Socialized Medicine is Slavery - Rand Paul
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redtide
Mayor
The govt screws up all it touches and is directly responsible for the ever rising health care costs. It all began when Dimorats figured out they could use our money to buy votes. Alas they came up with medicare. Once they imposed that upon US it was the beginning of the end of affordability of healthcare.
PNWest
America's BEST American: Impartial and Bipartisan
Wonder why Lil' Randy is heading north to the land of socialized medicine if things are so bad up there?
redtide
Mayor
You do realize that Canada, the UK and most of the EU have excellent healthcare for those who pay for health insurance (just like here). For those who use the state system it is a bit like the VA under Obama with long lines and substandard care.
So the question to you is, Why would you want to impose such a fate upon US?
PNWest
America's BEST American: Impartial and Bipartisan
Maybe because all of those places you mentioned pay less for healthcare than we do, have longer life expediencies and lower infant mortality rates. Duh!
redtide
Mayor
smaller population and no one talks about the fact that taxes are levied for the "free" healthcare and for those who want actual healthcare must pay for it themselves. So why do you want to do that to US?
PNWest
America's BEST American: Impartial and Bipartisan
asked and answered
sear
Mayor
Without stating my own position on it, generally the idea is to lower per capita healthcare costs from retail price to wholesale price.
But the successes in Western Europe demonstrate we can not only get better, lower priced healthcare, but also obtain more favorable healthcare outcomes.
For with collective bargaining we can do for healthcare costs what the UAW did for union wages.
redtide
Mayor
While that sounds good in theory and without debating how well it works in Western Europe our govt has consistently demonstrated the opposite. I argue that each and every time our govt gets involved in healthcare it only get worse and more expensive.
Additionally many in Western Europe who want actually decent healthcare have their own private insurance so they do not have to wait months or years to get treated.
YouCantHandleDaTruth
Governor
The Troops are a part of America's government
Way to support the troops .... of Russia
PNWest
America's BEST American: Impartial and Bipartisan
Of course it works well everywhere else in countries with demographics like ours. They do not have republicans.
By the way there would be nothing at all stopping a system where everyone has healthcare and those that want to pay for it get expedited treatment.
redtide
Mayor
Apologies but I am unable to follow the path of your insane logic. I am sure that it sounds right to you but perhaps more meds are needed.
redtide
Mayor
really and which countries have demographics like the US? By chance do any of them have a culture that was not born of Feudalism?
YouCantHandleDaTruth
Governor
redtide
Mayor
Pray tell, what do Russian troops, US troops or for that matter any troops have to do with the incompetence of our govt.
EatTheRich
President
Medicare was a conquest of the civil rights movement.
EatTheRich
President
They pay less per capita for health care (including all public and private money paid) for better outcomes.
PNWest
America's BEST American: Impartial and Bipartisan
Try any of the western European/Scandanavian democracies
sear
Mayor
Not much room for debate.
There are a few simple quantifications which tell the story with arithmetic simplicity.
For the disease being treated:
- How much time elapsed between patient reporting for diagnosis with symptoms, to cure?
- What was the cost of that treatment?
- How much longer did the patient live after the healthcare?
The reports I've read of it tend to corroborate one another, that several nations with "socialized medicine" have better healthcare at lower price.
Obamacare isn't "single-payer". Some attribute the failure to that.
Again, I have no axe to grind here. Whatever is the best for the People of the United States of America, that's what I want.
But this has been studied intensively for generations.
The experts, people that know much more about it than I do, seem to think it's not either U.S. system, but European style socialized medicine that's the more efficient.
I've also read that the VA provides some of the most affordable healthcare in the U.S., and near as I can tell, the VA is single-payer.
I get my healthcare through the VA, much of it through the VA hospital in Syracuse, NY. And each time I'm there I'm very impressed with how smoothly it operates.
Could be.
I'm pretty much out of the loop. I'm more or less a hermit, have been for decades. And as I'm fairly healthy, for these grand scale analyses (rather than personal anecdote) I factor the journalistic integrity of the source, favoring the Wall Street Journal over Rush Limbaugh or FOX News (although I've been a Chris Wallace / FNS fan for many years.
Thus revealing a weakness of SOME such systems.
But that doesn't mean all European healthcare has month or year treatment delays.
Constitutional Sheepdog
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yes little one when someone gives you something you are their slave until you repay the obligation
As with govco and that free stuff you are a slave to govco unless you get off the tittie
