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Liberal and left are not the same thing

Social democracy is a natural evolution of liberalism. Robespierre was a laissez-faire constitutionalist until the advances of the hungry mobs who allied with him because his liberalism was less willing to shoot them down than the reaction’s conservatism; then he rode their anger into power with the connivance of the business community who needed his help to deal with the national betrayal by the conservatives who would rather see France in the hands of Austria and Britain than liberals. Lincoln was a classical liberal until he needed the help of the radical left to break the power of the illiberal planter class and embarked on a radical redistributionist policy rather than let the much more dictatorial alternative take root. Franklin Roosevelt was elected on a platform of a balanced budget and a smaller government, but had to ally with the Communist Party (up to their usual Stalinist game of looking for ways to make deals with the capitalists at the expense of communism, but give the workers just enough to keep them under their leadership, i.e., more liberalism, in essence) and the CIO so that communists wouldn’t take over the country.

The consistent thing about classical liberalism and modern liberalism is looking out for the capitalist class and being willing to break with tradition, and compromise with forces with their own agenda ... to a point ... to do it. It has always meant freedom for the few and repression for the many.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modern_liberalism_in_the_United_States
 
No, they actually exist right there in the ether for anyone to use. Or were you under the impression there was some sort of embargo on your ability to claim yourself a liberal?
Is that how a lefty like you justifies moral relativism? You have vocabulary relativism? ha ha

Words and grammar command a language and it is in rigor of those elements of thinking that civilizations advance and keep those advances. Golden societies have crumbled hand in hand with the deregulation of their language.
 

EatTheRich

President
Tell it to Pelosi, Schumer, Warren, Bernie, Cortez, Kamala, Cory, et al.

We have Social Security because it is a Ponzi with no escape hatch that doesn't screw somebody.
Pelosi, Schumer, Harris, and Booker all know it because their politics is it.

Social security is a wonderful thing, sustainable indefinitely, which saves lives. It is not an investment program, it is a defined state liability.
 

BobbyT

Governor
Is that how a lefty like you justifies moral relativism? You have vocabulary relativism? ha ha

Words and grammar command a language and it is in rigor of those elements of thinking that civilizations advance and keep those advances. Golden societies have crumbled hand in hand with the deregulation of their language.
Deregulation of language? What "golden societies" have crumbled with deregulation of language? Who is in charge of regulating language and how do they go about doing it?
 

BobbyT

Governor
Greece is a mess and Greek isn't as well spoken as it once was by its citizens.
You said many "golden civilizations" have crumbled hand in hand with the deregulation of their language. How was Greece's language "deregulated" and who regulated it in the first place? How does your claim that "Greek isn't as well spoken as it once was" relate to that alleged deregulation (and how do you measure "well spoken?)? Whether Greece is currently "a mess" is not the same as "crumbled." So which golden civilizations crumbled due to deregulation of their language?
 
You said many "golden civilizations" have crumbled hand in hand with the deregulation of their language. How was Greece's language "deregulated" and who regulated it in the first place? How does your claim that "Greek isn't as well spoken as it once was" relate to that alleged deregulation (and how do you measure "well spoken?)? Whether Greece is currently "a mess" is not the same as "crumbled." So which golden civilizations crumbled due to deregulation of their language?
Let me go on a tangent because that is something you can look into on your own.

The more precise and consistent a language is the better are the laws and the science for the transmission over time. Languages, the English language specifically, and the words in the language is the means by which thinking is done. The better the vocabulary the better the thinking (and I believe the better the morality).
 

BobbyT

Governor
Let me go on a tangent because that is something you can look into on your own.

The more precise and consistent a language is the better are the laws and the science for the transmission over time. Languages, the English language specifically, and the words in the language is the means by which thinking is done. The better the vocabulary the better the thinking (and I believe the better the morality).
Words are used to communicate. RWNJs on here call Democrats leftist, liberal, socialist, communist. Do you think they're thinking of precise definitions of any of those words when they use them? Of course not, because the words and their meaning are distinct from one another. RWNJs use them as epithets. You know that, I know that, the people using them know that, and the people reading them know that. What was the intent of the communique? To insult. That communication was successful because they were meant to insult and read as an insult. Meaning achieved. Yet the words used were imprecise and improperly used. So what? You want to call yourself a liberal. Be my guest. But don't be surprised when RWNJs on here confuse you with a leftist socialist communist.
 
Words are used to communicate. RWNJs on here call Democrats leftist, liberal, socialist, communist. Do you think they're thinking of precise definitions of any of those words when they use them?
Honestly, I don't think of their precise definition. But my discussions would be far better if they were. The fault probably being I didn't take any poly-sci class to make it second nature.

Of course not, because the words and their meaning are distinct from one another. RWNJs use them as epithets. You know that, I know that, the people using them know that, and the people reading them know that. What was the intent of the communique? To insult. That communication was successful because they were meant to insult and read as an insult.
Yeah, insult and challenge to leftist thinking that is just too far from a central norm to be humored. Especially since compromise has become a one way street the left seems to eventually win in their long arc of compromise strategy. Stealing the word liberal and turning its definition on its head is a ready yet trivial example.

Meaning achieved. Yet the words used were imprecise and improperly used. So what? You want to call yourself a liberal. Be my guest. But don't be surprised when RWNJs on here confuse you with a leftist socialist communist.
Fine by me. I will call myself a liberal and my political color will not be red. As a lifelong registered independent I'm cool with conservatives being confused. I think I'm still looking for my tribe.
 

Jen

Senator
I got your proof right here lefties.

Blue Dog Democrats were "Liberal".
There are few if any of those left.
I believe your little meme there is in error. The Donkey is the Left, while the solid stake in the ground part is what's left of the Liberal element and that donkey is just about to sever the cord.
 

EatTheRich

President
Blue Dog Democrats were "Liberal".
There are few if any of those left.
I believe your little meme there is in error. The Donkey is the Left, while the solid stake in the ground part is what's left of the Liberal element and that donkey is just about to sever the cord.
They call themselves the Democratic Leadership Council now.
 
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