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Why as a rule do we oppose immigration?

I am absolutely serious at my question. I'm really curious those who's opposed to immigration.. Why? I may somehow understand why Europeans would be opposed to immigration but if you are an American, I don't understand it. You know, since America is " a melting pot" being cooked in immigration sauce. Explain me your position.
Republics Always Go Bananas

The hereditary plutocracy sees how its class lives in Latin America and wants that here. The excluded down there are Indians, a passive people who let themselves get pushed around and butchered. If our ruling class has a future, the rest of us don't.
 

reason10

Governor
I am absolutely serious at my question. I'm really curious those who's opposed to immigration.. Why? I may somehow understand why Europeans would be opposed to immigration but if you are an American, I don't understand it. You know, since America is " a melting pot" being cooked in immigration sauce. Explain me your position.
A couple of things: (and I'm not 100 certain I agree with one of them.)
http://www.anncoulter.com/columns/2015-09-30.html
Half a century ago, Democrats looked at the country and realized they were never going to convince Americans to agree with them. But they noticed that people in most other countries of the world already agreed with them. The solution was obvious.


So in 1965 -- 50 years ago this week -- Sen. Ted Kennedy passed an immigration law that has brought 59 million foreigners to our shores, who happen to vote 8-2 for the Democrats.


Democrats haven't won any arguments; they changed the voters. If anything, the Democrats have stopped bothering to appeal to Americans. The new feminized Democratic Party says, That's too bad about those steelworkers in Ohio losing their jobs, but THERE'S A WOMAN AT A LAW FIRM IN NEW YORK CITY WHO DESERVES TO MAKE PARTNER!


Republicans should be sweeping the country, but they aren't, because of Kennedy's immigration law. Without post-1965 immigrants bloc-voting for the Democrats, Obama never would have been elected president, and Romney would have won a bigger landslide against him in 2012 than Reagan did against Carter in 1980.


This isn't a guess; it's a provable fact. Obama beat Romney by less than 5 million votes in a presidential election in which about 125 million votes were cast. More than 30 million of Obama's votes came from people who arrived under Teddy Kennedy's immigration law; fewer than 10 million of Romney's did.


The 1965 act brought in the poorest of the poor from around the globe. Non-English-speaking peasants from wildly backward cultures could be counted on to be dependent on government assistance for generations to come.
This is a legitimate argument, I suppose. President Trump DID say he supported immigration but we should decide who we want to emigrate here based on MERIT. The tech industry is whining about needing brains to work in the field and we import idiots from Honduras who don't speak English and have great skills in milking cows.

Your point about a melting pot is one that has gotten lost in today's immigration debate. The new immigrants don't want to assimilate. They demand we become like the shitholes they came from.
 

Acurite

Council Member
A couple of things: (and I'm not 100 certain I agree with one of them.)
http://www.anncoulter.com/columns/2015-09-30.html

This is a legitimate argument, I suppose. President Trump DID say he supported immigration but we should decide who we want to emigrate here based on MERIT. The tech industry is whining about needing brains to work in the field and we import idiots from Honduras who don't speak English and have great skills in milking cows.

Your point about a melting pot is one that has gotten lost in today's immigration debate. The new immigrants don't want to assimilate. They demand we become like the shitholes they came from.
Absolutely true!

And in regarding Nancy Pelosi and other over the hill deluded democratic politicians............https://www.breitbart.com/clips/2019/01/17/dean-its-time-young-people-take-over-democrat-party/
 
Until such time as we all admit that we need low skilled labor, this conversation will never get to the heart of the issue. If by some miracle every single undocumented person disappeared over night, the nation would suffer immensely with no other recourse but to embrace low skilled immigration under some scheme or ignore the issue as we have done for decades. All the rest of this debate is noise.
 
A couple of things: (and I'm not 100 certain I agree with one of them.)
http://www.anncoulter.com/columns/2015-09-30.html

This is a legitimate argument, I suppose. President Trump DID say he supported immigration but we should decide who we want to emigrate here based on MERIT. The tech industry is whining about needing brains to work in the field and we import idiots from Honduras who don't speak English and have great skills in milking cows.

Your point about a melting pot is one that has gotten lost in today's immigration debate. The new immigrants don't want to assimilate. They demand we become like the shitholes they came from.
Nobody Dares Call Them "DINOs"

Liberals are agents of the Right Wing they were born in. Their motive for immigration is to have a society similar to the "Seven Families" banana republics. Migrants are just the solution for destroying the middle class.

STEM foreigners wouldn't be needed if we replaced the unmotivating slavery of college education with highly paid professional training. That would attract the smartest students and get them to study. All the present system attracts are escapist nerds, no-talent class-climbers, and spoiled pushy brats.
 

