox had demanded President Richard Nixon’s tapes of White House deliberations. Nixon responded by negotiating a compromise with Attorney General Elliot Richardson that would have allowed him to withhold the tapes, summarize the contents of some of them, and let a third party verify his summary.* But Cox rejected the compromise, so Nixon ordered Richardson to fire him...

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2018/11/jeff-sessions-firing-saturday-night-massacre-matthew-whitaker.html

Robert Mueller is getting fired unless some great and divine intervention occurs.

If indictments come after the fact, it will be via sealed documents. Their release will be challenged via the court system and said challenge will fail.
There is enough wrong information in there to discredit the whole thing.
 

Puzzling Evidence

Free range human living on a tax farm.
There is enough wrong information in there to discredit the whole thing.
OK, Jen - I'll play.

What's the "wrong information?

Are you saying that there was no extension? The rest is pretty much guessing what's going on - hardly 'misinformation.'
 

Puzzling Evidence

Free range human living on a tax farm.
@Jen quit fixing your double post and answer!!! LOL.

What's with posters showing up to tell me how bad this thread sucks, but it's like you're afraid to tell me why? I thought that this was a discussion board? Maybe it's just a place to hurl melons at threads we don't like....
 

Jen

Senator
OK, Jen - I'll play.

What's the "wrong information?
  • Comey wasn't fired to undermine anything (Comey had overstepped his job description and lied to Congress, both reasons to be fired)
  • Sessions wasn't fired to undermine anything (had he said he would recuse himself on the Russion thing he wouldn't have been hired in the first place)
  • There is no comparison between Nixon and Trump. If any comparisons to the Nixon administration to the present, they can be made between Nixon erasing tapes and Hillary destroying phone and texting records. And yes. I know both had it done, they didn't to it themselves.
I don't have time for more right now..........but those three are clearly enough to discredit the whole piece since those are the top things the piece is based on.
 

Jen

Senator
@Jen quit fixing your double post and answer!!! LOL.
I had already fixed my double post by the time I saw your response and although I am a fast typer, it takes a little time to type a response. Sorry to have made you wait. Now, I have to go grocery shopping so if I need to respond again, it will take a while. But you know I love you so you'll be patient. Right?
 
He resigned before he even faced the charges and was summarily pardoned by Ford.

Firing the person investigating you without cause could easily be construed as obstruction of justice. Obstruction is a crime. People are charged with this all the time for acts as innocuous as not providing the investigators with correct dates or times, etc.

Make no mistake, firing an investigator in order to prevent an investigation is a crime.
Factually your out in left field here all by yourself along with the retard from Slate whom you copied and pasted.

Sessions IS/WAS not now nor did he EVER oversee the Trump/Russia investigation. Sessions quite publicly recused himself from the investigation before it even started. I wonder how you could have missed that .........but oh well. Now you know.

The investigation hasn't been impeded in the slightest. Sessions never had anything to do with it at any time, EVER. There's a fellow named Rod Rosenstein that is in charge if it. He has been from day one. I figured you might want to know that also so you can stop making top posts with more conspiracy theories that well..........just don't make sense.

Make no mistake about it NOBODY on the investigation team has been fired. The investigation marches on just as it has until such time as Mueller sees fit to end it.

The only thing that has changed is Rosenstein has a new boss. And even that's temporary.
 

Jen

Senator
@Jen quit fixing your double post and answer!!! LOL.

What's with posters showing up to tell me how bad this thread sucks, but it's like you're afraid to tell me why? I thought that this was a discussion board? Maybe it's just a place to hurl melons at threads we don't like....
No..............it was a good article. Just wrong. And I hurled cotton balls at ya.............I'd never hurl a melon. I like the thread. I was just trying to get to the grocery store.........
 

Puzzling Evidence

Free range human living on a tax farm.
  • Comey wasn't fired to undermine anything (Comey had overstepped his job description and lied to Congress, both reasons to be fired)
  • Sessions wasn't fired to undermine anything (had he said he would recuse himself on the Russion thing he wouldn't have been hired in the first place)
  • There is no comparison between Nixon and Trump. If any comparisons to the Nixon administration to the present, they can be made between Nixon erasing tapes and Hillary destroying phone and texting records. And yes. I know both had it done, they didn't to it themselves.
I don't have time for more right now..........but those three are clearly enough to discredit the whole piece since those are the top things the piece is based on.
Comey was fired for wearing stripes with plad I guess. Trump asked him for loyalty and he refused. This one is entirely subjective I guess even though it's pretty obvious to me. He overstepped his job description? How so? He was investigating Russian Collusion at the request of congress.

Sessions was a dead man walking for recusing himself, did you somehow miss this? Trump whined about it every chance he got and then asked Sessions to step down. Why? Yet another firing that only makes sense to partisans.

Nixon tried to fire his independent council. When those in charge refused - they were fired and Nixon then did what Trump did - he had HIS own guy do it.

It's coming. Come back here afterwards and tell me how it didn't really go down that way.
 
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