Acurite

Council Member
Until such time as we all admit that we need low skilled labor, this conversation will never get to the heart of the issue. If by some miracle every single undocumented person disappeared over night, the nation would suffer immensely with no other recourse but to embrace low skilled immigration under some scheme or ignore the issue as we have done for decades. All the rest of this debate is noise.
We have plenty of low skilled labor available already....the problem is they had rather stay on the dole(too many of them anyway)than to work for what they call chump change...this group I am referring to not only refuses to work but they have a couple of sidelines...selling drugs and shoplifting .

Many of them get into more serious crimes.....thus our prisons are over-run with them....harming our society in many ways...one of the bigger ways is how they let the democrats use them as political pawns in a ploy against conservatives...and conservative politics....playing into the fallacious democrat policy of victim-hood politics.

This has been going on over 50 yrs. now and the results though plain to see are not seen or are ignored by too many aka....our devastated inner cities, our crime problem and our huge national debt..much of it due to the billions and billons we have spent attempting to upgrade them...all of it a waste.

I think Trump's suggestion of allowing in guest workers would cover the Agricultural workers we need from Mexico but it should be tightly controlled and they should be covered by the law regarding decent housing, medical care and wages.

Also.....Business owners always want the cheapest possible labor(in most cases) thus allowing the illegal mexicans and other foreigners to take what were once middle class jobs.

That is the biggest mistake in our immigration policy now....the mexicans as well as other minorities have taken over traditional middle class jobs such as construction....but in other traditional middle class fields also thus dealing a severe blow to our middle class.
 

Acurite

Council Member
No one I know opposes "immigration". It's illegal immigration that we oppose.

Want to know why?

Because they are a drain on our society.

https://www.cis.org/Report/63-NonCitizen-Households-Access-Welfare-Programs?&utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social-media&utm_campaign=addtoany

That's why.
Our legal immigrants are a huge problem also....because most of them come from third world countries...many of them being of the muslim persuasion.

I am not going to get into all that right now...perhaps when i have more time....but it is a waste of time anyhow. Those who get it...have gotten it. Those who by now have not gotten it .....will never get it.
 
We have plenty of low skilled labor available already....the problem is they had rather stay on the dole(too many of them anyway)than to work for what they call chump change...this group I am referring to not only refuses to work but they have a couple of sidelines...selling drugs and shoplifting .

Many of them get into more serious crimes.....thus our prisons are over-run with them....harming our society in many ways...one of the bigger ways is how they let the democrats use them as political pawns in a ploy against conservatives...and conservative politics....playing into the fallacious democrat policy of victim-hood politics.

This has been going on over 50 yrs. now and the results though plain to see are not seen or are ignored by too many aka....our devastated inner cities, our crime problem and our huge national debt..much of it due to the billions and billons we have spent attempting to upgrade them...all of it a waste.

I think Trump's suggestion of allowing in guest workers would cover the Agricultural workers we need from Mexico but it should be tightly controlled and they should be covered by the law regarding decent housing, medical care and wages.

Also.....Business owners always want the cheapest possible labor(in most cases) thus allowing the illegal mexicans and other foreigners to take what were once middle class jobs.

That is the biggest mistake in our immigration policy now....the mexicans as well as other minorities have taken over traditional middle class jobs such as construction....but in other traditional middle class fields also thus dealing a severe blow to our middle class.
No American will do farm work. You want to know why Mexicans are hired? Because they work their butts off and don't complain.
 

Acurite

Council Member
No American will do farm work. You want to know why Mexicans are hired? Because they work their butts off and don't complain.
Of course but you do not go far enough to really understand the problem of illegal mexican immigration.

Back in the great depression many whites migrated to California and did the farm work mexicans do today...why?

Would they have done that if the government gave them a check every month if they did not work?

Our traditional servant class was the so called African-Americans.

Prior to the sixties they would do all kinds of jobs....wash dishes, shine shoes, pick cotton....any kind of job no matter what...because they knew if they did not work they would not eat.

There were no food stamps back then.

Then along came LBJ and the usual suspects who enacted all kinds of legislation back in the sixties...much of which allowed Negroes to go on the dole....it was called the War on Poverty under LBJ's banner of 'The Great Society.'

Most of the Great Society was designed to fight LBJ's War on Poverty, the total cost of which has been the sum of $22 trillion in current dollars, as reckoned by the Heritage Foundation.May 21, 2014
 

reason10

Governor
Nobody Dares Call Them "DINOs"

Liberals are agents of the Right Wing they were born in. Their motive for immigration is to have a society similar to the "Seven Families" banana republics. Migrants are just the solution for destroying the middle class.

STEM foreigners wouldn't be needed if we replaced the unmotivating slavery of college education with highly paid professional training. That would attract the smartest students and get them to study. All the present system attracts are escapist nerds, no-talent class-climbers, and spoiled pushy brats.
That's pretty true. It attracts the idiots who actually think they'll get six figure annual salaries from sociology or lesbian dance theory.
 

reason10

Governor
No American will do farm work. You want to know why Mexicans are hired? Because they work their butts off and don't complain.
Oh, Americans WILL do farm work. They just wont do it for peanuts, like illegal aliens would. A farm owner would have to pay real (and mostly LEGAL) wages to get pickers out there.

Come to think of it, the PRISONS could easily supply farmers with minimum wage paid farm labor. Make those scumbags pay back their debt to society.

No, I didn't say slave labor. Pay them minimum wage. They can save it up for when they get out.
 
Our legal immigrants are a huge problem also....because most of them come from third world countries...many of them being of the muslim persuasion.

I am not going to get into all that right now...perhaps when i have more time....but it is a waste of time anyhow. Those who get it...have gotten it. Those who by now have not gotten it .....will never get it.
Leveling From Above

The traitors' government buys the foreigners stores and gives them 7 years to make even the first payment on the loan from the money these quislings steal from us. There are no multiculturalists; this is all an attempt to destroy small-business opportunities for those who weren't born rich.
 
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That's pretty true. It attracts the idiots who actually think they'll get six figure annual salaries from sociology or lesbian dance theory.
Hot-Air From MBA Blowhards

I challenge these fake-Conservative businessmen to force the colleges to offer degrees comprising job-related courses only.

From another perspective, those courses are a jobs-program for escapist nerds who teach useless subjects. These academic dorks are also incompetent in those courses, which are just childish mind-candy for them. For amusement, I've studied some of those useless professions like etymology and can see how shallow and narrow-minded the self-appointed experts are in them. Intellectuals have as little to do with being intelligent as sportswriters have to do with being athletic.
 
Oh, Americans WILL do farm work. They just wont do it for peanuts, like illegal aliens would. A farm owner would have to pay real (and mostly LEGAL) wages to get pickers out there.

Come to think of it, the PRISONS could easily supply farmers with minimum wage paid farm labor. Make those scumbags pay back their debt to society.

No, I didn't say slave labor. Pay them minimum wage. They can save it up for when they get out.
Actually you are wrong. Farmers in the Central Valley tried to hire local Americans. They advertised and higher then normal rates. Some showed up, lasted only a couple days. Sorry but the work is too hard for us, we just are not desperate enough it seems. Now if the GOP gets its way, we could create a permanent underclass of peasants to do the work, isn't that the plan Trump?
 

Acurite

Council Member
Actually you are wrong. Farmers in the Central Valley tried to hire local Americans. They advertised and higher then normal rates. Some showed up, lasted only a couple days. Sorry but the work is too hard for us, we just are not desperate enough it seems. Now if the GOP gets its way, we could create a permanent underclass of peasants to do the work, isn't that the plan Trump?
Trump says U.S. to 'let your guest workers come in' in appeal to farmers
"For the farmers, OK, it's going to get good. We're going to let your guest workers come in," Trump said.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/trump-says-u-s-let-your-guest-workers-come-appeal-n869841
 

reason10

Governor
Actually you are wrong. Farmers in the Central Valley tried to hire local Americans. They advertised and higher then normal rates.

Pay them more. It's not a matter of the work being too hard. It's a matter of the money.

Some showed up, lasted only a couple days. Sorry but the work is too hard for us, we just are not desperate enough it seems
.

Again, raise the wages and people will show up and stay on the job. It isn't enough money for steady workers NOW.

And here's an original idea: Make WELFARE recipients work in those fields for regular wages are risk losing their benefits. Nothing will make those useless lazy asses grow a work ethic faster.

Now if the GOP gets its way, we could create a permanent underclass of peasants to do the work, isn't that the plan Trump?


Actually, that's the DEMOCRAT plan. Let these animals from all the shithole countries come here, become a permanent underclass, suck up our welfare dollars and illegal vote for Democrats.

Republicans (well, to be frank, CONSERVATIVE Republicans who aren't afraid of pissing off some ass sniffing special interest group) want the underclass to stay on the other side of the wall and let EDUCATED immigrants into the country. We have no problem with LEGAL immigration.

We DO have a problem with importing uneducated lazy non-English speaking idiots who wind up on welfare, commit crimes, bring in drugs, etc.
 

reason10

Governor
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